Disorders that aren't disorders

[Mixolydian]

Bullshit. Some diseases are real with an identifiable, physical cause.

And ADD is one of those conditions. The cause just hasn't been identified yet.

ADD used to be a kid thing, but in the recent past an explosion of "adult ADD" advertisements swept the scene, taking advantage of adults with stressful lives and making them think it was caused by a disorder.

Because back when it used to be a "kid thing", not much was known about it. There has been considerable research done in the last 30 years, believe it or not.

These people aren't disordered, they just have stressful lives as they try to make it in a fast paced, high demand world which they simply aren't cut out for.
If you were to increase the demands on the public by two fold, you would have millions more people who suddenly wouldn't be able to cope, and the drug industry would come out with a cure for them, guaranteed. After all, if they aren't happy and living a good life, something must be wrong with them.

This is just hilarious. You obviously have no clue what ADHD is.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I always thought restless leg syndrome sounded a little like BS.

"Oh no my legs won't stop moving! Whatever will I do"!

My legs twitch sometimes as I'm falling asleep.

I suppose if somebody had some kind of degenerative nerve thing, or they worked out a lot and had poor nutrition, or maybe had a back injury that had caused some nerve damage, it might be problematic enough to cause trouble sleeping.

 

[Ns1]

I always thought restless leg syndrome sounded a little like BS.

"Oh no my legs won't stop moving! Whatever will I do"!

I feel the same way about people with COPD. Just shut the fuck up and breathe you entitled fucks.

 

[MongGrel]

Nobody cares what disorder you have.

 

[destrekor]

This thread reminds me why I need to broaden my scope of things I refuse to debate with people.

I have successfully managed to avoid getting dragged into Sandyhook truther discussions. Damn, every time I see some idiot on facebook bring something up about that, I lose a little hope for humanity. And that's dangerous, because my Hope For Humanity meter is already causing my imaginary HUD to present a nagging warning that I must soon find somewhere to refill my Hope. I've been, apparently, burning through that like mad.

 

[child of wonder]

Bullshit. Some diseases are real with an identifiable, physical cause. Others, like ADD, are mostly disease mongering for profit. ADD used to be a kid thing, but in the recent past an explosion of "adult ADD" advertisements swept the scene, taking advantage of adults with stressful lives and making them think it was caused by a disorder. These people aren't disordered, they just have stressful lives as they try to make it in a fast paced, high demand world which they simply aren't cut out for.
If you were to increase the demands on the public by two fold, you would have millions more people who suddenly wouldn't be able to cope, and the drug industry would come out with a cure for them, guaranteed. After all, if they aren't happy and living a good life, something must be wrong with them.

Odd. When my son takes his ADHD medication, it calms him down and makes him think about what he's doing.

If I take one, I become a hyperactive speed freak.

Clearly this different reaction to the same drug means there is absolutely no physical difference between how his brain handles the medication and mine.

ADDs is tha fakes!!!!!!!11one

 

[Ns1]

If I take one, I become a hyperactive speed freak.

doper

 

[Mixolydian]

This thread reminds me why I need to broaden my scope of things I refuse to debate with people.

It seems there is a lot of truth to the saying, "You can't fix stupid."

 

[akugami]

affluenza

Seriously, this shit boils your blood.

 

[moonbogg]

just because some of them full of shit doesn't mean all of them are.

Jesus Christ, did I say all of them are? If a doctor says you have ADD and you don't, then you god damn don't have the "disease". There is a good chance that ADD is not caused by anything. Its a collection of behavioral traits that don't fit well with our busy-as-fuck western world.
If you take an adult who is suffering from "Adult ADD" out of their stressful life and put them in a situation where they don't have to go to war every day just to keep a roof over their head, their fucking "ADD" would disappear. They are stressed and under tremendous pressure just to survive. If they had simple lives, or privileged lives, their inability to perform like a xeon work station would not have such a dire impact on their lives. This shit is conditional, big business takes advantage of it and profits hard.

 

[Mixolydian]

Jesus Christ, did I say all of them are? If a doctor says you have ADD and you don't, then you god damn don't have the "disease". There is a good chance that ADD is not caused by anything. Its a collection of behavioral traits that don't fit well with our busy-as-fuck western world.
If you take an adult who is suffering from "Adult ADD" out of their stressful life and put them in a situation where they don't have to go to war every day just to keep a roof over their head, their fucking "ADD" would disappear. They are stressed and under tremendous pressure just to survive. If they had simple lives, or privileged lives, their inability to perform like a xeon work station would not have such a dire impact on their lives. This shit is conditional, big business takes advantage of it and profits hard.

No, it is NOT conditional.

 

[Ns1]

Jesus Christ, did I say all of them are? If a doctor says you have ADD and you don't, then you god damn don't have the "disease". There is a good chance that ADD is not caused by anything. Its a collection of behavioral traits that don't fit well with our busy-as-fuck western world.
If you take an adult who is suffering from "Adult ADD" out of their stressful life and put them in a situation where they don't have to go to war every day just to keep a roof over their head, their fucking "ADD" would disappear. They are stressed and under tremendous pressure just to survive. If they had simple lives, or privileged lives, their inability to perform like a xeon work station would not have such a dire impact on their lives. This shit is conditional, big business takes advantage of it and profits hard.

which is exactly why there are so many children with ADD, they got soooo much stress on their plate.

</sarcasm>

someone kick your dog this morning?

 

[Kadarin]

I had an interesting conversation with my g/f a couple of weeks back about disorders. Her daughter has a friend who isn't too bright, and she claimed that he has a "learning disorder". I asked what she meant, and her answer was that he tended to pick things up more slowly in school and had trouble figuring things out.

"So.. He's not very smart?" "No, he has a learning disorder."

Facepalm.

Calling lack of intelligence a "learning disorder" doesn't change the fact that not everyone has a high IQ.

 

[BoberFett]

It seems there is a lot of truth to the saying, "You can't fix stupid."

Apparently with Ritalin we can...





:sneaky:

 

[DrPizza]

Yes, there's ADHD. I've seen it.

But, what's really funny about the vast majority of people diagnosed with it, it seems that the only time there are any "symptoms" is when the person is doing something they don't want to do. "I don't want to pay attention in math class. It's boring." That's not ADHD; that's normal. In those cases, it's a lack of personal discipline - they blame not paying attention on a disorder.

It's amusing when an ADHD kid stays home from school for the day, because "Grand Theft Auto 5 was just released!" They come back the next day and, "it was awesome! I played it for 16 hours straight and beat the game. I didn't even stop to eat." ADHD? Uh huh.

Now, I've seen ADHD when I coached soccer. Kid dribbling the ball down the field. On about the 4th kick, "butterfly!" and off he went in a different direction. He didn't catch the butterfly, because before he caught up to it, "flower!" He liked playing soccer, but was genuinely distracted very easily from the game.

 

[moonbogg]

Odd. When my son takes his ADHD medication, it calms him down and makes him think about what he's doing.

If I take one, I become a hyperactive speed freak.

Clearly this different reaction to the same drug means there is absolutely no physical difference between how his brain handles the medication and mine.

ADDs is tha fakes!!!!!!!11one

Those meds are addictive (not an accident). They might lead to addiction and much bigger problems down the road than a simple attention deficit.

 

[Mixolydian]

Yes, there's ADHD. I've seen it.

But, what's really funny about the vast majority of people diagnosed with it, it seems that the only time there are any "symptoms" is when the person is doing something they don't want to do. "I don't want to pay attention in math class. It's boring." That's not ADHD; that's normal. In those cases, it's a lack of personal discipline - they blame not paying attention on a disorder.

It's amusing when an ADHD kid stays home from school for the day, because "Grand Theft Auto 5 was just released!" They come back the next day and, "it was awesome! I played it for 16 hours straight and beat the game. I didn't even stop to eat." ADHD? Uh huh.

Now, I've seen ADHD when I coached soccer. Kid dribbling the ball down the field. On about the 4th kick, "butterfly!" and off he went in a different direction. He didn't catch the butterfly, because before he caught up to it, "flower!" He liked playing soccer, but was genuinely distracted very easily from the game.

Good example. ADHD also makes it hard to do things you *WANT* to do, not just the things you *HAVE* to do.

 

[Mixolydian]

Those meds are addictive (not an accident). They might lead to addiction and much bigger problems down the road than a simple attention deficit.

A significant portion of people with untreated ADHD end up self-medicating themselves and develop substance abuse issues. So which is better?

 

[moonbogg]

which is exactly why there are so many children with ADD, they got soooo much stress on their plate.

</sarcasm>

someone kick your dog this morning?

The kids are fine. Its the expectations placed on them, and the environment they are forced into that create the stress situation.

Yes, there's ADHD. I've seen it.

But, what's really funny about the vast majority of people diagnosed with it, it seems that the only time there are any "symptoms" is when the person is doing something they don't want to do. "I don't want to pay attention in math class. It's boring." That's not ADHD; that's normal. In those cases, it's a lack of personal discipline - they blame not paying attention on a disorder.

It's amusing when an ADHD kid stays home from school for the day, because "Grand Theft Auto 5 was just released!" They come back the next day and, "it was awesome! I played it for 16 hours straight and beat the game. I didn't even stop to eat." ADHD? Uh huh.

Now, I've seen ADHD when I coached soccer. Kid dribbling the ball down the field. On about the 4th kick, "butterfly!" and off he went in a different direction. He didn't catch the butterfly, because before he caught up to it, "flower!" He liked playing soccer, but was genuinely distracted very easily from the game.

LOL. Truth has been spoken here. Funny as well.

 

[pete6032]

Walked into this thread looking for a train wreck. Did not disappoint.

 

[moonbogg]

A significant portion of people with untreated ADHD end up self-medicating themselves and develop substance abuse issues. So which is better?

You are absolutely correct. People with "ADD" personality types are notoriously prone to addiction. By introducing them to meth at age 5, you give them one hell of a good start toward addiction at an early age. If they are going down that road, they will end up there either way, but giving them meth at an early age and calling it medicine is a bad idea.
You make them think that they are broken and that they need the hard drugs to be normal. They just might stick to hard drugs to be normal for a long time. Bad conditioning.

 

[Mixolydian]

By introducing them to meth at age 5, you give them one hell of a good start toward addiction at an early age.

False.

If they are going down that road, they will end up there either way

False.

but giving them meth at an early age and calling it medicine is a bad idea.

False.

You make them think that they are broken and that they need the hard drugs to be normal.

They turn to hard drugs when *they* think they're broken and aren't sure what to do.

 

[moonbogg]

False.


False.


False.


They turn to hard drugs when *they* think they're broken and aren't sure what to do.

How can we, as parents, support anti drug propaganda in schools and at the same time feed our kids METH from a fucking pez dispenser? You people are crazy giving your kids that shit. "Just break it up in his yogurt. That way he won't know". Sound familiar, parents?
Also, how do you handle this if you are religious? "Sorry son, God has a plan for most kids, but he fucked you up. Here, have a Ritalin"

 

[Mixolydian]

How can we, as parents, support anti drug propaganda in schools and at the same time feed our kids METH from a fucking pez dispenser? You people are crazy giving your kids that shit.

Because it works. Because the dose is low - nowhere near what a person would use recreationally. Because the patient's health is monitored while taking it. Because advancements in drug technology have made it much harder to abuse.

The list goes on and on.

 

[Ns1]

How can we, as parents, support anti drug propaganda in schools

obvious answer is you don't because that shit (anti drug PROPAGANDA) doesn't work.