Do high end user use AMD instead of Intel?

[Abwx]

If that's what you think, you haven't read the thread. If you have read the thread, you're blinded by your own brand allegiance. His "occupation" was brought into question by other parties some of whom are actually fairly new to the forum. This was after pages and pages of repeated goal post shifting, excuse making and cherry picking. Again, if you didn't see that, you've either not read the thread, which you really should if you're going to make replies like this, or as I said, you're blinded by similar brand allegiance, in which case, any type of constructive conversation would be an exercise in futility and there's nothing more to say here.

I did read the thread where it was more or less on topic...

Among others i ve seen Cinebench comparisons.

Among other one using AT database that use a 9590 with no one noticing that it s not cloked at its base frequency, quite messy for whom wants to talk high end..

Such flawed results were even used to point AMD as being weak in FP, but a question about this, if Intel latest was that good why doesnt it dominate in FP once it s no more assisted by friendly benches..?.

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-09/amd-fx-8370e-im-test/2/#diagramm-cinebench-r115

What happened..??..

 

[crashtech]

^ Don't see what you mean, there is Sisoft Drhystone in there but not Whetstone, as far as I can see. Maybe you should screenshot the graph you wish to cherrypick, because it all looks so bad for the 8370.

 

[2is]

What's happening is cherry picking. You clearly fall into the "other" option I was referring to, so a constructive conversation is impossible. The fact you have Intel dominance posted through out this 576 and counter that with a single benchmark for a single program. Enjoy your AMD processor. I get that you don't think it's crap even though proof that it is has been plastered all over the place. I won't bother posting it again, you already said you read the thread and still pretended that it doesn't exist. OP saw through the BS, as will anyone else who's not blinded by brand allegiance.

 

[Abwx]

^ Don't see what you mean, there is Sisoft Drhystone in there but not Whetstone, as far as I can see. Maybe you should screenshot the graph you wish to cherrypick, because it all looks so bad for the 8370.

The two FP benches are Povray and CB 11.5, and both are rendering engines, the former is well optimised for all uarches as aknwoledged by the scores...

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-09/amd-fx-8370e-im-test/2/#diagramm-pov-ray

What's happening is cherry picking.

Lol, it s you that are picking, otherwise you wouldnt ask for AMD to equal Intel in ICC compiled Cinebench..

What about a bench optimised with the help of AMD instead and with Intel branded as inferior if it doesnt do better in this bench..?..

At least povray doesnt favour AMD, but hey, it s biaised, it s not crippling them...

Edit : before anyone point that HT doesnt work well with Povray i invite the eventual protester to compare the 4690K with the 3770K, obviously HW FP throughput is maxed even with a i5, a rare occurence if we look at SB and IB comparatively..

 

[2is]

The two FP benches are Povray and CB 11.5, and both are rendering engines, the former is well optimised for all uarches as aknwoledged by the scores...

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-09/amd-fx-8370e-im-test/2/#diagramm-pov-ray



Lol, it s you that are picking, otherwise you wouldnt ask for AMD to equal Intel in ICC compiled Cinebench..

What are you even talking about? Where did I ask for anything related to Cinebench? Ever? You came in here and started this whole cinebench talk. FX is crap, period. I get that you like it and I'm not trying to change your mind.

 

[TeknoBug]

I'm sorry Abwx, all I've seen you do in this thread is point fingers ("argument this" "argument that") and not be very constructive. I stopped participating in this thread much since the thread got derailed by two users going back and forth.

Back around page 2 or 3 Cinebench was stated multiple times that it's Intel biased and should be neglected.

 

[YBS1]

I can't believe this thread is still dragging on. I've had an FX9590 in my cart more times than I can recall before I put together my current X5960. More as a curiosity than anything, I really wanted to build one for kicks and giggles, plus I've not put an AMD system together for personal use in years. I just wanted one, that simple. Now I had no illusions it could best my 3930K at anything, but I wouldn't expect it to. The real issue that stopped me every time from clicking the buy button wasn't that it couldn't compete with the 3930K, it was that I couldn't even think of anything it could best my circa 2009 X58/5670 combo at....that's the the sad truth about the state of high end desktop performance in 2015. AMD can't even really compete with Intel's five year old HEDT platform.

 

[AtenRa]

I simply asked about a correlation between the inferior product that AtenRa is defending to a fault in an effort to understand why AtenRa is hell bent on failing to defend a product in the face of facts that contradict his argument.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37490180&postcount=317

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37491357&postcount=332

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37491832&postcount=364

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37492659&postcount=385

and

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37492706&postcount=389

I have made a point that High-End users are using AMD FX 8-core CPUs for High-Resolution Gaming. I have presented numerous slides and review links to present and backup my claims. But, nobody and I repeat nobody have posted higher than 1080p slides expect me. And when i posted those slides to backup my claims that AMD FX CPUs can be used by High-End USERs for High-End/High Resolution Gaming, people started the off topic, thread crapping and personal attacks.
Get your facts straight and learn that just because somebody has a different idea or opinion than you or anyone else here, doesnt mean he/she is on a payroll by AMD, Intel, NVIDA etc etc. Especially when he has the means and provides the necessary links to prove his claims.

Other people have already posted plenty of links with appropriate data. This argument was done a long time ago.

Only me posted higher than 1080p benchmark links, everyone else were trying to counter my High-Resolution Gaming claims by forcing the performance at 1080p which I and the vast majority of users TODAY dont accept as High-End Gaming anymore unless we are talking about 1080p 120-144Hz.

Why dont you post links of 4K and/or 3x 5x Eyefinity benchmarks to backup your claim of me defending an inferior product to a fault ???

At the end, the funny think is that nobody provided evidence to counter my claims of High-Resolution Gaming with AMD FX CPUs and yet im the one in question

 

[DrMrLordX]

Lol....

While we re on the "high end" disussion you can always buy some X99 dedicated CPU and enjoy "high end" instability, in this case you can talk of failed product, and at a ridiculous price tag...

That is the second time you've made mention of X99 "instability" (that I can recall). What are you going on about?

 

[2is]

That is the second time you've made mention of X99 "instability" (that I can recall). What are you going on about?

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[myocardia]

That is the second time you've made mention of X99 "instability" (that I can recall). What are you going on about?

This is what is commonly known as projection. See here for further info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

 

[TheELF]

I have made a point that High-End users are using AMD FX 8-core CPUs for High-Resolution Gaming. I have presented numerous slides and review links to present and backup my claims. But, nobody and I repeat nobody have posted higher than 1080p slides expect me.

Because it makes no difference at all,if you want to play at 4k you can go triple and even 4 way sli/cross fire,with the biggest cards you can find, until you reach 1080 level fps.
If someone compares cpus he wants to see what the difference between those cpus is,doing graphics benches to compare cpus is just dubious.

 

[TeknoBug]

Steam survey shows 25.53% uses AMD, 74.47% uses Intel, not that many AMD users let alone high-res AMD users.

 

[mrmt]

Because it makes no difference at all,if you want to play at 4k you can go triple and even 4 way sli/cross fire,with the biggest cards you can find, until you reach 1080 level fps.
If someone compares cpus he wants to see what the difference between those cpus is,doing graphics benches to compare cpus is just dubious.

That's why you don't ask your reseller for benchmarks, you go for a review site. Reseller will sell you whatever fits in your needs *and* gives him better margins. This second part makes it hard to be unbiased.

 

[Abwx]

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

One of the SKU has low voltage margin, 9.8% actualy, wich is at the limit of the 10% minimal requirement.


That s not enough to guarantee stability at high loading, this was "solved" by increasing the MBs voltages, wich has been pointed by many users as an error from manufacturers, while it is not...

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/924-6/overclocking.html

 

[Abwx]

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

Lol, check above....

This is what is commonly known as projection. See here for further info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

This apply perfectly to you actualy, no argument and a straw as projection..

 

[2is]

Wait... did you really just call the entire platform unstable and post stability issues of a single processor when over clocked and under volted? If your goal was to prove me right that you don't know what you're talking about, you've succeeded.

 

[Sweepr]

Old and tired Vishera with crappy IPC and high power consumption doesn't belong in a high-end system, so no, real high-end users own a LGA2011 system and have been using Intel for a few years.

 

[AtenRa]

That's why you don't ask your reseller for benchmarks, you go for a review site. Reseller will sell you whatever fits in your needs *and* gives him better margins. This second part makes it hard to be unbiased.

Since you want to go down that rabbit hole, selling a higher priced Core i7 5xxx CPU + Socket 2011-v3 X99 Motherboard + 4x DDR-4 memory dimms + Intel rebates at the end of the year, you gain way higher profit than selling $140 AMD FX CPUs + $100 Socket AM3+ Motherboard + DDR3.

But since not every high-end Gamer has the same budget to by the Intel HEAD platform, there is another alternative for lower budget High-resolution Gamers with AMD CPUs as well (or Intel Socket 1150).

So when your customer wants to play at 4K but doesnt have the budget to acquire a Intel Socket 2011-v3 you can suggest an AMD Socket AM3+ System that will have almost the same performance at lower price given you will have the same graphics cards.

That is why you ask your unbiased reseller that sells BOTH AMD and Intel systems (without only care/promoting the one that gives him the higher profits) what is best for your budget because that is his job, to help you decide in building the best perf/$ for your needs.

 

[2is]

Since you want to go down that rabbit hole, selling a higher priced Core i7 5xxx CPU + Socket 2011-v3 X99 Motherboard + 4x DDR-4 memory dimms + Intel rebates at the end of the year, you gain way higher profit than selling $140 AMD FX CPUs + $100 Socket AM3+ Motherboard + DDR3.

But since not every high-end Gamer has the same budget to by the Intel HEAD platform, there is another alternative for lower budget High-resolution Gamers with AMD CPUs as well (or Intel Socket 1150).

So when your customer wants to play at 4K but doesnt have the budget to acquire a Intel Socket 2011-v3 you can suggest an AMD Socket AM3+ System that will have almost the same performance at lower price given you will have the same graphics cards.

That is why you ask your unbiased reseller that sells BOTH AMD and Intel systems (without only care/promoting the one that gives him the higher profits) what is best for your budget because that is his job, to help you decide in building the best perf/$ for your needs.

You don't need Intel's "head" platform to get a better gaming system than an AMD system. An i3 does the job more often than not as we've clearly established in this thread multiple times already. Then of course there's the i5 and i7 mainstream stuff as well. I know as an AMD fan, it's very convenient for you to pretend you need Intel's very best to beat AMD, but no one is convinced, so why keep embarking on such a futile attempt? Or have you forgotten this is a tech forum? Most of us here are quite familiar with hardware.

 

[AtenRa]

You don't need Intel's "head" platform to get a better gaming system than an AMD system. An i3 does the job more often than not as we've clearly established in this thread multiple times already.

Where exactly was that established for high-resolution Gaming ???

Then of course there's the i5 and i7 mainstream stuff as well. I know as an AMD fan, it's very convenient for you to pretend you need Intel's very best to beat AMD, but no one is convinced, so why keep embarking on such a futile attempt? Or have you forgotten this is a tech forum? Most of us here are quite familiar with hardware.

It is obvious that you dont read what Im saying and you only trying to promote the "Intel for everything" agenda.
I said above we have an alternative with AMD AM3+ and/or Intel socket 1150. But miraculously that evaded you, better read again what i said without the blue glasses.

 

[2is]

Where exactly was that established for high-resolution Gaming ???



It is obvious that you dont read what Im saying and you only trying to promote the "Intel for everything" agenda.
I said above we have an alternative with AMD AM3+ and/or Intel socket 1150. But miraculously that evaded you, better read again what i said without the blue glasses.

It's obvious you have no intention of providing anyone with accurate information. You maintain that the performance is roughly equal by way of making another component in the PC a bottleneck. We all know how you operate, so again, who are you trying to convince? Your AMD enthusiasm has gone to the point where you're now having to defend your occupation. I assure you AMD is not going to return the favor you're doing them by repeatedly discrediting yourself.

 

[AtenRa]

It's obvious you have no intention of providing anyone with accurate information. You maintain that the performance is roughly equal by way of making another component in the PC a bottleneck.

You know it is not my fault that we are GPU limited at 4K TODAY. Im not making the GPUs, im only selling them. So when someone wants to play at 4K he will be GPU limited, like it or not thats the truth.

We all know how you operate, so again, who are you trying to convince? Your AMD enthusiasm has gone to the point where you're now having to defend your occupation. I assure you AMD is not going to return the favor you're doing them by repeatedly discrediting yourself.

So the moment you dont have something to counter my (proven by reviews) claims you resort to thread crap, personal attacks and insults ???

Again, we have more than Intel alternatives for High-Resolution Gaming at lower prices. Like it or not that's a fact, live with it.

 

[Abwx]

Wait... did you really just call the entire platform unstable and post stability issues of a single processor when over clocked and under volted? If your goal was to prove me right that you don't know what you're talking about, you've succeeded.

Undervolting is not to chek how much power you could save but to check the voltage margin implemented by the manufacturers..

For the record the 4790K is also quite mediocre in this respect, good configurations are up to the 8370 for AMD and the 4770 for Intel, all the rest are experimental builds that certainly suit the enthusiast but not the professional.

 

[Man I Suck]

Because it makes no difference at all,if you want to play at 4k you can go triple and even 4 way sli/cross fire,with the biggest cards you can find, until you reach 1080 level fps.
If someone compares cpus he wants to see what the difference between those cpus is,doing graphics benches to compare cpus is just dubious.

Yeah, we all get this. Well, all of us except AtenRa.