Do Christians and Muslims believe in the SAME god?

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Got into a disagreement with a strong Christian lady that I know who swore that Muslims do not believe in the same god as Christians. She agreed that Jews did, but seemed to not think the same for Muslims.

Can someone with a little more knowledge give me the 411 on how this breaks down.

And to make this fit into P&N. Could the fact that many people think the same as her influence how we as a country look at Muslims?

She probably hates Muslims and will come up with all sorts of ignorant BS to support that hate.

Christians don't typically 'hate' anything.
What they believe is that they are right and everyone else is wrong.
Which seems to be her standing on this issue.

The whole topic came from a discussion on whether she would marry someone who thinks she is going to hell. In her view a Muslim would think she is going to hell unless she converted and therefore would not want to marry one.

No, in fact Muslims believe that "God" will reward Christians and Jews. They just think that their Reward will be greater.

 

[johnnobts]

no, we don't believe in the same God, as evidenced by our different theological viewpoints concerning God's nature, the doctrine of creation, the doctrine of salvation, and most noteably the doctrine of Christ (who Jesus is).

-As for the issue of a believer marrying a non-believer, I'm against it. Creates way too many problems, unless one converts, or they both water down their faiths so they are both meaningless. Muslims know their faith is different from Christians and likewise. There are huge differences there. We believe Jesus is God, they don't. I don't see how a professing believer in Christ, who follows him as their Lord in life, can live with someone who does not have the same relationship with Him too.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
no, we don't believe in the same God, as evidenced by our different theological viewpoints concerning God's nature, the doctrine of creation, the doctrine of salvation, and most noteably the doctrine of Christ (who Jesus is).

-As for the issue of a believer marrying a non-believer, I'm against it. Creates way too many problems, unless one converts, or they both water down their faiths so they are both meaningless. Muslims know their faith is different from Christians and likewise. There are huge differences there. We believe Jesus is God, they don't. I don't see how a professing believer in Christ, who follows him as their Lord in life, can live with someone who does not have the same relationship with Him too.

Do you believe in the same "God" as the Jews?

 

[Moonbeam]

It is the exact same God. There is only one God but he has 99 names. He who believes in the God of his Fathers is a member of a religion, not a knower of God. Everybody's father believes in the only one true God. It ought to be obvious that since there are millions of these one true Gods, none of them are the true God at all. He who knows, knows nothing at all, but he who knows nothing has died to himself. God IS only when you are not.

If you know the Truth, you have the reward your ego seeks. Go now and do battle with those who think differently. In this way we keep ourselves (the ego) pumped.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

The whole topic came from a discussion on whether she would marry someone who thinks she is going to hell. In her view a Muslim would think she is going to hell unless she converted and therefore would not want to marry one.

Well then that lady knows nothing about Islam 😛

But of course taking the position that "We are right and everyone else is wrong" shows how much she will bother to learn about anything in general

Unlike Christianity which is a "get out of jail free card", Islam works in a different way

If you are a douche all your life and a muslim...
...Well you got the "Muslim" part to aid you, but being a douche can really tips the scales against you, no matter how easy God makes it for people to get into heaven

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Christians believe that God became a human being in the Person of Jesus Christ. Muslims believe this concept to be the ultimate blasphemy. Muslims can never accept the idea that Allah would become a man to die for the sins of the world. A belief in the incarnation of God in the Person of Jesus Christ is absolutely essential to the Christian understanding of God. God became a human being so He could empathize with us, and more importantly, so He could provide salvation, the forgiveness of sins.

Of course! Why didn't I think of that! An all-powerful, all-knowing god clearly would not be able to do those things without 'becoming a human'! :roll:

First he was a human, then the Messiah story was introduced, and then he was made God... A god with a superior nonetheless, unless they removed the parts where he prayed to God by now to suit their ideas of him.

responses like this are what you get when somebody knows jack about the scriptures...

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It is the exact same God. There is only one God but he has 99 names. He who believes in the God of his Fathers is a member of a religion, not a knower of God. Everybody's father believes in the only one true God. It ought to be obvious that since there are millions of these one true Gods, none of them are the true God at all. He who knows, knows nothing at all, but he who knows nothing has died to himself. God IS only when you are not.

If you know the Truth, you have the reward your ego seeks. Go now and do battle with those who think differently. In this way we keep ourselves (the ego) pumped.

Well, there's just enough truth in that to make it sound good.

First off, either there is a god or not, if god's existence depends on our state of being, he's not really that powerful or godlike is he?

Second, to everyone who said yes to the OP, you are wrong. Ask people from those religions first, they might know a tad more than you. With the rare exception, people who follow a religion think that their religion is right, why else follow it?

I get so sick of people saying that all gods are the same, blah blah blah. No. If there is a god worth following, one that has anything to do with us, he/she/it must be clearly defined. Of course not too well, you don't want to worship someone that you can understand, that is on your level. But if that god wants anything to do with you, that god will make himself known on a level that you can at least partly understand.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It is the exact same God. There is only one God but he has 99 names. He who believes in the God of his Fathers is a member of a religion, not a knower of God. Everybody's father believes in the only one true God. It ought to be obvious that since there are millions of these one true Gods, none of them are the true God at all. He who knows, knows nothing at all, but he who knows nothing has died to himself. God IS only when you are not.

If you know the Truth, you have the reward your ego seeks. Go now and do battle with those who think differently. In this way we keep ourselves (the ego) pumped.

Well, there's just enough truth in that to make it sound good.

First off, either there is a god or not, if god's existence depends on our state of being, he's not really that powerful or godlike is he?

Second, to everyone who said yes to the OP, you are wrong. Ask people from those religions first, they might know a tad more than you. With the rare exception, people who follow a religion think that their religion is right, why else follow it?

I get so sick of people saying that all gods are the same, blah blah blah. No. If there is a god worth following, one that has anything to do with us, he/she/it must be clearly defined. Of course not too well, you don't want to worship someone that you can understand, that is on your level. But if that god wants anything to do with you, that god will make himself known on a level that you can at least partly understand.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in the same "God". There's nothing to debate about that.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Christians believe that God became a human being in the Person of Jesus Christ. Muslims believe this concept to be the ultimate blasphemy. Muslims can never accept the idea that Allah would become a man to die for the sins of the world. A belief in the incarnation of God in the Person of Jesus Christ is absolutely essential to the Christian understanding of God. God became a human being so He could empathize with us, and more importantly, so He could provide salvation, the forgiveness of sins.

Of course! Why didn't I think of that! An all-powerful, all-knowing god clearly would not be able to do those things without 'becoming a human'! :roll:

First he was a human, then the Messiah story was introduced, and then he was made God... A god with a superior nonetheless, unless they removed the parts where he prayed to God by now to suit their ideas of him.

responses like this are what you get when somebody knows jack about the scriptures...

I know enough about the Bible to know a lot was removed/changed/added when they compiled it, to suit the views of the church at that time.
Just like the explanation of words or parts of the gospel are modified once in a while because people don't like what it says. And just like people ignore 90% of it and just pick out the stuff they like.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda




At the same time, there are also important differences between the Christian and Muslim view of God. While Muslims view Allah as possessing the attributes of love, mercy, and grace; Allah does not demonstrate these attributes in the same manner as the Christian God. The most important difference, though, between the Muslim and Christian view of God is the concept of incarnation. Christians believe that God became a human being in the Person of Jesus Christ. Muslims believe this concept to be the ultimate blasphemy. Muslims can never accept the idea that Allah would become a man to die for the sins of the world. A belief in the incarnation of God in the Person of Jesus Christ is absolutely essential to the Christian understanding of God. God became a human being so He could empathize with us, and more importantly, so He could provide salvation, the forgiveness of sins.

Wasn't it the Jews screaming blasphemy that resulted in Jesus being crucified?

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yes, in that they all believe in the god of Abraham. The guy with the beard.

Blasphemer! The One True God has muttonchops!

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in the same "God". There's nothing to debate about that.

Funny, because millions of Christians would disagree with you. But if you say so, that settles it I guess.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: magomago
Unlike Christianity which is a "get out of jail free card", Islam works in a different way

Thats what makes Christianity so great. You dont have to "DO" anything, unlike Islam, which teaches you have to do things at certain times and in certain way to please God. Christianity is not about religion, its about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You dont have to do anything to get into Heaven beyond accepting Christ into your heart.

Its a fundemental difference between the two and shows without a doubt why they are in fact NOT the same God. The God of Christianity sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins, not Mohammed.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: magomago
Unlike Christianity which is a "get out of jail free card", Islam works in a different way

Thats what makes Christianity so great. You dont have to "DO" anything, unlike Islam, which teaches you have to do things at certain times and in certain way to please God. Christianity is not about religion, its about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You dont have to do anything to get into Heaven beyond accepting Christ into your heart.

Its a fundemental difference between the two and shows without a doubt why they are in fact NOT the same God. The God of Christianity sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins, not Mohammed.

I think it just shows a different interpretation of the same God

 

[steppinthrax]

Islam and Christianity are very similar in the fact that they believe in one god. However you won't find many christians who would admit to this. This is considering all the political events that are related to the islamic religion.

 

[engineereeyore]

Considering that most Christians believe in the Trinity, then that is the huge difference. The Trinity requires that Christ and God are one, but this is not a belief held by Muslims. Therefore, the two views on God are different. That's why Judaism and Islam are considered closer, as neither accept the belief of a Trinity.

Feel free to correct anything that may be wrong, but I think these statements are accurate.

 

[Moonbeam]

THE BLIND MEN AND THE ELEPHANT

John Godfrey Saxe's ( 1816-1887) version of the famous Indian legend,

It was six men of Indostan,
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear,
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

The Third approach'd the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," -quoth he- "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee:
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," -quoth he,-
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said- "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," -quoth he,- "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

MORAL,

So, oft in theologic wars
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean;
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!

 

[slatr]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Got into a disagreement with a strong Christian lady that I know who swore that Muslims do not believe in the same god as Christians. She agreed that Jews did, but seemed to not think the same for Muslims.

Can someone with a little more knowledge give me the 411 on how this breaks down.

And to make this fit into P&N. Could the fact that many people think the same as her influence how we as a country look at Muslims?

I thougth so myself.

My coworker told me that at one time they were the same , but that they are now not. 😕

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: flyboy84

Originally posted by: Aimster
yes

Islam is Christianity part 2.
Everyone in the Bible is in the Quran.

Actually I think it is more like this:

Old Testament - Quran - New Testament
(Religion V1.0 V1.1 V1.2)

Did you get your version description wrong?

I think you meant:

Old Testament - New Testament - Quran
(Religion V1.0 V1.1 V1.2)

yes that is correct. the Quran was written from bits and pieces of the old and new testiments and from observations muhommad made while visiting jews.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda




At the same time, there are also important differences between the Christian and Muslim view of God. While Muslims view Allah as possessing the attributes of love, mercy, and grace; Allah does not demonstrate these attributes in the same manner as the Christian God. The most important difference, though, between the Muslim and Christian view of God is the concept of incarnation. Christians believe that God became a human being in the Person of Jesus Christ. Muslims believe this concept to be the ultimate blasphemy. Muslims can never accept the idea that Allah would become a man to die for the sins of the world. A belief in the incarnation of God in the Person of Jesus Christ is absolutely essential to the Christian understanding of God. God became a human being so He could empathize with us, and more importantly, so He could provide salvation, the forgiveness of sins.

Wasn't it the Jews screaming blasphemy that resulted in Jesus being crucified?

umm no. Jesus was viewd as a threat to the Roman way of life so Pontius Pilate being a good Roman and not wanting to even think about a religous revolt or having people look to Jesus as the "King of the Jews" (Ceaser no like that at all), ordred Jesus to be killed.

 

[spittledip]

Someone kinda said this before, but I will elaborate. In a universal way, they are the same God. In a very generalized historical way, they are the same god. In a specific historical way, the Jewish and Christian god are the same, the muslim one is different. In a conceptual way, they are all different gods. When one says that Christians, Jewish, and Muslims are all worshiping the same god, they are wrong- they worship different gods. Even within each religion as a whole one could argue that different gods are being worshipped b/c of the vast conceptual differences.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl


Wasn't it the Jews screaming blasphemy that resulted in Jesus being crucified?

umm no. Jesus was viewd as a threat to the Roman way of life so Pontius Pilate being a good Roman and not wanting to even think about a religous revolt or having people look to Jesus as the "King of the Jews" (Ceaser no like that at all), ordred Jesus to be killed.

Actually, it was all of the above. He was a threat to Caesar (not really, but it was viewed that way), but he was much more of a threat to the Jewish leaders. His teachings undermined much of what they stood for and he was becoming more popular, so they would have had lost all their power had the people started following Jesus.

 

[Moonbeam]

My God has to be different than your god because my God is better. If my God is not better than your god then I might not be better than you. That is impossible. If I'm not the best then I may be exactly how I really feel. Oh no! Anything but that. Hehe.

 

[piasabird]

Muslim extremists dont need a reason to kill. Looked on the internet today and again the Sheite Pilgrims are being targeted by the Sunni's. Even branches of the same muslim religion are trying to kill each other. These people just use religion as an excuse to kill other people. It is all about control and power. It has nothing to do with religion.

 

[Atrail]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Muslim extremists dont need a reason to kill. Looked on the internet today and again the Sheite Pilgrims are being targeted by the Sunni's. Even branches of the same muslim religion are trying to kill each other. These people just use religion as an excuse to kill other people. It is all about control and power. It has nothing to do with religion.

true dat