Do high end user use AMD instead of Intel?

[AtenRa]

Do you really realize how absurd this argument is? First of all a 4790k isnt 400 dollars, much less 1000. In any case, a 4690k is almost as fast for gaming. It will also be faster than 8350 in pretty much every game should you decide to turn down the resolution or settings to get a better framerate. The price difference is only about 100 dollars compared to the 8350. So are you seriously saying someone who spends a thousand to 1300 dollars for graphics cards, a hundred dollars or more for the PSU to drive it, probably 16 or 32 gb of ram, an expensive monitor, etc, etc, ---- 2000 or more for the system, should limit his flexibility to get the best framerate at other (non gpu limited) settings by saving 100.00 on the cpu? This argument is so illogical it makes my head want to explode. One can make a reasonable argument for using AMD cpu in a few low/mid range price classes, but in a high end 1000.00 plus system it is just absurd.

First of all i didnt say that everyone should only buy the FX 8-core because it is cheaper, what i have said is that you dont need a 400 to 1000 dollar CPUs to play at 4K.

Also, for those that believe that 4K gaming is only made for Intel 6-8 Core CPUs, just type FX8350 and 4K on youtube and have a look.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fx8350+4k&page=1

People should come to terms that there is a different world outside AT forums and people are using FX 8-core CPUs for high-end/high resolution gaming.

 

[crashtech]

People should come to terms that there is a different world outside AT forums and people are using FX 8-core CPUs for high-end/high resolution gaming.

The problem is that we aren't giving you the term "high-end" to define. When HEDT systems like X99 with an i7-5960X exist, our definition of the term "high-end" gets re-defined for us whether we like it or not. So while high resolution gaming can happen on an FX8, it can't be considered high-end now by those who know better, despite your tireless protestations to the contrary.

 

[AtenRa]

The problem is that we aren't giving you the term "high-end" to define. When HEDT systems like X99 with an i7-5960X exist, our definition of the term "high-end" gets re-defined for us whether we like it or not. So while high resolution gaming can happen on an FX8, it can't be considered high-end now by those who know better, despite your tireless protestations to the contrary.

High-end gaming and high-end CPUs/platforms are not the same thing. I though it was clear already.

 

[ShintaiDK]

High-end gaming and high-end CPUs/platforms are not the same thing. I though it was clear already.

Even AMD uses Intel for highend gaming. And FX certainly isnt a highend CPU and never was.

 

[AtenRa]

Even AMD uses Intel for highend gaming. And FX certainly isnt a highend CPU and never was.

Hell, are you trolling or what ???

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Even AMD prefers Intel CPUs

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Even the company making them wont use them.

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Even AMD dont use the FX crap. The Quantum is a prime example.

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Even AMD dont want to use the FX crap.

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Not to mention the AMD Quantum...with an Intel CPU.
when even the company making them wont use them.

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Even AMD uses Intel for highend gaming.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its you trying to defend something even AMD rejects. What does that tell about you? Maybe its time you stoppd and looked on reality for once.

 

[Man I Suck]

Is AtenRa on AMD's payroll? Honest question.

 

[Sweepr]

Is AtenRa on AMD's payroll? Honest question.

I hope he is, nobody sane would spend hours defending inferior products for free.

 

[TeknoBug]

Is AtenRa on AMD's payroll? Honest question.

More like shareholder (is that the same thing as payroll?).

 

[2is]

Hell, are you trolling or what ???

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He isn't wrong though, is he.

 

[DrMrLordX]

As I have explained here on post 19, those minimum fps in Metro Last Light are only occurring once in the entire benchmark run and they dont pose an alarming threat to playability.

You can see below the lowest minimum fps of 13,32 was recorded on frame 8, but in the rest of the game fps are almost always above 30.

. . . which is no comfort at all to someone who requires a minimum of 60 fps. Again, in some titles (for whatever reason), that might not be possible with current hardware, but I'm thinking a lot of the 4k limitation we see in those benchmarks is related to frame buffer size. You probably wouldn't see that on TitanX SLI. 980TIs, 390Xs and/or 980s with larger VRAM sizes (8 Gb) might also work a lot better at 4k than you think.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

He isn't wrong though, is he.

100% agree..... It's pathetic actually. Almost everyone here knows that 4k gaming is heavily weighted towards GPU power, not CPU power.

 

[AtenRa]

. . . which is no comfort at all to someone who requires a minimum of 60 fps. Again, in some titles (for whatever reason), that might not be possible with current hardware, but I'm thinking a lot of the 4k limitation we see in those benchmarks is related to frame buffer size. You probably wouldn't see that on TitanX SLI. 980TIs, 390Xs and/or 980s with larger VRAM sizes (8 Gb) might also work a lot better at 4k than you think.

Well everyone knows that you cant have 4K AND minimum fps hovering at 60frames, unless you play older non IQ demanding games or you lower IQ significantly.

Also for the Metro benchmark just to point out that it seams that no matter what hardware combination you through at it it will always register a low fps even with SLI GTX980Ti (6GB) or CrossFire R9 390X(8GB).
I believe it has to do with the Metro benchmark itself and you will not experience anything like that playing the game. You can see from the graph bellow that even those two latest GPUs with 6 and 8 GB of memory also have low fps. Im sure you will not have that low fps playing the game at 4K with any of those GPUs in SLI/CF.

http://www.tweaktown.com/tweakipedia/91/amd-radeon-r9-390x-crossfire-4k/index.html

 

[BSim500]

Is AtenRa on AMD's payroll? Honest question.

He's actually an AMD reseller based in Greece who regularly advertises on the Oktabit forums (with whom he is partnered).

 

[AtenRa]

He's actually a Hardware reseller (including AMD) based in Greece who regularly advertises posting on the Oktabit forums (with whom he is partnered).

Fixed that for you.

 

[2is]

A hardware reseller who only sells AMD processors. If you're going to "fix it" then at least fix it honestly.

 

[BSim500]

Fixed that for you.

Just sayin', it's usually good practice / etiquette to disclose if you have "money in the game" and are a salesman whose sales are consistently biased towards one brand to the extent of writing "would sell only AMD" with a little smiley wink after it... What you "officially" make available for sale, and aggressively make a sales pitch for are not the same thing.

 

[AtenRa]

A hardware reseller who only sells AMD processors. If you're going to "fix it" then at least fix it honestly.

So now YOU know exactly what hardware I sell ??? very amusing

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its not hard to go through the Oktabit forum and look at the topics and more importantly, posts and threads by you. And static AMD sales banners in the top. Just because its in greek its not out of reach.

 

[AtenRa]

Just sayin', it's usually good practice / etiquette to disclose if you have "money in the game" and are a salesman whose sales are consistently biased towards one brand to the extent of writing "would sell only AMD" with a little smiley wink after it... What you "officially" make available for sale, and aggressively make a sales pitch for are not the same thing.

Just because i post about AMD more and debate with people that HAVENT USED an FX Bulldozer SKU in their life doesnt mean I only sell AMD CPUs.

And when i made the statement about selling AMD ONLY CPUs up to the 200 euro price it was in 2012 when at that PRICE point, at least in GREEECE, the FX Vishera SKUs were very competitive against Intel offerings.
But even in that era I sold Intel CPUs as well, nothing wrong to promote AMD CPUs when you believe they can compete.

There are other resellers that continuously promoting hard Intel ONLY products because they get hefty rebates at the end of the year, I HAVENT SEEN ANYONE mentioning those things here.

As far as i know AMD doesnt have any rebate policy, at least for Resellers, but Intel does and the vast majority of hardware resellers take advantage of it and only promote INTEL PRODUCTs.

So next time you believe i only sell AMD products think twice and remember who gives rebates and who doesnt.

 

[AtenRa]

Its not hard to go through the Oktabit forum and look at the topics and more importantly, posts and threads by you. And static AMD sales banners in the top. Just because its in greek its not out of reach.

Why dont you actually go to www.oktabit.gr and see what products they distribute ???

Just have a look at how many different Intel SKUs they have in their site and how many AMD SKUs.
You will find they dont even have the latest AMD SKUs like Godavari or the 95W TDP FX8320E and FX8370E.

So please, spare me of your hypothetical scenarios.

 

[BSim500]

Just because i post about AMD more and debate with people that HAVENT USED an FX Bulldozer SKU in their life doesnt mean I only sell AMD CPUs.

Given your ads are publicly posted and in plain sight for all to see, it's pretty obvious looking at advert after advert after advert, repeated by the dozens (if not hundreds).

There are other resellers that continuously promoting hard Intel ONLY products because they get hefty rebates at the end of the year, I HAVENT SEEN ANYONE mentioning those things here.

Are the same salesmen posting on Anandtech (and "forgetting" to mention they're salesmen even when directly asked and 3rd parties have to answer for them)? AFAIK, you're the only salesmen here with "money in the game". It's the difference between personal opinion and obvious occupational vested interests. If you own your own retail store and the bulk of your sales are predominantly AMD stuff (in line with your adverts), just be honest and say so, and drop the fake "I am completely unbiased" act...

 

[2is]

The fact that multiple people suspected AtenRa of having some sort of monetary ties with AMD before confirmation he's a reseller is very telling.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Why dont you actually go to www.oktabit.gr and see what products they distribute ???

Just have a look at how many different Intel SKUs they have in their site and how many AMD SKUs.
You will find they dont even have the latest AMD SKUs like Godavari or the 95W TDP FX8320E and FX8370E.

So please, spare me of your hypothetical scenarios.

Oh spare me the lies.

You even claimed the GTX750/GTX750Ti had terrible performance/watt.
http://forum.oktabit.gr/topic/nvidia-gtx750-gtx750ti-reviews

And that Beema/Mullins is like a 15W Sandy Bridge CPU and nothing but a fantastic product that defeats BayTrail
http://forum.oktabit.gr/topic/amd-beema-mullins-return-jedi

Its one big fat AMD sales pitch after the other. And completely out of touch with reality.

And do we even have to mention your signature or affiliation with apusilicon.com as well?

 

[AtenRa]

Oh spare me the lies.

You even claimed the GTX750/GTX750Ti had terrible performance/watt.
http://forum.oktabit.gr/topic/nvidia-gtx750-gtx750ti-reviews

Let me think, google translation ??? Let me translate this for you,

"Review of the new NVIDIA graphics card with the Maxwell core, Even though its only made with 28nm, it has a tremendous(φοβερ&#942 performance to power consumption perf/watt."

So in this instance the word "φοβερή" is not translated as dreadful but as awesome, formidable etc.

And that Beema/Mullins is like a 15W Sandy Bridge CPU and nothing but a fantastic product that defeats BayTrail
http://forum.oktabit.gr/topic/amd-beema-mullins-return-jedi

It was not ??? Every review in the net including AT shows that Mullins is faster than Baytrail.

Its one big fat AMD sales pitch after the other. And completely out of touch with reality.

Your opinion doesnt mean its always a reality :whiste: