Do Christians and Muslims believe in the SAME god?

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda




At the same time, there are also important differences between the Christian and Muslim view of God. While Muslims view Allah as possessing the attributes of love, mercy, and grace; Allah does not demonstrate these attributes in the same manner as the Christian God. The most important difference, though, between the Muslim and Christian view of God is the concept of incarnation. Christians believe that God became a human being in the Person of Jesus Christ. Muslims believe this concept to be the ultimate blasphemy. Muslims can never accept the idea that Allah would become a man to die for the sins of the world. A belief in the incarnation of God in the Person of Jesus Christ is absolutely essential to the Christian understanding of God. God became a human being so He could empathize with us, and more importantly, so He could provide salvation, the forgiveness of sins.

Wasn't it the Jews screaming blasphemy that resulted in Jesus being crucified?

umm no. Jesus was viewd as a threat to the Roman way of life so Pontius Pilate being a good Roman and not wanting to even think about a religous revolt or having people look to Jesus as the "King of the Jews" (Ceaser no like that at all), ordred Jesus to be killed.

During the Sanhedrin Trial of Jesus, the high priests and elders asked Jesus, "Are you the Son of God?," and upon his reply of "You say that I am," condemned Jesus for blasphemy (Luke 22:70?71). The high priests then turned him over to the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate, based on an accusation of sedition for claiming to be King of the Jews.[22] While before Pilate, Jesus was questioned "Are you the king of the Jews?" to which he replied, "It is as you say." According to the Gospels, Pilate personally felt that Jesus was not guilty of any crime against the Romans, and since there was a custom at Passover for the Roman governor to free a prisoner (a custom not recorded outside the Gospels), Pilate offered the crowd a choice between Jesus of Nazareth and an insurrectionist named Barabbas. The crowd chose to have Barabbas freed and Jesus crucified. Pilate washed his hands to indicate that he was innocent of the injustice of the decision (Matthew 27:11?26

Jesus

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My God has to be different than your god because my God is better. If my God is not better than your god then I might not be better than you. That is impossible. If I'm not the best then I may be exactly how I really feel. Oh no! Anything but that. Hehe.

People have different concepts of God due to their overarching worldview, and the fact that there are differing views of God has nothing to do with what you are saying. What you are saying here is secondary. Also, the problems of self-righteousness and excessive pride are not limited to the religious.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

And to make this fit into P&N. Could the fact that many people think the same as her influence how we as a country look at Muslims?

I didn't notice this earlier - but ProfJohn, absolutely.

 

[zinfamous]

as far as I know, they are the very same God. Muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet, whereas Jews consider him to be an all-around nice guy...uh, despite how things turned out there...

 

[Crono]

I am a Christian. No, the god of Muslims is not the same God found in the Bible.

 

[fskimospy]

All personal religious views aside, and all theological splits afterwards aside, they all claim to be following the same god, the god of Abraham. That's why they are known as Abrahamic religions.

So, YES.

They all follow the same god. Their interpretations of how he manifests himself/in what orifice you can have sex/who you should kill/who you should pray to in order to avoid hell are significantly different... same dude though.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: magomago
Unlike Christianity which is a "get out of jail free card", Islam works in a different way

Thats what makes Christianity so great. You dont have to "DO" anything, unlike Islam, which teaches you have to do things at certain times and in certain way to please God. Christianity is not about religion, its about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You dont have to do anything to get into Heaven beyond accepting Christ into your heart.

Its a fundemental difference between the two and shows without a doubt why they are in fact NOT the same God. The God of Christianity sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins, not Mohammed.

I think it just shows a different interpretation of the same God

As much as it hurts I am in agreement with Red on this one.
In a historic and literal sense they are the same god, they are just different branches of the same tree.
I didn't ask why she was so adamant that Muslims don't believe in the same god, but I am guessing it is because there is such a huge difference in beliefs.

It is kind of like the "Bush is not my President" stickers... sorry to tell you, but he is your President, as much as you don't like that fact.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Crono
I am a Christian. No, the god of Muslims is not the same God found in the Bible.

Is the Christian "God" in the Bible the same as the Jewish "God" of the Bible?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: sandorski
Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in the same "God". There's nothing to debate about that.

Funny, because millions of Christians would disagree with you. But if you say so, that settles it I guess.

...and every one of them would be wrong in saying so.

 

[Aimster]

Allah is the God of all people.

Anyone who thinks Allah is a Muslim God should stop posting in Islamic threads.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
THE BLIND MEN AND THE ELEPHANT

John Godfrey Saxe's ( 1816-1887) version of the famous Indian legend,

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Very relevant, Moonbeam. 😀

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Crono
I am a Christian. No, the god of Muslims is not the same God found in the Bible.

Is the Christian "God" in the Bible the same as the Jewish "God" of the Bible?

Yes, though the vast majority of Jews reject Christ as the Messiah, and therefore reject the One who sent Christ (the Father). So while they acknowledge the same God we do, many do not know Him the way that the patriarch, prophets, or New Testament believers did/do.

 

[5150Joker]

All three religions are nonsense for the most part. They've become so mired in conflict that they don't know what to believe in anymore.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Crono
I am a Christian. No, the god of Muslims is not the same God found in the Bible.

Is the Christian "God" in the Bible the same as the Jewish "God" of the Bible?

Yes, though the vast majority of Jews reject Christ as the Messiah, and therefore reject the One who sent Christ (the Father). So while they acknowledge the same God we do, many do not know Him the way that the patriarch, prophets, or New Testament believers did/do.

How do you know this?

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: sandorski
Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in the same "God". There's nothing to debate about that.

Funny, because millions of Christians would disagree with you. But if you say so, that settles it I guess.

...and every one of them would be wrong in saying so.

Lol, just cause you read it on t3h wiki or internetz doesnt make it truth.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Crono
I am a Christian. No, the god of Muslims is not the same God found in the Bible.

Is the Christian "God" in the Bible the same as the Jewish "God" of the Bible?

Yes, though the vast majority of Jews reject Christ as the Messiah, and therefore reject the One who sent Christ (the Father). So while they acknowledge the same God we do, many do not know Him the way that the patriarch, prophets, or New Testament believers did/do.

How do you know this?

It seems to me that Crono does not know how to distinguish this argument. The two Gods are indeed one in the same. Muslims hold different interpretations, beliefs for the same god than do Christians. Regardless, both believe in the God of Abraham, (many of the holy sites in Jerusalem are considered holy sites among all 3 religions--Abraham's mountain being the holiest of them all).

So yes, they both believe in, and refer to the very same God. I thought even the fundiest of fundies understood this simple bit of theology.

 

[Moonbeam]

As an island can be reached by many bridges, God can be reached by many religions. The bridges are all different, but the island is the same. Sadly, what the religious worship is the bridge and not God. This is why they argue. Those who arrive at the island no longer care about the bridge. Those on the island are the Lovers, the people of heart.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
All three religions are nonsense for the most part. They've become so mired in conflict that they don't know what to believe in anymore.

Four religions, now please include the Mormons. And probably include the Unibombers' Manifesto, it makes as much sense.

 

[Vic]

Yes, it is the same God, just different interpretations. We're not talking about the god of the wind and the god of the rain here, we're talking about the single omnipotent omniscience Almighty God that created the universe and everything in it. While there can be many interpretations of such a God, there can be only one such God in fact. The sectarians should pay attention to what they're saying. As it is, Jesus and Christianity figure just as much in the Islamic Quran as does Moses and Judaism in the Christian Bible.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: sandorski
Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in the same "God". There's nothing to debate about that.

Funny, because millions of Christians would disagree with you. But if you say so, that settles it I guess.

...and every one of them would be wrong in saying so.

Lol, just cause you read it on t3h wiki or internetz doesnt make it truth.

weak evasion

 

[Ruptga]

My theology prof says Allah is not God, even though Islam and Christianity overlap in a lot of places.

According to him, the god of Islam, Allah, is described and thought about very differently than God, the Christian god. For example, in the Muslim creation account, Allah brings all the animals to Adam and tells him their names. In the Christian creation account, God brings all the animals to Adam and lets Adam name them. It may be a subtle so-what difference, but it implies that Allah is a god that shows you everything then tells you what to do, while God is a god that shows you everything then asks you what you will do. That's important because it's the difference between orders being handed down, and the possibility for two-way communication.

Unfortunately that's the only example he's given so far, and this is my first theology class so I really don't know too much about it myself.

 

[theblackbox]

yes, they are all the same god, they are all siva. siva is the one true god.
jesus, budha, and mohamed were all the avatars of vishnu made as man to spread the word to the rest of the world.
but as far as the name, it doesn't matter. siva is the one true god.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
My theology prof says Allah is not God, even though Islam and Christianity overlap in a lot of places.

According to him, the god of Islam, Allah, is described and thought about very differently than God, the Christian god. For example, in the Muslim creation account, Allah brings all the animals to Adam and tells him their names. In the Christian creation account, God brings all the animals to Adam and lets Adam name them. It may be a subtle so-what difference, but it implies that Allah is a god that shows you everything then tells you what to do, while God is a god that shows you everything then asks you what you will do. That's important because it's the difference between orders being handed down, and the possibility for two-way communication.

Unfortunately that's the only example he's given so far, and this is my first theology class so I really don't know too much about it myself.

Was that same God of two-way communication the one who destroyed the tower of Babel?

 

[theblackbox]

babel was destoyed because the united people were not union, and god was very pro union at the time. had nothing to do with communication 🙂

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Allah is the God of all people.

Anyone who thinks Allah is a Muslim God should stop posting in Islamic threads.

How do you know Allah even exists? (I thought you were Athiest)