Rant Disgusting!

[MrSquished]

One common theme I have noticed among conservatives is a complete lack of empathy, and the ability to show (or only feign) empathy only for people who look like them/they relate to.

They consume media that dehumanizes "others" so often, that they cannot form any empathy whatsoever for those "others."

The OP's issue here is he does not relate to the people here who suffered because he's been propagandized into seeing them as less than human. Less than himself. Compensating them for pain and suffering resulting from inhuman and illegal abuse is as absurd to him as compensating a cow for how they are treated at a slaughterhouse.

The way around this would be to ask them what they would expect if the same thing happened to them.

OP, what would you want if your kids were separated from you by brute force, suffered under severe inhumane conditions FOR YEARS (and maybe even died)?

What would be just compensation for YEARS of separation from, and inhumane abuse of YOUR CHILDREN?

Exactly. At their core they are shitty people. This is why we need to explore a national divorce

 

[K1052]

This is why we need to explore a national divorce

Just lemme trundle back to California first.

 

[pauldun170]

Here is "information"
Starting from what\who is driving the case

The ACLU won a nationwide injunction in June 2018 blocking family separations. The lawsuit covers separations happening between 2017 to present. During that time:

• Thousands of children, including babies and toddlers, were ripped from their parents’ arms with little or no warning. No explanations were given as to why they were being separated.
• No answers were provided as to where the children were taken. No information was given to either the children or parents about each other’s whereabouts.
• Children were sent to facilities hundreds or thousands of miles away from their parents. The separated families were not told when — or even if — they would ever see each other again. Many children and parents did not see each other again for a year or more.
• The separated children, after being taken from their parents, were detained in punitive conditions, which included going without communication with their parents for weeks or months. During this period, parents had no idea how their children were being cared for, or by whom.
• Several parents attempted suicide, and some tragically occurred. Traumatized children were not provided any meaningful treatment to address the suffering they experienced or the lasting effects of their separation and confinement.
• During the separations, the Trump administration further ignored the law and their duty to care for separated families — failing to take even the most basic steps to protect children, maintain information on family units, or mitigate the families’ suffering while in government custody.
• The administration’s care and tracking for the separated children was so deficient that when a federal court finally ordered the government to reunify families, government officials were unable to identify which child belonged to which parent.

Some additional details about cases

Ms. L v. ICE | American Civil Liberties Union

SETTLEMENT UPDATE: Sept. 26, 2024: Attorneys Fees Settlement Agreement: https://www.aclu.org/documents/ms-l-attorneys-fees-settlement-agreement Attorneys Fees Class Notice (English): https://www.aclu.org/documents/ms-l-attorneys-fees-class-notice-english Aviso de clase de La Resolución de...

www.aclu.org

That is why, beyond any additional assistance the Biden administration can give us to find the still-missing families, it must do four things.

First, it must permit deported families to reunite in the United States. Many mistakenly assume that only the missing 400-plus remain separated. But the Trump administration deported hundreds of other parents without their children (often telling the parent that their child would meet them on the plane only to have the plane take off without the child). We have found many of these still-separated families, but the Trump administration gave them only two brutal choices: remain separated from their children or bring their children back to the very danger they fled in the first place. The Biden administration has the power to immediately “parole” these families into the United States, allowing them to reunite in safety here.

Second, the Biden administration must use its executive power to protect these families from deportation once reunited in the U.S. The Trump administration placed many of them in deportation proceedings, but given what these families have endured, it would be unconscionable to now deport them. And once their deportations are deferred, the Biden administration must explore all available means to confer permanent legal status. Importantly, this will also help us locate the missing parents, because families will be more willing to come forward if they know they will be safe.

Third, the Biden task force must provide damages and also create a fund to provide basic necessities, including trauma-informed care for both the children and parents. Without this help, these families stand little chance. As the American Academy of Pediatrics has concluded, the Trump administration engaged in “child abuse” that has caused lasting trauma. Physicians for Human Rights has gone further and called it torture.

Finally, the task force must ensure there are no more family separations so we do not repeat this tragedy.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/family-separation-two-years-after-ms-l/

Immigrants’ Rights Advocates Head Back to Court Over Title 42 Expulsions | American Civil Liberties Union

WASHINGTON — Groups that sued the Trump administration over Title 42 expulsions of asylum seekers are heading back to court after hitting an impasse...

www.aclu.org

 

[KMFJD]

Family Members Separated at Border May Each Get Up to $450,000 (Published 2021)

After the Trump administration separated migrant parents from children at the southern border, President Biden pledged to make it up to the families.

www.nytimes.com

better article than op but @pauldun170 has it covered already with better sources

 

[pauldun170]

Bits and pieces from Washington Post coverage but key items

The argument for compensation
The U.S. government took more than 3,000 children away from their parents along the Mexican border in May and June 2018, the peak of Trump’s Zero Tolerance prosecution effort. Department of Homeland Security officials say the total number taken while Trump was in office exceeds 5,500.

In most cases, the children were separated from their parents by border agents and sent to government shelters, while their mothers and fathers were jailed to face prosecution for entering the country illegally.

Harm was deliberately inflicted by our government and elements of Trump's effort were harmful by design.

Lawyers for migrant families have been meeting with the U.S. government for months as part of “a nationwide effort” to settle federal lawsuits and administrative tort claims over the separations, federal court records show.

Separate from the ACLU lawsuit, attorneys and advocates had filed other claims over the separations even before Biden took office. Those cases were often handled individually or in small groups by pro bono attorneys and filed under the Federal Tort Claims Act.

But the Biden administration began considering a standardized way to handle the lawsuits, offering families compensation depending on trauma the parents and children suffered while in U.S. government custody.

People close to the settlement agreement say that $450,000 may end up being roughly the average compensation, but that the number will vary. Some parents may not receive any compensation at all, depending on any criminal charges against them. Others still have not filed tort claims.

edit

Roughly 1,000 parents remain separated from their children

 

[woolfe9998]

Regardless if you think this (if true) is justified or not.

If they make these reparation payments at the rate posted in the OP, I think that it will not go over too well with the American public. With the elections approaching and the other issues such as inflation, the ports backing up, gasoline prices, Shortages at the supermarkets... on and on. The Democrats will probably pay a price on election day if they don't reverse course on some of these issues.

According to various articles, these are lawsuit settlements, not reparations. The government is being sued.

 

[brycejones]

According to various articles, these are lawsuit settlements, not reparations. The government is being sued.

Using the term reparations let @pcgeek11 feel better about wanting to shit on refugees. It makes it sound like that somehow they don't deserve to be compensated for the harms inflicted on them by the government. He used a conservative trigger word for a reason in his response.

 

[pauldun170]

Using the term reparations let @pcgeek11 feel better about wanting to shit on refugees. It makes it sound like that somehow they don't deserve to be compensated for the harms inflicted on them by the government. He used a conservative trigger word for a reason in his response.

Multiple techniques were used.

One, loaded language like you mentioned. Easy to spot.
Next up was the line about elections which is another talking point that is being pushed out to influence the vernacular of webz.

"Do not do the thing because it will have an impact on 2022 election season"

Got to see if someone has started cataloging all the houses that generate this crap for quick reference.

 

[hal2kilo]

American citizen = $1400 stimy check
Illegal Alien = $450,000 check

Sweet deal...eh!

Sucks not being born poor and destitute.

 

[Viper1j]

He’s probably rarely traveled outside his own city and most definitely never been to another country.

He’s probably never traveled outside his own city block and most definitely never been to another county.

Fixed that for you.

You're welcome.

 

[KMFJD]

You want to stop illegal immigration? Here's some handy steps

1. stay the f&^k out of other countries business , stop funding death squads in central america and stop supporting coups and illegal take over of countries resources by american companies
2. lift your illegal embargoes
3. (this is a big one) fine the living f&^k out of any business caught employing illegal immigrants


but you will not do that because it might affect your corporate overlords bottom line

 

[woolfe9998]

Using the term reparations let @pcgeek11 feel better about wanting to shit on refugees. It makes it sound like that somehow they don't deserve to be compensated for the harms inflicted on them by the government. He used a conservative trigger word for a reason in his response.

Of course. That's why I pointed out the distinction. Also, OP didn't mention these were actual lawsuits either. Since these are lawsuits and there is actual injury, the government will have to pay something. It's only a question of how much.

 

[soulcougher73]

Treating legal asylum seekers like garbage is one way to never get there vote. I feel the Dem should push this message that this is what the GOP does. Vote D once you get your citizenship.

 

[dank69]

Treating legal asylum seekers like garbage is one way to never get there vote. I feel the Dem should push this message that this is what the GOP does. Vote D once you get your citizenship.

They already tend to vote D. That's why Republicans fight tooth and nail to limit immigration. Of course they frame this all as "Democrats importing votes or buying votes" and the ignorant lap it up as usual.

 

[dawp]

it was pretty disgusting what the trump admin did to them.

seems the op has left the building

 

[pauldun170]

It's like WSJ wrote the article specifically to give outlets the appearance of legitimacy before dumping misleadingly talking points on to political entertainment shows.

 

[nickqt]

The same people incensed over families that were separated getting money are perfectly fucking A-OK with homeless veterans for every other day of their disgusting, miserable lives.

OP is a scumfuck.

 

[13Gigatons]

The same people incensed over families that were separated getting money are perfectly fucking A-OK with homeless veterans for every other day of their disgusting, miserable lives.

OP is a scumfuck.

You guys can't actually debate the issue so you just start with the personal attacks.

I'm glad your comfortable with the payouts since you will paying for it one way or another, it is taxpayer money. The amounts are just to large.

There should be NO homeless veterans....it's really terrible advertisement for military service!!!!!

 

[IronWing]

You guys can't actually debate the issue so you just start with the personal attacks.

Post about an issue instead of regurgitating propaganda from dumpster websites.

 

[pauldun170]

You guys can't actually debate the issue so you just start with the personal attacks.

I'm glad your comfortable with the payouts since you will paying for it one way or another, it is taxpayer money. The amounts are just to large.

There should be NO homeless veterans....it's really terrible advertisement for military service!!!!!

You started a political thread in the wrong forum. (which resulted in a mod stepping in)
You started a thread with a topic you did not take the time to understand.
You continued to post in a thread without putting any effort into understand the topic.

What support of debate was supposed to occur?
On the subject matter that you willingly remained ignorant about?
On the false scenarios that you attempted to talk about?
Do you now want to talk about Veterans issues?

If you want to debate something pick a direction and stick with it.
Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously if you want to debate something that does not match reality or if you refuse to actually debate the source topic.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Nobody who entered this country illegally should be rewarded by the tax payers.

 

[IronWing]

Nobody who entered this country illegally should be rewarded by the tax payers.

Okay. Your statement has nothing to do with the issue being discussed but, okay.

 

[Ajay]

You know something is wrong when it's better to be illegal than a hard working born in country person....

National Debt = 29 Trillion!!!

So, since you brought it up. How do you feel about increasing taxes on wealthy companies and individuals so we can actually start paying for all the other stuff. I don't agree with the amounts suggested, if true, but it's still a rounding error in the face of THAT ENORMOUS DEBT!

 

[raildogg]

The oligarchs can simply print another couple of trillion and give free handouts. Buying favors, buying votes and buying complacency. Utterly pathetic.

 

[raildogg]

Yes, it’s amazing to try to move to a different country for a better life and instead get separated from your kids for months or years. Fuck, how dumb can you be? Also dumb enough to not post in the right forum apparently.

Uh huh, let's not enforce borders rules so your favorite little political party can win?

Why not remove the border entirely and let 1 billion people in? Where is the limit?