Here is another issue. How many more "breaks" do smokers take compared to non-smokers. Companies are aware of the disparity and attempting to curtail that also. You are full of crap if you say smokers do not take more and longer breaks. We timed one woman one day, for fun, out for over 1.5 hours smoking during the day. Most employers allow 2 x 15 minute breaks. I think the smokers owe the nonsmokers some fvcking credit for carrying your polluting chimney asses.
why would i need mullets and the confederate flag? i think bats and the stars and stripes would do fine.
Sould there be special lanes for diesel trucks? How about oil burning cars...should they park 500000000000 feet from the building?
do you park your car with the engine running??
do you park your car with the engine running??
<< I think the smokers owe >>
I don't owe you anything. Take more breaks. Or start smoking. This used to be a free country (USA). Now everyone thinks someone else owes them something and we are not free to do the LEGAL things we like to do because it might offend us. Get a life and a spine and some thicker skin.
I don't owe you anything. Take less breaks. Or stop smoking. This used to be a free country (USA). Now everyone thinks someone else owes them something and we are not free to do the LEGAL things we like to do because it might offend us. Get a life and a spine and some thicker skin.
<< your right to smoke may be revoked at any given time >>
OK mullet boy. Let's take away other's rights to legal activities just because they offend us. Sounds like communism to me. BiggieN, you must be a democrat.
nope, republican...but don't quote me on that. is smoking legal? try smoking in a hospital...see what happens.
silly typos.
dang, more typos...lol
silly typos.
dang, more typos...lol
Let's take away other's rights to legal activities just because they offend us. Sounds like communism to me.
nope, sounds like protection of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to me. notice that life comes first, then liberties.
dang, its late. i keep on messing up my posts.
nope, sounds like protection of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to me. notice that life comes first, then liberties.
dang, its late. i keep on messing up my posts.
<< nope, sounds like protection of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to me. notice that life comes first, then liberties >>
If I was taking your life, OK. But two seconds of smoke will not hurt you. Do you not go to clubs? How about camp fires. Drink? Participating in a LEGAL (yes it's legal...where have you been?) activity is liberty.
The bottom line is that smoking and second hand smoke are dangerous. If you want to smoke, you can smoke in your space (your home, your car, etc..). When you smoke around non-smokers, you are endangering their lives. Second hand smoke is very dangerous...even for "2 seconds."
Smoking, like driving, is a privilege, NOT a right. I am a non-smoker in a family of smokers. I owe all my lung/respiratory problems to them.
Smoking, like driving, is a privilege, NOT a right. I am a non-smoker in a family of smokers. I owe all my lung/respiratory problems to them.
Wah! Eating is a privilage. Smoking is a privilage. Working is a privilage. Being dumb is a privilage too. This country is too dam PC and don't offend anyone. I don't care what you say, 2 seconds won't kill anyone. Use the other door. Do you go to clubs? Or do you avoid anyplace that allows smoking inside? Do you avoid everything unhealthy? IT's OUTSIDE!!!!
<<<Wah! Eating is a privilage.>>>
No. Eating is necessary for survival.
<<<Smoking is a privilage.>>>
yes. smoking rights are taken away due to the alarming medical implications.
<<<Working is a privilage.>>>
No. Working is necessary, due to the setup of our society, for survival.
Being dumb is a privilage too.
spell "privilege"
<<<This country is too dam PC and don't offend anyone. I don't care what you say, 2 seconds won't kill anyone. Use the other door. Do you go to clubs? Or do you avoid anyplace that allows smoking inside? Do you avoid everything unhealthy? IT's OUTSIDE!!!! >>>>
I am not offended by anyone (ok..religion offends me). If you want to smoke, kill yourself. It has already been mentioned in this thread that 2 seconds can add up over time.
No. Eating is necessary for survival.
<<<Smoking is a privilage.>>>
yes. smoking rights are taken away due to the alarming medical implications.
<<<Working is a privilage.>>>
No. Working is necessary, due to the setup of our society, for survival.
Being dumb is a privilage too.
spell "privilege"
<<<This country is too dam PC and don't offend anyone. I don't care what you say, 2 seconds won't kill anyone. Use the other door. Do you go to clubs? Or do you avoid anyplace that allows smoking inside? Do you avoid everything unhealthy? IT's OUTSIDE!!!! >>>>
I am not offended by anyone (ok..religion offends me). If you want to smoke, kill yourself. It has already been mentioned in this thread that 2 seconds can add up over time.
Being able to smoke anywhere on the premises is more than they could give you, if they really wanted to do so. I'm a smoker. I respect non smokers.
If someone comes into my space and tries to talk to me about my smoking, they will be quickly dissed and shown the door. ......however, when I am around non smokers, in their space, I respect it.
If someone comes into my space and tries to talk to me about my smoking, they will be quickly dissed and shown the door. ......however, when I am around non smokers, in their space, I respect it.
Actually while you are in the street its none of your bosses busines where you smoke, he has no right under the law to tell you what part of the footpath you can smoke or not smoke on. However as an employee its your choice whether to do what your boss requires of you, or if you don't like it you have the right to chose to work elsewhere.
Really I think you ought to just accept what's going on, 8ball because legally your boss is quite within his/her rights to make the work enviroment totally non smoking & curtail all breaks outside of the lunch break & morning tea break. Mind you if you are on your morning tea break or lunch break & you are smoking out on the street then its none of your bosses business where on the street you stand, because you arn't under work time then, so it goes both ways.
Really I think you ought to just accept what's going on, 8ball because legally your boss is quite within his/her rights to make the work enviroment totally non smoking & curtail all breaks outside of the lunch break & morning tea break. Mind you if you are on your morning tea break or lunch break & you are smoking out on the street then its none of your bosses business where on the street you stand, because you arn't under work time then, so it goes both ways.
8ball
When you smoke you puff away fumes that are dangerous to everyone, even if you are outside it takes few minutes for the smoke to clear, as in blend with the rest of the pollution. For those few minutes your actions as a smoker are putting other people in danger.
Otherwise I hate 99% smokers, because they dont care about others. When I was in school at each entrance there were from 5-50 people smoking there during brakes. Because the school is based in two buildings you often had to walk many times a day through the crowds of smokers. Technicly it was not allowed to smoke so close to the school but the janitor rarely told the kids to move away, and when he did every smoker got angry. I think smokers live in their own bubble, not knowing what is going on outside their heads.
Other reason I hate them is when you go to a club or a party, people smoke there, and your clothes start to stench and it takes days for the smell to go out.
And yes I am for the lawsuits against the topaco industry and I want them to go away and I want the government to put cigarets in the same catagory as dope.
I wouldnt give a shít about you smoking if you would only damage yourself but when you damage others its you against us.
When you smoke you puff away fumes that are dangerous to everyone, even if you are outside it takes few minutes for the smoke to clear, as in blend with the rest of the pollution. For those few minutes your actions as a smoker are putting other people in danger.
Otherwise I hate 99% smokers, because they dont care about others. When I was in school at each entrance there were from 5-50 people smoking there during brakes. Because the school is based in two buildings you often had to walk many times a day through the crowds of smokers. Technicly it was not allowed to smoke so close to the school but the janitor rarely told the kids to move away, and when he did every smoker got angry. I think smokers live in their own bubble, not knowing what is going on outside their heads.
Other reason I hate them is when you go to a club or a party, people smoke there, and your clothes start to stench and it takes days for the smell to go out.
And yes I am for the lawsuits against the topaco industry and I want them to go away and I want the government to put cigarets in the same catagory as dope.
I wouldnt give a shít about you smoking if you would only damage yourself but when you damage others its you against us.
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The hospital where my gf works has a rule that you must be something like 15 meters from the door to smoke because some people have allergies such that even sniffing it at all can cause them problems. Since smoking is so easily avoided for these people if smokers are considerate I have no problem with them being asked to move away from doors to public buildings.
I think its a growing trend - and one I agree with - that smoking laws will get stricter and stricter. Until I can walk into any public place and not smell even a whiff of this pointless habit then the laws are not strict enough. Maybe when kids can't hang out at the mall and suck back on smokes they will not be as likely to start and lead themselves into a life of probable sickness.
Its all their choice, so do what you want. All I care about is me and I should not have to suffer from somebody else's choice and inhale their smoke.
This one mall I used to go into I remember that when I'd walk the length of it the smoke was so thick in the air that my eyes were consistently stinging a little bit - it was that dry!
I think its a growing trend - and one I agree with - that smoking laws will get stricter and stricter. Until I can walk into any public place and not smell even a whiff of this pointless habit then the laws are not strict enough. Maybe when kids can't hang out at the mall and suck back on smokes they will not be as likely to start and lead themselves into a life of probable sickness.
Its all their choice, so do what you want. All I care about is me and I should not have to suffer from somebody else's choice and inhale their smoke.
This one mall I used to go into I remember that when I'd walk the length of it the smoke was so thick in the air that my eyes were consistently stinging a little bit - it was that dry!
Czar, czar, czar,
Next you'll be telling me that you support suits against fast food chains for all the health problems they cause and you want them banned and treated like dope.
Jeesh.
EDIT: Sometimes you have to let people make their own decisions and face the consequences.
(Note my sig)
Next you'll be telling me that you support suits against fast food chains for all the health problems they cause and you want them banned and treated like dope.
Jeesh.
EDIT: Sometimes you have to let people make their own decisions and face the consequences.
(Note my sig)
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I have nothing against fast food because it just damages the consumer and not anyone else. The real point is that when people are around a smoker that is smoking the smoker smokes for everyone there.
I have nothing against fast food because it just damages the consumer and not anyone else. The real point is that when people are around a smoker that is smoking the smoker smokes for everyone there.
Hate to take this in a different direction but here at work we are allowed to smoke by the back doorways (that aren't often used) provided the door stays closed. We are allowed to wear only mild cologne or perfume and no smelly things in the offices. There seem to be a lot of people here on this campus that have servere allergic reactions to these things. (called the ambulance for one lady who had a severe reaction to a secretary's perfume last year) I believe this is the rules at most other government facilities.
I'm certainly not a fan of the anti-smoking zealots out there trying to restrict people's right to choose whether to smoke or not..... However, that right ends when the actions compromise the health and rights of others.
If you choose to smoke, do it somewhere where other people are not affected - in your car, your house, your yard, etc. Don't do it where someone else has to go (like at a workplace). It's not just a 'smell' issue either -- there are proven health hazards to inhaling second hand smoke. Why should I be forced to inhale your smoke to the detriment of my health? No way. Wanna smoke, do it where there's either no people or no people that object to your smoking.
If you choose to smoke, do it somewhere where other people are not affected - in your car, your house, your yard, etc. Don't do it where someone else has to go (like at a workplace). It's not just a 'smell' issue either -- there are proven health hazards to inhaling second hand smoke. Why should I be forced to inhale your smoke to the detriment of my health? No way. Wanna smoke, do it where there's either no people or no people that object to your smoking.
Sit down, Czar, are you ready for this?
We agree on the smoking issue. =)
I dislike it, I don't think people should be allowed to smoke around others (if they protest) because second hand smoke is dangerous, but there is no need to outlaw smoking. Let them do it in their cars, their homes, etc. That does leave the problem of smoking around children. Should that be considered child abuse?
Hmmmm.
We agree on the smoking issue. =)
I dislike it, I don't think people should be allowed to smoke around others (if they protest) because second hand smoke is dangerous, but there is no need to outlaw smoking. Let them do it in their cars, their homes, etc. That does leave the problem of smoking around children. Should that be considered child abuse?
Hmmmm.
hmmmm... not sure if child abuse is the right term for it, should be more like atempted murder, that is if they are younger than 4-6. Over that age, yes maybe child abuse
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We've entered this discussion earlier (smoking around kids) - I see a case for child abuse. On the other hand its really difficult to make a law against it because then we could make laws saying not to feed your kids too much fast food or chocholate etc. etc.
On a personal note anybody smoking around their children such that their children are actually inhaling this smoke is a bad parent. I don't think there is really any argument against this. Some people here smoke away from their kids/outside, etc. and thats wonderful - but smoking in the living room as your kids watch TV is grossly irresponsible and if you do that you are a bad parent. Plenty of things make a parent bad including not enough time spent with kid...this is one of them.
I can't remember the stats but an alarming number of smokers do not in fact quit smoking when they are pregnant.
On a personal note anybody smoking around their children such that their children are actually inhaling this smoke is a bad parent. I don't think there is really any argument against this. Some people here smoke away from their kids/outside, etc. and thats wonderful - but smoking in the living room as your kids watch TV is grossly irresponsible and if you do that you are a bad parent. Plenty of things make a parent bad including not enough time spent with kid...this is one of them.
I can't remember the stats but an alarming number of smokers do not in fact quit smoking when they are pregnant.
Why should other people have to bend over backwards for your NASTY HABIT. I am in college and I have to deal with people like you smoking outside every freakin door. There is NO ESCAPE. It drives me crazy. I have no problem with people smoking as long as it doesn't affect me. Well smoking right outside of entrances DOES affect me. If it is so easy for NON-SMOKERS to hold their breathe then it is just as easy for you to walk 50 yards from the building to get your fix.
Jim
Jim
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