Disappointed with the Graphics of PS4 and Xbox One

[Tweak155]

not quite a new suv, but it's around the price of some cars for sure. and no i've been into many great theaters. my basement isn't as large a movie theater though so it doesn't take the same equipment as a theater to get it sounding as good or better than a theater.

and that still doesn't make games/movies/shows on my plasma "unplayable" and "terrible" even though it sounds/looks much better down there.

I haven't heard anything close to IMAX sound anywhere but theaters, but I guess maybe other standard theaters I could see this being a possibility, especially if you're over $10k.

My last sound system I just bought was under $500 for the receiver and 5.1 speakers... even if it is not near theater experience, it is dang good for the price.

 

[exdeath]

Definitive BP3000TLs + Velodyne HGS15s here and lately I've played most games with head phones.

 

[Wingznut]

I'm very disappointed.

Bummer. Oh well, don't buy one.

 

[desura]

I wonder what this "xbox cloud" will amount to. At best I can imagine it offloading some AI or scripting?

I think the PS4/XB1 are going to be decades-long consoles. Reason being that the difference you are seeing right now is the difference between DX11 and DX9. But...DX11 has been it for a while now. Don't see any DX12 over the horizon. I think DX has pretty much matured.

 

[tdawg]

whenever I see someone watching a non-hd channel that is also available in HD, I silently walk up, pick up the remote, and switch to the HD version. gives me such great satisfaction, but the slugs on the sofa probably have no clue.

I do the exact same thing. My roommates watching TV in SD drives me crazy.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Definitive BP3000TLs + Velodyne HGS15s here and lately I've played most games with head phones.

No high end sound system here, but I used some good headphones pretty much all the time. I was at the theater a couple weeks ago, and I was disappointed with the sound.

 

[Muadib]

You guys need to see a movie in Dolby Atmos. The sound is truly unreal. Sadly few theaters are setup for it now. Below is a list of upcoming Atmos films. Check one out if you can.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/content/movie/release/dolby-atmos-movies.html

 

[HeXen]

i dont see how they will compete with PC's 3 years from now. even now they are outdone by a midrange gaming PC.

Outdone how exactly? AC4, Thief 4..etc are the exact same games but on PC you have options of resolution, AA/AF..etc which are graphical enhancements. It doesn't have more objects, more NPC's or anything like that really yet comparing doesn't really offer much when you consider the hardware differences required, especially if you want to see minimum frames of 60fps which is really the entire point of going PC.
A mid end PC doesn't often get that with triple A games. You either go big or go home and even then you'll always chase the graphics to performance ratio's because each year there is at least 1 hyped game that will turn your high end hardware to slush or some buggy issue..etc and then everyone here complains. Granted the Crysis's don't exactly come out often but just wait until Witcher 3 comes and all the mid end folks are using low/med mixtures or getting 30fps...screw that b.s, not for a rig with a graphics card half the cost of a console...or worse get that performance with a $500 GPU not to mention the cost of your CPU. I had such a card and core i7 and it sucks to get less than PS4 level of details and frame rates.

Like I always say, there really is no serious point to PC gaming if you're not always maxing out ALL of your games. The only other points would be modding but only a few even do that and fewer still have good "must have" mods.

 

[Arkaign]

FPS are borderline unplayable for me on console (and I understand the opposite opinion). And there are tons of games that just aren't console type games. Flight Sims, RTS, etc, and then you have some projects that should be incredible like Star Citizen.

http://www.incgamers.com/2014/02/st...g-goal-procedurally-generated-planets-planned

The best is to have a PS4, a gaming PC, a gaming HTPC, a WiiU, and possibly an XB1 That way you don't miss out on great stuff.

Oh, and Skyrim modded alone is ridiculously awesome.

We didn't even talk about multi-monitor, which takes games like Flight Sims, BF3/BF4/etc into an entirely new realm.

 

[sze5003]

Consoles just came out and nothing yet has been made to optimize their full potential.

 

[mikegg]

Bummer. Oh well, don't buy one.

I didn't. :biggrin:

 

[Sonikku]

360 titles didn't seem that great looking when they first debuted either. The days of going from Soul Blade to Soul Calibur level graphics are gone.

 

[HeXen]

360 titles didn't seem that great looking when they first debuted either. The days of going from Soul Blade to Soul Calibur level graphics are gone.

Pretty amazing what devs can do now on the PS3/360. They may not have the resolution and frame rates of PC but they are so close that it often takes a decent and modern build just to run better enough to make it worth your while.
If it's not that noticeable then it's certainly not worth all the time and money spent to build and rigorously maintain the PC.

Like Arkaign said, it's best to get all the platforms, at least the important ones. I never understood how the elitist PC gamers that bash consoles could call themselves hardcore gamers when they don't even own a console.

 

[drbrock]

Having played both systems at best buy. I would say Ps4 is just as good as a Nvidia crossfire Titan Powered PC and the Xbone is on par with the Ouya. The resolution was just too low on the Xbone. I don't even know why they sell that thing... Plus it doesn't play mkv.

 

[sze5003]

Having played both systems at best buy. I would say Ps4 is just as good as a Nvidia crossfire Titan Powered PC and the Xbone is on par with the Ouya. The resolution was just too low on the Xbone. I don't even know why they sell that thing... Plus it doesn't play mkv.

Not sure if ps4 plays mkv either. They have to add a patch to support other types too.

 

[Rakehellion]

Start by looking at games that are NOT coming out on PS360. Ryse, KZ:SF, inFamous, Driveclub, etc. These are just 1st gen, rushed launch window games ad they look great.

This.

Also, developers are still used to programming games for DX9-class hardware and current gen titles are basically Vita games with a few extra shaders stapled on. They're not the pinnacle of what this generation can do.

 

[Rakehellion]

OP, if you were concerned about graphics, the XB1 with a ~7770 and DDR3 was a terrible mistake. The gap is only going to get bigger vs. PS4, and PC, don't get me started. I showed someone Titanfall during the beta playing at 2560x1600 on my 30" after he was bragging about his XB1, and he just about lost his mind.

Titanfall is just another game that runs on the Xbox 360 and isn't a good example of what this generation can do.

Even the PC nerd's savior Crysis 3 is another dumbed-down game that will be eclipsed by consoles.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Like I always say, there really is no serious point to PC gaming if you're not always maxing out ALL of your games. The only other points would be modding but only a few even do that and fewer still have good "must have" mods.

That's a pretty short and narrow minded opinion, but it's what I've come to expect from this crowd.

 

[TreVader]

All the people complaining about Xbox One and PS4 graphics are either people who would never buy a console anyway. WHAT exactly don't you like about the graphics? Is it the lighting, or textures, or are you just complaining about 1080p being the dominant resolution for most HDTVs?

There is almost no discernible difference between PS4 and XB1 for 95% of people out there. For most people, these consoles look amazing because the best they can compare it to is PS3 or 360. Most people on PC aren't even gaming at 1080p, look at a steam survey!

Even compared to the average PC consoles are faster and better. You're comparing an image from an imaginary $5k gaming rig you don't own and never will to a $400 console and complaining about graphics performance. Instead of complaining, you should be gaming on your amazing quadfire 290x or quad titan rig.

 

[Arkaign]

You don't need to spend $5k on a PC to have good gaming. Hell you don't have to spend
$1k to have better cross-platform gaming than is possible on consoles right now, including a Windows license. You don't have to build a bananas machine to have a great experience. I have a 770OC SLI rig with raid SSDs and several displays to choose from, but that's not anywhere near $5k, even with a 30" 2560 display. My closest friend has an i5 2500K OC with a 7870, and he can play BF4 like a boss on 1920x1200 with AA scaled down a tiny bit (hint : still looks/flows massively better than the console versions)

At the same time, it's great to have the consoles to play games that are just plain better suited for them, sports, arcade stuff, fighting games, exclusives, etc.

Best of both worlds is always the best.

Steam Surveys are massively skewed due to all the popular casual games and laptops that get on there. I don't know any PC gamer personally that doesn't run at least a 1080p display and discrete card, but those people I don't fundamentally count as PC gamers anyway.

Anyway, any time I hear rants about how PC gaming is so much better or so much worse than consoles, I have to struggle not to tune them out, because it's plainly obvious they are letting something other than logic define their thoughts. It's just different, and although a little to a lot better in some things, many options just plain aren't there, or are better done on consoles for the genre or type of situation.

 

[Aikouka]

All the people complaining about Xbox One and PS4 graphics are either people who would never buy a console anyway.

That seems like a bit of a generalization. I'll complain about bad graphics regardless of where they are being presented, and I own all three next-gen consoles as well as a high-end gaming PC.

and i can 100% guarantee you that titanfall will look about 10x better on xbox1 than my pc.

Honestly, I don't get why you always jump back to your PC when it's quite apparent (from your own prior posts) that you don't care about gaming on your PC and its configuration is quite evident of that. That's the whole point of a PC. You can design it to what you want. If I want to play games, then I will probably spend a little bit more money on a dedicated GPU. If I don't care about games at all, then I'll probably just use an integrated GPU. That provides the developer to allow for a sliding scale of graphical fidelity that may go from something that looks like PS3/360 to something that surpasses PS4/X1.

That's kind of why it irks me when I see people trying to directly compare the price of a PC and a console. If a PC was strictly a gaming machine, they may have a leg to stand on, but I don't use my consoles for even half of what I use my PC for. PCs are general purpose, multi-tasking machines. I think I would cringe if I tried to do half of this stuff on my X1 and it'd probably be even worse on the PS4.

 

[Rakehellion]

That's kind of why it irks me when I see people trying to directly compare the price of a PC and a console. If a PC was strictly a gaming machine, they may have a leg to stand on, but I don't use my consoles for even half of what I use my PC for. PCs are general purpose, multi-tasking machines. I think I would cringe if I tried to do half of this stuff on my X1 and it'd probably be even worse on the PS4.

The majority of the cost of a gaming PC comes from the gaming components.

 

[Arkaign]

The majority of the cost of a gaming PC comes from the gaming components.

That's highly subjective to what kind of deals you get.

I helped someone upgrade their PC just before Christmas to play games, it was a Dell i5 Vostro (non-K). We upgraded the ram from 4GB to 8GB, replaced the stock PSU with an Antec, and installed a 660ti. Overall it was just under $300 for all of the upgrades. His original system cost him $600. So all in all not bad to be able to play games at a really high quality. If we considered $900 the cost, then only 1/3rd of his cost was related to making it a gaming PC. It runs Titanfall absolutely beautifully at 1080 high.

The higher up the chain you go, the crazier it gets of course. But a really good 1080p experience (almost always possible by not being batcrap insane with settings, a 660ti can have an awesome framerate in anything so long as you aren't stupid with AA). To be honest, the only reason I have 770SLI is because of 2560x1600 or 3x1080 to push depending on the game. A single 1080 display, well it's almost wasteful to go with a really high end GPU.

 

[Aikouka]

The majority of the cost of a gaming PC comes from the gaming components.

Mmm apart from someone spending a lot on a dedicated GPU, I don't think that's really true. Computer components simply add up, and that's especially true if you select higher-quality components. Some people may select those components specifically for gaming, but they'll also most likely be less prone to failure. For example, my server just uses the iGPU, but it still has a > $100 PSU in it. Could I have used some cheap $50 thing? Sure! Did I want to? No!

(I actually mostly did it because I really prefer fully-modular PSUs.)

EDIT:

A single 1080 display, well it's almost wasteful to go with a really high end GPU.

One of the biggest reasons that you'd want a higher-end GPU even with a 1080p monitor is if you're using a high refresh rate LCD. For example, I have an ASUS VG278h monitor (120Hz, 1080p) paired with a GTX 780 Ti. Some games are just a joke even with a weaker card, but others... it really has to push itself to hit 120 FPS at 1080p. Of course, that's because I like all the shiny settings up at max.

Although! G-Sync ought to help render that thought naught. We won't mind gaming at frame rates that are below the monitor's refresh rate, because in most cases, we won't suffer from tearing (only if you go too low).

 

[Rakehellion]

For example, my server just uses the iGPU, but it still has a > $100 PSU in it. Could I have used some cheap $50 thing? Sure! Did I want to? No!

So you spent more than necessary on purpose? The "money is no object" crowd don't really fit into this equation.