Discussion about ABT

[WelshBloke]

I think appopins idea of viral marketing is probably a bit different to mine.
He seems obsessed about other people getting free stuff which is a bit ironic considering the fuss he makes about getting free review samples.
This is a tech board, lots of people here either work for or have links with technology companies. Apart from the many who do formally work for them there are plenty of others who get free sponsored kit or suchlike.

Again I'd say forget about the free stuff and worry more about whether people are a pain in the posterior.

 

[WelshBloke]

I think appopins idea of viral marketing is probably a bit different to mine.
He seems obsessed about other people getting free stuff which is a bit ironic considering the fuss he makes about getting free review samples.
This is a tech board, lots of people here either work for or have links with technology companies. Apart from the many who do formally work for them there are plenty of others who get free sponsored kit or suchlike.

Again I'd say forget about the free stuff and worry more about whether people are a pain in the posterior.

 

[NIGELG]

Really.. Lol

I hope Groove does not post any more, being the "leader" of the "amd focus group" according to the "light" many, (including apoppin) have " shined" upon that group.

You should apoligize for even suggesting such a thing bryan.

Where is the proof of this 'Focus group'??

 

[sandorski]

Nvidea kills puppies!



Awaits the Fedex package.....

 

[Keysplayr]

Where is the proof of this 'Focus group'??

My guess is, that depends on if AMD plays ball with Apoppin or not and addresses his concerns. If not, then we'll find out sooner than later. If AMD is agreeable to pull in the reins on their forum teams, I think that would be evident as we'll see a change in posting styles or a departure from the norm. The latter of course includes the option NOT to expose it's members.

But honestly, to believe there isn't any is pure folly, IMHO.

@sandorski:
Nvidia "euthanizes" puppies. More humane.

Awaits UPS overnight package.

 

[Madcatatlas]

My guess is, that depends on if AMD plays ball with Apoppin or not and addresses his concerns. If not, then we'll find out sooner than later. If AMD is agreeable to pull in the reins on their forum teams, I think that would be evident as we'll see a change in posting styles or a departure from the norm. The latter of course includes the option NOT to expose it's members.

But honestly, to believe there isn't any is pure folly, IMHO.

@sandorski:
Nvidia "euthanizes" puppies. More humane.

Awaits UPS overnight package.

Yes, im sure this nazi>jew approach will work great.


This is unproductive hyperbole and rhetoric. Please give it a rest.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[Madcatatlas]

AMD's PR, a guys who actually WRITES the PR and does the slides; one whose JOB depends on the HD 7970 launch is a ringleader there and he coordinates replies with a few of the supporting choir who also gets their kit from AMD.

Their purpose there is to SELL video cards and to smear the competitors. They have a stake in it. They have a free license to attack and your character and motives while they themselves can get away with anything.

i have been very careful in my choice of words. The poster in question is definitely a leader; he takes the lead in speaking as though it is not only for himself, but as though he is representing the group. He is an Alpha male at ATF VC&G.

This is Apoppin spewing stuff about Grooveriding.

haha..tragic

i had to get the hell outta there. Other forum's tech sites are no longer a good place for me to post.

By Apoppin



Theres this saying about burning bridges, and apoppin even razed the supports.

 

[railven]

Really.. Lol

I hope Groove does not post any more, being the "leader" of the "amd focus group" according to the "light" many, (including apoppin) have " shined" upon that group.

You should apoligize for even suggesting such a thing bryan.

In Bryan's defense he gave his recount on an event that involved Bryan buying a GTX 480 and Groove supporting his decision (during the <$200 GTX 480 sale + rebates.) I remember that thread because before Bryan posted some videos (if I recall correctly he did, and his PC was in an HTPC setting - and I believe a child was in it - just going by memory here) a lot of people slammed Bryan claiming his [paraphrase] "my GTX 480 is silent" position was FUD.

As for Apoppin, it's easy to sling mud and make accussations following it be "I never said any names" bull-crap when you've clearly quoted someone. That's like pointing the finger at someone and say "he did it" but when asked who, you never give a name. Total horse crap. And as Keys clearly demonstrated - if AMD doesn't confess to these allegations, clearly they are hiding it and are just covering it up.

To think people who post here in favor of a camp based on incentives is a folly, but to argue that these people are direct employees of AMD is also a folly. And why don't we bring up the angle of compensation again. I recall a certain Focus Group member arguing [paraphrase] "receiving items for free or at a discount doesn't mean they are paying me." It goes both ways.

 

[NIGELG]

My guess is, that depends on if AMD plays ball with Apoppin or not and addresses his concerns. If not, then we'll find out sooner than later. If AMD is agreeable to pull in the reins on their forum teams, I think that would be evident as we'll see a change in posting styles or a departure from the norm. The latter of course includes the option NOT to expose it's members.

But honestly, to believe there isn't any is pure folly, IMHO.

@sandorski:
Nvidia "euthanizes" puppies. More humane.

Awaits UPS overnight package.

''Pure folly'' is believing something without proof....

 

[railven]

''Pure folly'' is believing something without proof....

I wouldn't go that far. You put, now I don't use this word in the religious form, good faith in people. Also, you put ill will on them. It's all a matter of perspection. Now, the fool is the one who is convienced without proper support - that is a sheep.

Do I believe we have marketers here? Hell yeah. Would I claim to know who they are? Hell no. Does it bother me that they are here, to an extent. In the end, I cross off names of people who go through, my opinion of, extremes to prove their points. Such as falsifing numbers on a benchmark in order to prove a point.

 

[Grooveriding]

Much ado about nothing. Apoppin's commentary about his viral fantasies remind me of this unfortunate individual I see at a corner downtown who informs all passerbys that the world is going to end later this year.

I'm sure the real viral marketers are enjoying this though. The reason I've always been sure nvidia continues to viral market is even after one of their viral marketers, Rollo, was caught - they didn't even remove him from their focus group. He's still a member. Letting a reprehensible pos like that continue on says a lot in my book about just putting lip service to the issue rather than having done anything tangible about it.

 

[KCfromNC]

My guess is, that depends on if AMD plays ball with Apoppin or not and addresses his concerns. If not, then we'll find out sooner than later. If AMD is agreeable to pull in the reins on their forum teams, I think that would be evident as we'll see a change in posting styles or a departure from the norm. The latter of course includes the option NOT to expose it's members.

But honestly, to believe there isn't any is pure folly, IMHO.

I'm still not seeing any proof here. Lots of speculation, lots of innuendo, no proof. Whoever said witch hunt had it right.

"Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

 

[KCfromNC]

I wouldn't go that far. You put, now I don't use this word in the religious form, good faith in people. Also, you put ill will on them. It's all a matter of perspection

But there's a weird double-standard at work here. There are people posting who we know receive free hardware from a certain company's marketing group. In exchange, as part of the program, they're asked to post company PR. This is public knowledge directly from the people involved in the program (even if some of them are now banned for their antics). But to point out that well-known fact gets the mods all up in our faces about how that's not fair to discuss the motives of the people getting compensated in exchange for their work here.

On the other hand, we have posts which claim that another company is giving people free hardware in exchange for marketing in the forums with no proof at all, along with the strong implication that certain people are hiding it. It's all smoke and mirrors, claims that we should believe because the lack of proof means they're good at hiding or whatever, and yet the mods let that go. I have no idea why these fantasy motivations for various posters is acceptable to discuss but we have to tiptoe around the reality. Either it's acceptable to questions everyone's motives or it's not. No fair making certain posters off limits, no matter what their position is.

 

[Keysplayr]

I'm still not seeing any proof here. Lots of speculation, lots of innuendo, no proof. Whoever said witch hunt had it right.

"Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

And you probably won't see any proof an hour from now. Or two. Besides, the proof won't be provided by me, so I don't know if you're asking me for it or just being rhetorical.

 

[Keysplayr]

''Pure folly'' is believing something without proof....

Are we, here on earth, the only intelligent life in the entire universe?
Highly anticipating your answer.

@ all others. You know what? There shouldn't be anybody protesting discussions of viral marketing here. There isn't a reason for it. Direct accusations are surely frowned upon though. Probably get someone an infraction. Aside from that, there isn't really any reason for the uprising against this discussion. No reason to discard it out of hand. No reason to compare it to Nazi's and Jews (that was way out there). Know what I mean? Discussing this isn't really hurting anyone. It's if and when proof is delivered that folks may get hurt. At least their pride would be.

 

[NIGELG]

Are we, here on earth, the only intelligent life in the entire universe?
Highly anticipating your answer.

Is the Nvidia focus group real?Yes.Are they unbiased?No.Do they ever recommend Ati cards?No.Do they have an agenda?Yes.Did Nvidia use shills?Yes.

Is the 'AMD Focus group real?No proof.Is there life intelligent life in outer space?No proof.

 

[Keysplayr]

Is the Nvidia focus group real?Yes.Are they unbiased?No.Do they ever recommend Ati cards?No.Do they have an agenda?Yes.Did Nvidia use shills?Yes.

Is the 'AMD Focus group real?No proof.Is there life intelligent life in outer space?No proof.

Can't answer huh. Answering questions with questions accomplishes nothing. Probably the intended outcome, to accomplish nothing and leaving us with a sense of being unanswered.

Saying that there isn't any proof that there is other intelligent life in the universe, might be true, BUT the odds of there being none is extremely remote. Orders of magnitude against there being none.

Saying there isn't proof ISN'T an answer. And I'm absolutely certain you know that too.

And to address your stuff:

Is the Nvidia focus group real?Yes. True
Are they unbiased?No. Don't need to be. Can like anything we want.
Do they ever recommend Ati cards?No. Incorrect.
Do they have an agenda?Yes. Not really, unless you count countering FUD in the forums an agenda, or just a reaction to it.
Did Nvidia use shills?Yes. AEG. Long ago. No more. Out in the open now as AMD members should be.

 

[96Firebird]

Was the excessive tessellation in Crysis 2 the fault of Nvidia?

No proof.

:awe:

 

[Grooveriding]

There is a team of highly evolved platypus who post in these forums. They have been bred using secret advanced biogenetics technology and are avid computer enthusiasts.

They live in the basement of one of the posters here and each has their own posting workstation. Prove me wrong.

What a failed system of analogy that is to make a point.

@ all others. You know what? There shouldn't be anybody protesting discussions of viral marketing here. There isn't a reason for it. Direct accusations are surely frowned upon though. Probably get someone an infraction. Aside from that, there isn't really any reason for the uprising against this discussion. No reason to discard it out of hand. No reason to compare it to Nazi's and Jews (that was way out there). Know what I mean? Discussing this isn't really hurting anyone. It's if and when proof is delivered that folks may get hurt. At least their pride would be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Try educating yourself. The context you are trying to discuss this in, per AMD marketers is inflammatory and hyperbole. Especially for a member like me, at these forums, who has been accused of said over there. We've all read the trash being posted by members on ABT in relation to this discussion.

It's trolling and innuendo like a coward through the backdoor here on Anandtech - through accusations laid out in another forum. Totally lacking in class. If you yourself have no proof as you say, I'd suggest you man up and cut it unless you have something real to say; rather than skulking innuendos.

 

[NIGELG]

Can't answer huh. Answering questions with questions accomplishes nothing. Probably the intended outcome, to accomplish nothing and leaving us with a sense of being unanswered.

Saying that there isn't any proof that there is other intelligent life in the universe, might be true, BUT the odds of there being none is extremely remote. Orders of magnitude against there being none.

Saying there isn't proof ISN'T an answer. And I'm absolutely certain you know that too.

You and and your fellow bashers at ABT should get the proof.And who is more dishonest than Paid Agenda driven marketers from the one Focus Group we know is real?I have answered honestly.You have no proof of these 'viral assets of AMD'.

Now you can go back to attacking ANANDTECH forum members and whining and sulking on ABT.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Would be interesting to know what happens to anyone that is actually an AMD marketing viral agent.

From all this talk about viral agents and exposing them, it would almost seem that it would be the end of the line to them, that they would be banned or at least wouldn't be able to post stuff that will immediately be seen as inflammatory due to the fact they are a member of a viral group.

But I'm not sure why would anyone think that.

Lets imagine Groove is an AMD viral agent. a shill and he gets caught.

What will happen?

He gets to post the same stuff he is posting so far. Anyone pointing to him that he should stop posting negative news about NVIDIA would be told to shut up since he has a disclaimer on his signature and if he is here he has the same rights and no special duties despite his affiliation.

Heck, he might even gain a bigger preponderance because since he has links to AMD he might have beforehand knowledge of AMD hardware since he his given free hardware to evaluate those as part of the his focus group affiliation...

I'm with WelshBloke on this one, it isn't about the free hardware or even pay check, it is about the content of the posts.

Does anyone have problems with IntelEnthusiast posts?

I guess most will say they don't since he posts about Intel products. Period.

 

[Creig]

My guess is, that depends on if AMD plays ball with Apoppin or not and addresses his concerns. If not, then we'll find out sooner than later. If AMD is agreeable to pull in the reins on their forum teams, I think that would be evident as we'll see a change in posting styles or a departure from the norm. The latter of course includes the option NOT to expose it's members.

But honestly, to believe there isn't any is pure folly, IMHO.

@sandorski:
Nvidia "euthanizes" puppies. More humane.

Awaits UPS overnight package.

You keep talking about AMD's "forum teams" as if it has been proven that they exist and have been verified to be here among us. Belief does not equal proof. Bring us some proof and we'll happily show those members the way out the same way we gave Rollo the boot.

 

[railven]

But there's a weird double-standard at work here. There are people posting who we know receive free hardware from a certain company's marketing group. In exchange, as part of the program, they're asked to post company PR. This is public knowledge directly from the people involved in the program (even if some of them are now banned for their antics). But to point out that well-known fact gets the mods all up in our faces about how that's not fair to discuss the motives of the people getting compensated in exchange for their work here.

On the other hand, we have posts which claim that another company is giving people free hardware in exchange for marketing in the forums with no proof at all, along with the strong implication that certain people are hiding it. It's all smoke and mirrors, claims that we should believe because the lack of proof means they're good at hiding or whatever, and yet the mods let that go. I have no idea why these fantasy motivations for various posters is acceptable to discuss but we have to tiptoe around the reality. Either it's acceptable to questions everyone's motives or it's not. No fair making certain posters off limits, no matter what their position is.

I completely agree. The only counter balance I can produce is in my own reading/responding. Documented focus members to me are worth ignoring. They slander and implicate but the moment their affiliation is called into question you get a PM in your inbox. It is definitely unbalanced, and I know I'll probably getting something in my PM - even though I never said a name :hmm:

I once something benign to the point of "don't let them get to you" and I got an infraction for a call-out. So, since then, I'll let them do as they wish. If the AMD marketers ever get flagged I hope they received this level of protection so maybe the shills would go after each other and leave the rest of us alone.

 

[Arkadrel]

I think this is about the proof, and the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

Think how many people where burnt on a fire, because the church saw them as witches? are witches real? was the church right? no it just burn innocent people.

Death row... how many innocent people have the US government released, after DNA proved alot of them innocent? People have been awaiting a death penelty while innocent.

The cold war.... everyone was paranoia driven, and saw communists everywhere. Does that mean they where right?



I guess Im just thinking Appopin is gonna "nominate" random people he thinks are to big amd fans, and call it aday. Not careing about proof, or the reputation of said users.

And its all driven by his bias towards AMD, apperntly he sees shrills everywhere.
Im willing to bet there are non here, and hes just looseing it.

 

[hdfxst]

Do you guys honestly believe that amd cut 10&#37; of it's workforce but kept viral marketers?Seems a little ridiculous to me.appopin did the same thing to nvidia,he threatened to expose viral marketing and nvidia showered him with gifts and now he's trying to do it to amd.I don't believe in double talk or dancing around the subject so if he has something to say just say it