Discussion about ABT

[Will Robinson]

Since when does AMD or any fan of theirs here have to prove they are innocent?
Try proving there are "focus teams" and individuals here working on AMD's behalf.
In other words Put up or Shut up.

 

[SirPauly]

I also thought that they were too inept to do it until apoppin told me that he was contacted by an AMD "Focus Group"/Viral Marketing agent back in 2009.

That's interesting -- didn't know this.

 

[Arkadrel]

@SirPauly

do you believe that? Because at this point, Im not sure Id believe anything appopin says. I wouldnt put it past him to make up things, in his *hunt* for shrills

 

[Jionix]

Do you guys honestly believe that amd cut 10% of it's workforce but kept viral marketers?Seems a little ridiculous to me.appopin did the same thing to nvidia,he threatened to expose viral marketing and nvidia showered him with gifts and now he's trying to do it to amd.I don't believe in double talk or dancing around the subject so if he has something to say just say it

Not to say there is or isn't any viral marketers here, but considering the fact that providing video cards to a dozen (?) people wouldn't be but a tiny speck of sand in terms of AMD's budget.. They would probably still be around. It literally costs AMD nothing for potentionally a lot.

 

[Creig]

Well, if we're just going to take people's word then this should absolve ATI/AMD.

Hi Chris,

I had a question that's a tad touchy. It seems that your competitor was caught with there hands in a cookie jar when it comes to giving well respected members of online communities hardware (secretly might I add) in exchange for there PR. I know you cannot comment on anything involving a competitor but I had to ask... is this something ATi also does?

It is pretty important that I get an answer to this question. As with many other hardware fans (of either company) this news did disturb me and it seems right now the finger is being pointed towards ATi using the same practice. If you do use the same practice then please elaborate on the specifics. These findings will be published, unbiased, onto a forum named x-3Dfx.

It's ATi's chance to show that they're more ethical then there competitors. I ask that you not ignore this email... your customers are anxious awaiting your reply.

Thank You,

Richard La Rose
x-3Dfx

Richard,



No, we don't. If we did, we would be public about it. It's not in our DNA to behave any other way.



Regards,



Chris

Chris Evenden

Director, PR

ATI Technologies, Inc.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=28434

 

[SirPauly]

@SirPauly

do you believe that? Because at this point, Im not sure Id believe anything appopin says. I wouldnt put it past him to make up things, in his *hunt* for shrills

He has been consistent with this kind of thing and had troubles with Rollo as well.

I don't know, and just engage points more-so than judging a poster. Personally expect extremism, fans, one-sided views and doesn't really bother me too much. Do appreciate posters taking the time to share their views. Some posts may be tough at times, but as a whole, the community and passion for technologies is a great thing.

 

[SirPauly]

Well, if we're just going to take people's word then this should absolve ATI/AMD.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=28434

That was 2006 and a different company.

 

[WelshBloke]

And you probably won't see any proof an hour from now. Or two. Besides, the proof won't be provided by me , so I don't know if you're asking me for it or just being rhetorical.

So you're going to stick with the innuendo and make believe then?

Your whole body of evidence seems to be "well it could be true, and you can't prove me wrong ", which is a cowardly and dishonest way to continue with accusations.

How is anyone supposed to prove they aren't doing what you say?
If I accuse you of being a murderer can you prove you're not? You could be one, it's not impossible.

 

[railven]

Believe it or not, someone said it best:

Well yeah. That's kind of why some of us are asking for data sources. But we are being ignored. Without data sources, reliable ones at that, this is all quite a lot of nothing.

I agree, this is "quite a lot of nothing."

 

[KCfromNC]

And you probably won't see any proof an hour from now. Or two. Besides, the proof won't be provided by me, so I don't know if you're asking me for it or just being rhetorical.

If you think it's just a rhetorical trick to need evidence before accepting that there's a vast hidden conspiracy working behind the scenes, I'm not sure anything I can say will make you understand where I'm coming from. But I hear there are people who believe that the moon landings were also a big conspiracy to deceive the public, so maybe I'm just unusual in that regard.

 

[Keysplayr]

So you're going to stick with the innuendo and make believe then?

You're whole body of evidence seems to be "well it could be true, and you can't prove me wrong ", which is a cowardly and dishonest way to continue with accusations.

How is anyone supposed to prove they aren't doing what you say?
If I accuse you of being a murderer can you prove you're not? You could be one, it's not impossible.

Waitaminute. Who am I accusing? Who has to prove they aren't doing anything? And I could be in AMD's viral group? I suppose that it a possibility.

So, after I accuse no one, and place nobody on any chopping block, you call me dishonest and cowardly. I say, judge not lest ye be judged, Welchbloke.

 

[Keysplayr]

Believe it or not, someone said it best:



I agree, this is "quite a lot of nothing."

Now how about some context to my quoted post. :thumbsup:

 

[KCfromNC]

Are we, here on earth, the only intelligent life in the entire universe?
Highly anticipating your answer.

@ all others. You know what? There shouldn't be anybody protesting discussions of viral marketing here. There isn't a reason for it. Direct accusations are surely frowned upon though. Probably get someone an infraction. Aside from that, there isn't really any reason for the uprising against this discussion. No reason to discard it out of hand. No reason to compare it to Nazi's and Jews (that was way out there). Know what I mean? Discussing this isn't really hurting anyone. It's if and when proof is delivered that folks may get hurt. At least their pride would be.

What is this, the Chewbacca defense or something? Does anyone know what this is supposed to mean, other than being another veiled implication that some people are hiding something shameful and won't admit it.

"I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."

 

[Keysplayr]

You keep talking about AMD's "forum teams" as if it has been proven that they exist and have been verified to be here among us. Belief does not equal proof. Bring us some proof and we'll happily show those members the way out the same way we gave Rollo the boot.

Do you have some sort of problem with exposing AMD forum teams?
Do you have some sort of problem with exposing Nvidia forum teams?
Do you have some sort of problem with exposing Intel forum teams?

Let me guess. Yes, No and No.
I could be wrong and your totally and completely open to full exposure if there is any to be had.
I'm fully aware that it could be untrue. And I'm fully aware that that is inprobable. But I have been privvy to some pretty compelling info. It's really all in Apoppin's hands actually. A wait and see. I do have some fair amount of satisfaction for myself though. And I do smile a bit when I see posts like yours here.

 

[WelshBloke]

Waitaminute. Who am I accusing? Who has to prove they aren't doing anything? And I could be in AMD's viral group? I suppose that it a possibility.

So, after I accuse no one, and place nobody on any chopping block, you call me dishonest and cowardly. I say, judge not lest ye be judged, Welchbloke.

You dont see any innuendo in the following posts?

My guess is, that depends on if AMD plays ball with Apoppin or not and addresses his concerns. If not, then we'll find out sooner than later. If AMD is agreeable to pull in the reins on their forum teams, I think that would be evident as we'll see a change in posting styles or a departure from the norm. The latter of course includes the option NOT to expose it's members.

But honestly, to believe there isn't any is pure folly, IMHO.

@sandorski:
Nvidia "euthanizes" puppies. More humane.

Awaits UPS overnight package.

Apoppin also alluded to some degree of panic in the ranks. I could see that happening right about now. Things coming to a head.

Hard to put an exact definition of "shill" into words Thilan. So what you say here could perhaps describe one out of thousands of "different" people undercover. Just being secretive about their affilliation is probably enough deception to be considered a shill IMHO.

 

[Keysplayr]

What is this, the Chewbacca defense or something? Does anyone know what this is supposed to mean, other than being another veiled implication that some people are hiding something shameful and won't admit it.

"I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."

Are you serious? The Chewbacca defense. Ooookaaaaaayy.

 

[Keysplayr]

You dont see any innuendo in the following posts?

So what if there is? And my post stands. Who am I accusing? Name a name and I'll cry defeat. Who is it?
Your posts toward me are actually more accusatory than you think mine are, aren't they.
Ironic.

 

[Arkadrel]

Do you have some sort of problem with exposing AMD forum teams?
Do you have some sort of problem with exposing Nvidia forum teams?
Do you have some sort of problem with exposing Intel forum teams?

NO
NO
NO


However, burden of proof is on you.... saying there probably are, on no grounds to stand just makes it sound dilusional/paranoide/crazy ect.

1) I honestly dont believe there are any.
2) I believe Appopin thinks there are some, and he ll claim people are without any proof other than their not shareing his views of "nvidia > amd".

 

[WelshBloke]

So what if there is?

Its not just the innuendo its the lack of anything apart from innuendo.

 

[Keysplayr]

Its not just the innuendo its the lack of anything apart from innuendo.

Wut?

 

[KCfromNC]

Since when does AMD or any fan of theirs here have to prove they are innocent?
Try proving there are "focus teams" and individuals here working on AMD's behalf.
In other words Put up or Shut up.

Someone else mentioned this earlier in the thread :

Although you were probably not intending to drive this particular point home, you give quite a good case why defense against predetermined guilt is rather hopeless and pointless and a thorough waste of energy. You will think what you will think and nobody can tell you different. It's your mind.

Maybe the person who's making these unfounded accusations without proof should ask this poster how fair they are.

 

[railven]

Now how about some context to my quoted post. :thumbsup:

Sure, follow the link in the quote and you can find all the context you want. In the end, I still agree with what I quoted.

 

[Keysplayr]

NO
NO
NO


However, burden of proof is on you.... saying there probably are, on no grounds to stand just makes it sound dilusional/paranoide/crazy ect.

1) I honestly dont believe there are any.
2) I believe Appopin thinks there are some, and he ll claim people are without any proof other than their not shareing his views of "nvidia > amd".

I mean, sure, whatever. It could end up that way. Actually, the burden of proof is on Apoppin. I don't have much of anything to do with it other than watch it unfold.

 

[WelshBloke]

So what if there is? And my post stands. Who am I accusing? Name a name and I'll cry defeat. Who is it?
Your posts toward me are actually more accusatory than you think mine are, aren't they.
Ironic.

No, because mine are actually based upon what you are saying. Yours are based upon nothing.


So you think that if you dont specifically name names you get a free pass to insinuate what ever you like about members here?

 

[Keysplayr]

Sure, follow the link in the quote and you can find all the context you want. In the end, I still agree with what I quoted.

You either quote in context or don't quote at all. I believe Wreckage was vacationed for doing this way back when. You don't quote something and leave it to others to figure out the reasoning and meaning behind a partial snippit of a conversation. That is wrong and you should undo it post haste.