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raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

What goal do the Muslims have now? Please share. I would love to see what you think their goal is.

I didn't even know Muslims were united. Wow.

To think that Muslims weren't united would be a very welcome mistake. Fortunately, I don't think we will make it. As stated, go to your Koran if you wonder about your goals. you have been there as you have posted on the great words.

My Koran? How about I follow the rules I set for myself? You telling me about my goals now? WOW.

You have no idea what happens outside your state of Alabama. You will never function in society if you left that state so I recommend you stay there. You can make up your stories about how some Muslim told you it was his duty to kill you. How stupid do you think people are?

I have a brain and an education. I can see you lack education and you have no idea how the world works. You live in Alabama. Not much goes on there now does it. How many Muslims do you know? Do you even know about the Muslim world? NO you do not.

I could careless what some closed minded person has to say. Muslims in America do far better than you do. If I was you I wouldn't waste your time fighting with me. I would go talk to your daugther and pray that she doesn't hold these same crazy ideas you carry with you. You are full of hate and that is an illness.

ok enough Alabama bashing, I live in the south and the people here arent as ignorant as you think they are. there are plenty of muslims here

can you stay on topic and stop insulting the man? you dont know him personally so stop assuming.

Why don't you let him fight his own battles? What are you holding his hand now?

You are an ignorant person and you live in the south. I live in the south as well.

ok sure, let me hold his e-hand :::holds Condor's hand:::

wow man do you have insult every person you disagree with?

All you do is hate and hate. It's sick really.

e-hand? You need to get out more. It is obvious in almost all your post you do not.

I don't think anyone should take you seriously. You have said things that make you look foolish.

Now I read you say Iraq sent Syria their WMD. LOL.

I don't know how you function in society. You probably go to the grocery store and think Elvis is alive when you pick up those newspapers at the front.

ok what did i do now?

why are your panties in a bunch?

ah i see you edited your post, well good. see, why do you insult each and every person you disagree with?

I truly believe Iraq's WMD's are in Syria. Lets wait and see what happens. If they are not there, then Im wrong and so are a lot of other people.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

What goal do the Muslims have now? Please share. I would love to see what you think their goal is.

I didn't even know Muslims were united. Wow.

To think that Muslims weren't united would be a very welcome mistake. Fortunately, I don't think we will make it. As stated, go to your Koran if you wonder about your goals. you have been there as you have posted on the great words.

My Koran? How about I follow the rules I set for myself? You telling me about my goals now? WOW.

You have no idea what happens outside your state of Alabama. You will never function in society if you left that state so I recommend you stay there. You can make up your stories about how some Muslim told you it was his duty to kill you. How stupid do you think people are?

I have a brain and an education. I can see you lack education and you have no idea how the world works. You live in Alabama. Not much goes on there now does it. How many Muslims do you know? Do you even know about the Muslim world? NO you do not.

I could careless what some closed minded person has to say. Muslims in America do far better than you do. If I was you I wouldn't waste your time fighting with me. I would go talk to your daugther and pray that she doesn't hold these same crazy ideas you carry with you. You are full of hate and that is an illness.

ok enough Alabama bashing, I live in the south and the people here arent as ignorant as you think they are. there are plenty of muslims here

can you stay on topic and stop insulting the man? you dont know him personally so stop assuming.

Why don't you let him fight his own battles? What are you holding his hand now?

You are an ignorant person and you live in the south. I live in the south as well.

ok sure, let me hold his e-hand :::holds Condor's hand:::

wow man do you have insult every person you disagree with?

All you do is hate and hate. It's sick really.

e-hand? You need to get out more. It is obvious in almost all your post you do not.

I don't think anyone should take you seriously. You have said things that make you look foolish.

Now I read you say Iraq sent Syria their WMD. LOL.

I don't know how you function in society. You probably go to the grocery store and think Elvis is alive when you pick up those newspapers at the front.

ok what did i do now?

why are your panties in a bunch?

What school do or did you go to?
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

What goal do the Muslims have now? Please share. I would love to see what you think their goal is.

I didn't even know Muslims were united. Wow.

To think that Muslims weren't united would be a very welcome mistake. Fortunately, I don't think we will make it. As stated, go to your Koran if you wonder about your goals. you have been there as you have posted on the great words.

My Koran? How about I follow the rules I set for myself? You telling me about my goals now? WOW.

You have no idea what happens outside your state of Alabama. You will never function in society if you left that state so I recommend you stay there. You can make up your stories about how some Muslim told you it was his duty to kill you. How stupid do you think people are?

I have a brain and an education. I can see you lack education and you have no idea how the world works. You live in Alabama. Not much goes on there now does it. How many Muslims do you know? Do you even know about the Muslim world? NO you do not.

I could careless what some closed minded person has to say. Muslims in America do far better than you do. If I was you I wouldn't waste your time fighting with me. I would go talk to your daugther and pray that she doesn't hold these same crazy ideas you carry with you. You are full of hate and that is an illness.

ok enough Alabama bashing, I live in the south and the people here arent as ignorant as you think they are. there are plenty of muslims here

can you stay on topic and stop insulting the man? you dont know him personally so stop assuming.

Why don't you let him fight his own battles? What are you holding his hand now?

You are an ignorant person and you live in the south. I live in the south as well.

ok sure, let me hold his e-hand :::holds Condor's hand:::

wow man do you have insult every person you disagree with?

All you do is hate and hate. It's sick really.

e-hand? You need to get out more. It is obvious in almost all your post you do not.

I don't think anyone should take you seriously. You have said things that make you look foolish.

Now I read you say Iraq sent Syria their WMD. LOL.

I don't know how you function in society. You probably go to the grocery store and think Elvis is alive when you pick up those newspapers at the front.

ok what did i do now?

why are your panties in a bunch?

What school do or did you go to?

currently in college, why, whats wrong now?
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

What goal do the Muslims have now? Please share. I would love to see what you think their goal is.

I didn't even know Muslims were united. Wow.

To think that Muslims weren't united would be a very welcome mistake. Fortunately, I don't think we will make it. As stated, go to your Koran if you wonder about your goals. you have been there as you have posted on the great words.

My Koran? How about I follow the rules I set for myself? You telling me about my goals now? WOW.

You have no idea what happens outside your state of Alabama. You will never function in society if you left that state so I recommend you stay there. You can make up your stories about how some Muslim told you it was his duty to kill you. How stupid do you think people are?

I have a brain and an education. I can see you lack education and you have no idea how the world works. You live in Alabama. Not much goes on there now does it. How many Muslims do you know? Do you even know about the Muslim world? NO you do not.

I could careless what some closed minded person has to say. Muslims in America do far better than you do. If I was you I wouldn't waste your time fighting with me. I would go talk to your daugther and pray that she doesn't hold these same crazy ideas you carry with you. You are full of hate and that is an illness.

ok enough Alabama bashing, I live in the south and the people here arent as ignorant as you think they are. there are plenty of muslims here

can you stay on topic and stop insulting the man? you dont know him personally so stop assuming.

Why don't you let him fight his own battles? What are you holding his hand now?

You are an ignorant person and you live in the south. I live in the south as well.

ok sure, let me hold his e-hand :::holds Condor's hand:::

wow man do you have insult every person you disagree with?

All you do is hate and hate. It's sick really.

e-hand? You need to get out more. It is obvious in almost all your post you do not.

I don't think anyone should take you seriously. You have said things that make you look foolish.

Now I read you say Iraq sent Syria their WMD. LOL.

I don't know how you function in society. You probably go to the grocery store and think Elvis is alive when you pick up those newspapers at the front.

ok what did i do now?

why are your panties in a bunch?

What school do or did you go to?

currently in college, why, whats wrong now?

What college? What is your major?

You lack common sense. Just curious what university you go to. I don't like wasting my time arguing with people who aren't educated.
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
12,892
572
126
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

What goal do the Muslims have now? Please share. I would love to see what you think their goal is.

I didn't even know Muslims were united. Wow.

To think that Muslims weren't united would be a very welcome mistake. Fortunately, I don't think we will make it. As stated, go to your Koran if you wonder about your goals. you have been there as you have posted on the great words.

My Koran? How about I follow the rules I set for myself? You telling me about my goals now? WOW.

You have no idea what happens outside your state of Alabama. You will never function in society if you left that state so I recommend you stay there. You can make up your stories about how some Muslim told you it was his duty to kill you. How stupid do you think people are?

I have a brain and an education. I can see you lack education and you have no idea how the world works. You live in Alabama. Not much goes on there now does it. How many Muslims do you know? Do you even know about the Muslim world? NO you do not.

I could careless what some closed minded person has to say. Muslims in America do far better than you do. If I was you I wouldn't waste your time fighting with me. I would go talk to your daugther and pray that she doesn't hold these same crazy ideas you carry with you. You are full of hate and that is an illness.

ok enough Alabama bashing, I live in the south and the people here arent as ignorant as you think they are. there are plenty of muslims here

can you stay on topic and stop insulting the man? you dont know him personally so stop assuming.

Why don't you let him fight his own battles? What are you holding his hand now?

You are an ignorant person and you live in the south. I live in the south as well.

ok sure, let me hold his e-hand :::holds Condor's hand:::

wow man do you have insult every person you disagree with?

All you do is hate and hate. It's sick really.

e-hand? You need to get out more. It is obvious in almost all your post you do not.

I don't think anyone should take you seriously. You have said things that make you look foolish.

Now I read you say Iraq sent Syria their WMD. LOL.

I don't know how you function in society. You probably go to the grocery store and think Elvis is alive when you pick up those newspapers at the front.

ok what did i do now?

why are your panties in a bunch?

What school do or did you go to?

currently in college, why, whats wrong now?

What college? What is your major?

You lack common sense. Just curious what university you go to. I don't like wasting my time arguging with people who aren't educated.

oh ho ho, well look whose here, Mr. I am Superior to everyone and whoever I disagree with, I will question their education and belittle them. ho ho ho
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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2
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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

What goal do the Muslims have now? Please share. I would love to see what you think their goal is.

I didn't even know Muslims were united. Wow.

To think that Muslims weren't united would be a very welcome mistake. Fortunately, I don't think we will make it. As stated, go to your Koran if you wonder about your goals. you have been there as you have posted on the great words.

My Koran? How about I follow the rules I set for myself? You telling me about my goals now? WOW.

You have no idea what happens outside your state of Alabama. You will never function in society if you left that state so I recommend you stay there. You can make up your stories about how some Muslim told you it was his duty to kill you. How stupid do you think people are?

I have a brain and an education. I can see you lack education and you have no idea how the world works. You live in Alabama. Not much goes on there now does it. How many Muslims do you know? Do you even know about the Muslim world? NO you do not.

I could careless what some closed minded person has to say. Muslims in America do far better than you do. If I was you I wouldn't waste your time fighting with me. I would go talk to your daugther and pray that she doesn't hold these same crazy ideas you carry with you. You are full of hate and that is an illness.

ok enough Alabama bashing, I live in the south and the people here arent as ignorant as you think they are. there are plenty of muslims here

can you stay on topic and stop insulting the man? you dont know him personally so stop assuming.

Why don't you let him fight his own battles? What are you holding his hand now?

You are an ignorant person and you live in the south. I live in the south as well.

ok sure, let me hold his e-hand :::holds Condor's hand:::

wow man do you have insult every person you disagree with?

All you do is hate and hate. It's sick really.

e-hand? You need to get out more. It is obvious in almost all your post you do not.

I don't think anyone should take you seriously. You have said things that make you look foolish.

Now I read you say Iraq sent Syria their WMD. LOL.

I don't know how you function in society. You probably go to the grocery store and think Elvis is alive when you pick up those newspapers at the front.

ok what did i do now?

why are your panties in a bunch?

What school do or did you go to?

currently in college, why, whats wrong now?

What college? What is your major?

You lack common sense. Just curious what university you go to. I don't like wasting my time arguging with people who aren't educated.

oh ho ho, well look whose here, Mr. I am Superior to everyone and whoever I disagree with, I will question their education and belittle them. ho ho ho

You say idiotic things. I doubt you go to a well respected university. You even said right now Iraq sent WMD into Syria and you will say that because you think it is a fact. How can anyone make such a claim?

You also said there is no chance in hell for any terrorist going into Iraq from Saudi Arabia even though most of them are from Saudi Arabia.

You also spread hate for Muslims and you want Americans to do something about it. Hello? You look like a Muslim. You want us to do something about it? Sure lets kick out everyone in the states from Muslim nations including you mr.raildogg. Problem solved.

You are the same person who said Muslims dance on the streets when Americans die. I said Palestinians do that and you refused to change your claim to Palestinians dance on the street. You were trying to compare billions of people to the actions of 10 Palestinians dancing on the streets to show that Muslims dislike the U.S. The people on here are much more educated than that and the ones who will agree with you, well I wonder what they do for a living and what kind of education they have.

Education Education Education.

In a thread I made yesterday about Israel soldiers killing an innocent Palestinian I made it clear it big capital letters :THIS THREAD IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY. Yet you pop your head in there and say "I am sure they didn't mean to do it" What kind of comment is that? I said information only and it is as if you are trying to prove to the world your opinion about everything is right and must be accepted.
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: conjur
Ooo...wow...no more attacks in 3 years. I guess it's beyond your abilities to realize Al Qaeda operates in "batch mode". They take years to plan attacks. It was 8 years between the two WTC attacks.

"those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war"
Ah, so, all of the insurgents your ilk likes to call terrorists didn't care that a foreign country had invaded and occupied their homeland?
Suppose you are wrong and suppose they had the cells in place for a series of attacks and those cells were destroyed by the crack down. Prove it ain't so!
Remember the thousands of Al Qaeda and Taliban that were allowed to fly out of Afghanistan into Pakistan?

Remember Al Qaeda didn't have a real presence in Iraq and that's where the focus of our military has been for 2 years now?

How in the hell can you say Al Qaeda (and that's only one of a bunch of terrorist organizations) is destroyed?


P.S. Can you all tone down the quoting? Geez. :p
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: raildogg
I thought when 9/11 happened people should have gotten the idea that terrorists are really serious about murdering as many Americans as they can. 3,000 people died that day, New York's economy laid in ruins for much time, its finally coming back up thankfully.

But the point is that people to this day think terrorists cant do us any harm. I see it everyday, from people I meet to the people on these forums. They continue to underestimate the viciousness and the pure evil of these terrorist thugs who plan each day to murder as many Americans as they can.

I'm telling you if we ignore terrorists, which thankfully we are not thanks to Bush, there will be a much worse attack on USA.
Perhaps I've missed it, but I haven't noticed anyone suggesting terrorists cannot do us any harm. On the contrary, I think most people on both sides of the aisle realize that the potential for terrorist attacks is real. The subject of debate is the appropriate response to this risk.

In my opinion, Bush's response to 9/11 was spectacularly incompetent. Some Presidents might have over-reacted, taking draconian actions far out of proportion to the risk. Other Presidents might have been too ineffectual, offering little to improve America's safety. Bush managed to do both.

Bush over-reacted in many highly-visible ways. He shamelessly exploited the tragedy of 9/11 to further his ideological agenda, diverting us into a reckless war that has inflamed the Muslim world, and that will, almost certainly, increase the risk of terrorism for a generation. He's made a mockery of our Constitution, our commitment to basic human rights, and our role as the leader of the free world.

While one might argue that 3,000 deaths warrants such an over-reaction, that is an emotional response, not a reasoned one. IIRC, over 40,000 people die each year in automobile accidents, yet we do not abandon due process to prevent auto fatalities. We do not trample our civil liberties to prevent auto fatilities. We do not invade other countries on trumped-up evidence to prevent auto fatalities.

Conversely, Bush has neglected less dramatic actions that would be far more effective in reducing the risk of terrorism. While we make a great show of harassing air passengers -- to prevent an attack that almost certainly can never happen again -- we do almost nothing to screen air cargo. We fret about a potential nuclear attack, yet we have yet to get serious about securing our ports, the most likely entry point for a nuclear device. Bush is all show and no substance.


9/11 happened because we were sleeping while the terrorists were planning the attacks. Our intelligence services failed us, but the sad thing is that noone was held accountable for it.
I agree. No doubt our intelligence services must bear some of the responsibility for this failure. The Bush adminsitration must shoulder the lion's share, however. They ignored multiple warnings that terrorism was a threat, and did essentially nothing before 9/11 to prevent an attack. Perhaps it would not have made a difference anyway, but there's no excuse for not trying.
(Hoping raildogg -- or others -- might address this.)
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
58,686
3
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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
riiight as though ANY president after september 11th would just ignore terrorism. even bush in his fantasy land could no longer ignore it after 9/11. What has bush done that has kept us safer? let see... diverted resources away from the war on terror to an unnessecary war? it is after all conceded that the war was no longer about WMD's but about human rights. ooohhh wow he created the dept of homeland defense. not really unique, would have been more impressed if he did it prior to 9/11. frankly the reason we are safe is because of the diligence of people in the CIA and the FBI. unfortunately the reason we are not safe is because of some of the past actions of the CIA. I guess with bush in power it's a GOOD thing the president doesn't have as much power as people like to imagine.

Clinton did ignore terrorism for eight years before. It's all been posted in threads.
No, he didn't. And it's been posted in threads up here multiple times that he was very active in combatting terrorism.
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
58,686
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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: dgevert
Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush was in office for about 8 months or so, so I cant blame him for that. But we surely can blame our intelligence services, CIA and FBI.

I
Clinton's administration tried to warn Bush that something like 9/11 was possible. Bush ignored these warnings.
wow now did you just make that up?
Read this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...36&arctab=arc&



And note my 3rd post in this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...55&arctab=arc&
Well, because it seems, for some strange reason, raildogg has decided not to respond, let me speak for him.

"Um, oh. Ok. Guess he didn't just make it up. Thanks."

;)
heh heh
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Clinton did ignore terrorism for eight years before


Was it Hannity or Rushie that told you that? I've dished out more than my fair share of scorn to ol Billie boy over the years, but you are dead wrong. It's a pity you aren't as concerned with being fluent in recent history as you are in ancient history.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Well, because it seems, for some strange reason, raildogg has decided not to respond, let me speak for him

Wow, I didn't get a response from him in another thread either, think I'm noticing a trend!
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
70,150
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Our intelligence services failed us, but the sad thing is that noone was held accountable for it.
If you start holding intelligence services directly accountable for any time something happens you will find yourself unable to find any intelligence operatives.
 

Czar

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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0
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Our intelligence services failed us, but the sad thing is that noone was held accountable for it.
If you start holding intelligence services directly accountable for any time something happens you will find yourself unable to find any intelligence operatives.

for a screwup as big as this? you better hope that someone is held accountable

if there is no accountability then there is so little personal presure on the people who work there to do their job right

this applies to just about every part of the job market, you are accountable
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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If you start holding intelligence services directly accountable for any time something happens you will find yourself unable to find any intelligence operatives.

The problem is it just wasn't a case a wrong intel, there was intel what was intentionally falsified. There is quite a distinction. Speaking of that unsavory business, how is that Plame case going I wonder?
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

What goal do the Muslims have now? Please share. I would love to see what you think their goal is.

I didn't even know Muslims were united. Wow.

To think that Muslims weren't united would be a very welcome mistake. Fortunately, I don't think we will make it. As stated, go to your Koran if you wonder about your goals. you have been there as you have posted on the great words.

My Koran? How about I follow the rules I set for myself? You telling me about my goals now? WOW.

You have no idea what happens outside your state of Alabama. You will never function in society if you left that state so I recommend you stay there. You can make up your stories about how some Muslim told you it was his duty to kill you. How stupid do you think people are?

I have a brain and an education. I can see you lack education and you have no idea how the world works. You live in Alabama. Not much goes on there now does it. How many Muslims do you know? Do you even know about the Muslim world? NO you do not.

I could careless what some closed minded person has to say. Muslims in America do far better than you do. If I was you I wouldn't waste your time fighting with me. I would go talk to your daugther and pray that she doesn't hold these same crazy ideas you carry with you. You are full of hate and that is an illness.

ok enough Alabama bashing, I live in the south and the people here arent as ignorant as you think they are. there are plenty of muslims here

can you stay on topic and stop insulting the man? you dont know him personally so stop assuming.

Why don't you let him fight his own battles? What are you holding his hand now?

You are an ignorant person and you live in the south. I live in the south as well.

ok sure, let me hold his e-hand :::holds Condor's hand:::

wow man do you have insult every person you disagree with?

All you do is hate and hate. It's sick really.

e-hand? You need to get out more. It is obvious in almost all your post you do not.

I don't think anyone should take you seriously. You have said things that make you look foolish.

Now I read you say Iraq sent Syria their WMD. LOL.

I don't know how you function in society. You probably go to the grocery store and think Elvis is alive when you pick up those newspapers at the front.

I think I really pissed in your doughnuts this time. You are normally pretty middle road, but this one went off a curve. I've even admired some of your postings in the past. Cool down, take a drink, and get over it! It is just a forum.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

What goal do the Muslims have now? Please share. I would love to see what you think their goal is.

I didn't even know Muslims were united. Wow.

To think that Muslims weren't united would be a very welcome mistake. Fortunately, I don't think we will make it. As stated, go to your Koran if you wonder about your goals. you have been there as you have posted on the great words.

My Koran? How about I follow the rules I set for myself? You telling me about my goals now? WOW.

You have no idea what happens outside your state of Alabama. You will never function in society if you left that state so I recommend you stay there. You can make up your stories about how some Muslim told you it was his duty to kill you. How stupid do you think people are?

I have a brain and an education. I can see you lack education and you have no idea how the world works. You live in Alabama. Not much goes on there now does it. How many Muslims do you know? Do you even know about the Muslim world? NO you do not.

I could careless what some closed minded person has to say. Muslims in America do far better than you do. If I was you I wouldn't waste your time fighting with me. I would go talk to your daugther and pray that she doesn't hold these same crazy ideas you carry with you. You are full of hate and that is an illness.

ok enough Alabama bashing, I live in the south and the people here arent as ignorant as you think they are. there are plenty of muslims here

can you stay on topic and stop insulting the man? you dont know him personally so stop assuming.

Why don't you let him fight his own battles? What are you holding his hand now?

You are an ignorant person and you live in the south. I live in the south as well.

ok sure, let me hold his e-hand :::holds Condor's hand:::

wow man do you have insult every person you disagree with?

All you do is hate and hate. It's sick really.

e-hand? You need to get out more. It is obvious in almost all your post you do not.

I don't think anyone should take you seriously. You have said things that make you look foolish.

Now I read you say Iraq sent Syria their WMD. LOL.

I don't know how you function in society. You probably go to the grocery store and think Elvis is alive when you pick up those newspapers at the front.

ok what did i do now?

why are your panties in a bunch?

What school do or did you go to?

currently in college, why, whats wrong now?

What college? What is your major?

You lack common sense. Just curious what university you go to. I don't like wasting my time arguing with people who aren't educated.

Lets move from educated to productive. Just what do you do to support society?

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: conjur
Ooo...wow...no more attacks in 3 years. I guess it's beyond your abilities to realize Al Qaeda operates in "batch mode". They take years to plan attacks. It was 8 years between the two WTC attacks.

"those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war"
Ah, so, all of the insurgents your ilk likes to call terrorists didn't care that a foreign country had invaded and occupied their homeland?
Suppose you are wrong and suppose they had the cells in place for a series of attacks and those cells were destroyed by the crack down. Prove it ain't so!
Remember the thousands of Al Qaeda and Taliban that were allowed to fly out of Afghanistan into Pakistan?

Remember Al Qaeda didn't have a real presence in Iraq and that's where the focus of our military has been for 2 years now?

How in the hell can you say Al Qaeda (and that's only one of a bunch of terrorist organizations) is destroyed?


P.S. Can you all tone down the quoting? Geez. :p

I don't recall quoting more than once or twice in my posts. What are you talking about? I think you are crossing debates or something.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
riiight as though ANY president after september 11th would just ignore terrorism. even bush in his fantasy land could no longer ignore it after 9/11. What has bush done that has kept us safer? let see... diverted resources away from the war on terror to an unnessecary war? it is after all conceded that the war was no longer about WMD's but about human rights. ooohhh wow he created the dept of homeland defense. not really unique, would have been more impressed if he did it prior to 9/11. frankly the reason we are safe is because of the diligence of people in the CIA and the FBI. unfortunately the reason we are not safe is because of some of the past actions of the CIA. I guess with bush in power it's a GOOD thing the president doesn't have as much power as people like to imagine.

Clinton did ignore terrorism for eight years before. It's all been posted in threads.
No, he didn't. And it's been posted in threads up here multiple times that he was very active in combatting terrorism.


Very active in combating terrorism certainly doesn't address the reign of Clinton. Terrorist?s attacks on Nairobi and Dar weren't even answered. His negligence encouraged the terrorist and gave them solace, leading to 9/11. His administrations dependance on "rule of law" told them that if they attacked, it would take the US months or years to do anything because of the judicial delay in approving any action and that the legal action, once approved, would be ineffective. I think they really believed that, under our system as defined by Clinton, they could attack with impunity. Fortunately, President Bush didn't go to the Clinton school of defense.
 

imported_Condor

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Ah, the quotes. I finally figured out what you referred to. I quote because following a thread in real time is just too slow. I hop about and often figure that reply only wouldn't indicate what the response is referring to. The quotes do seem to make the columns awfully long though. I am not the only one who does that by the way. Just the only one you complained to. My scroll button gets a work out as well.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Condor
Ah, the quotes. I finally figured out what you referred to. I quote because following a thread in real time is just too slow. I hop about and often figure that reply only wouldn't indicate what the response is referring to. The quotes do seem to make the columns awfully long though. I am not the only one who does that by the way. Just the only one you complained to. My scroll button gets a work out as well.
I said "you all"..meaning...everyone.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Condor
Clinton did ignore terrorism for eight years before. It's all been posted in threads.
No, he didn't. And it's been posted in threads up here multiple times that he was very active in combatting terrorism.
Very active in combating terrorism certainly doesn't address the reign of Clinton. Terrorist?s attacks on Nairobi and Dar weren't even answered. His negligence encouraged the terrorist and gave them solace, leading to 9/11. His administrations dependance on "rule of law" told them that if they attacked, it would take the US months or years to do anything because of the judicial delay in approving any action and that the legal action, once approved, would be ineffective. I think they really believed that, under our system as defined by Clinton, they could attack with impunity. Fortunately, President Bush didn't go to the Clinton school of defense.
Apparently, you missed my posts on the first page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings

Cruise missiles were launched in retaliation and those responsible were captured.

Kobar [sic] tower bombings?
A little info about how it was allowed to happen:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/aw...r/n19970801_970946.htm

Also, the Saudis impeded that investigation and the US was approaching two paths to Iran (investigating them as a terrorism sponsor and also trying to normalize business relations with them.

I am not blaming Clinton for these attacks or 9/11, but he could have done A LOT more about terrorism.
He did a lot about combating terrorism. You just refuse to recognize it.

Heck when the USS Cole was bombed he pledged to to all he could to bring those that killed the 18 sailors to justice, where'd that go?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...ws/knew/etc/cron2.html
Jan. 27, 2001

Cole Links to Al Qaeda Confirmed

The Washington Post reports on this date that investigators in Yemen believe that people in custody are tied closely to Al Qaeda. An anonymous Bush administration official tells The Post, ?There is no question that Al Qaeda was involved in this attack.?
Who was our President on Jan. 27, 2001? Don't you remember Rumsfeld (or was it Cheney) as saying that too much time had passed since the attack to do anything?

And:


I'm not saying Clinton was perfect. He could have pressured the CIA and the Pentagon to do more and should have really pressured Saudi Arabia and Iran. He didn't. But, to say he did nothing is dishonest.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

INVESTIGATE THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY PLEASE.
 

Originally posted by: raildogg
9/11 happened because we were sleeping while the terrorists were planning the attacks. Our intelligence services failed us, but the sad thing is that noone was held accountable for it.

I would rather live one day as a free man than my whole life worrying if some idiot is going to blow me up tomorrow. I seriously don't care about terrorism anymore.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: dwell
Originally posted by: raildogg
9/11 happened because we were sleeping while the terrorists were planning the attacks. Our intelligence services failed us, but the sad thing is that noone was held accountable for it.

I would rather live one day as a free man than my whole life worrying if some idiot is going to blow me up tomorrow. I seriously don't care about terrorism anymore.

I'm more worried about locking my doors at night and making sure my girlfriend's car doesnt break down on her long commute back home. Even those things are minor.

Anyone who is afraid of another terrorist attack and always watching their back or questioning people because they come from a certain part of the world need to seek help. Living in fear is a problem. This is almost the same as those people who are afraid to drive because they are afraid they might die.