Didn't 9/11 teach us anything?

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Condor, You seriously need to reassert your grasp on how these things work.
Those people were normal folks going about their buisness mainly.
Bush has backed them into a corner. This does not turn people into roaches... It makes people scared and forced to fight back.

Steep, you need to travel more and listen to those people you meet in your travels a lot more. I had a Muslim friend telling me in 1978 that it was his duty to kill me and my family and any other non-believer. Then, they had little power and it seemed unblieveable. Now it doesn't.

It's called pulling your chain, with your worldview I would tell you I worship satan and eat christians to get you out of my face once I tried to get you to listen to reason and had words of reason fall to deaf ears.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

Really? Tell that to all the Westerners who go to the Muslim nations each year. Tell that to the non-Muslims living in their country.

Your history is flawed. History also says the white man hates blacks :roll:

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Condor, You seriously need to reassert your grasp on how these things work.
Those people were normal folks going about their buisness mainly.
Bush has backed them into a corner. This does not turn people into roaches... It makes people scared and forced to fight back.

Steep, you need to travel more and listen to those people you meet in your travels a lot more. I had a Muslim friend telling me in 1978 that it was his duty to kill me and my family and any other non-believer. Then, they had little power and it seemed unblieveable. Now it doesn't.

BS story. You like to make things up? We all don't live in Alabama you know. We are surrounded by Muslims. We aren't are closed minded and foolish as you think.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

Really? Tell that to all the Westerners who go to the Muslim nations each year. Tell that to the non-Muslims living in their country.

Your history is flawed. History also says the white man hates blacks :roll:

You are the scholor on the Koran, you tell us what it says. This has all been covered here before and you and Sultan were very enlighting.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

Really? Tell that to all the Westerners who go to the Muslim nations each year. Tell that to the non-Muslims living in their country.

Your history is flawed. History also says the white man hates blacks :roll:

You are the scholor on the Koran, you tell us what it says. This has all been covered here before and you and Sultan were very enlighting.

and I have said what about the Quran that makes you think Muslims are evil?

If you think I am out to kill you call the FBI. Also make sure you call the FBI because my parents work for the government.

Don't forget to tell the FBI there are 6-7 million terrorist in the United States.

When they hang up on you and laugh please tell me. I'd like a laugh.

Even Sultan the crazy guy who is being watched by the FBI is not out to get you or anyone else who is not Muslim. He is the most extreme Muslim on this board and if you honestly find him a threat then I pray you don't teach your daugther these values.

 

[Steeplerot]

Condor you have the traits of someone so enraptured with a certain set of ideas that no matter how much logic you throw at someone you just can't get through.
People get frustrated and just tell people what they want to hear to end a one-sided conversation. Seeing your postings here you remind me of one of those people to a T.
I am not trying to bash you I am just saying to remember to think critically of all idealogies especially your own. Time marches on and realities change unfortunaly some people just get stuck with whats comfortable to believe.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

Really? Tell that to all the Westerners who go to the Muslim nations each year. Tell that to the non-Muslims living in their country.

Your history is flawed. History also says the white man hates blacks :roll:

You are the scholor on the Koran, you tell us what it says. This has all been covered here before and you and Sultan were very enlighting.

and I have said what about the Quran that makes you think Muslims are evil?

If you think I am out to kill you call the FBI. Also make sure you call the FBI because my parents work for the government.

Don't forget to tell the FBI there are 6-7 million terrorist in the United States.

When they hang up on you and laugh please tell me. I'd like a laugh.

Even Sultan the crazy guy who is being watched by the FBI is not out to get you or anyone else who is not Muslim. He is the most extreme Muslim on this board and if you honestly find him a threat then I pray you don't teach your daugther these values.

I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back. Say is isn't so! Now back to what the Koran says on the subject. I remember one posting where you thought you were being watched by the FBI.

 

[0marTheZealot]

The logic "Since Bush, we've had less terrorism in the US" is intellectually bankrupt.

Under every President since FDR, we've had no incidencts of terrorism, until Clinton. So using that logic, we elect Reagan, Ford etcetc we won't have any terrorist attacks.

See how absurd that thinking is?

 

[0marTheZealot]

I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

Really? Tell that to all the Westerners who go to the Muslim nations each year. Tell that to the non-Muslims living in their country.

Your history is flawed. History also says the white man hates blacks :roll:

You are the scholor on the Koran, you tell us what it says. This has all been covered here before and you and Sultan were very enlighting.

and I have said what about the Quran that makes you think Muslims are evil?

If you think I am out to kill you call the FBI. Also make sure you call the FBI because my parents work for the government.

Don't forget to tell the FBI there are 6-7 million terrorist in the United States.

When they hang up on you and laugh please tell me. I'd like a laugh.

Even Sultan the crazy guy who is being watched by the FBI is not out to get you or anyone else who is not Muslim. He is the most extreme Muslim on this board and if you honestly find him a threat then I pray you don't teach your daugther these values.

I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back. Say is isn't so! Now back to what the Koran says on the subject. I remember one posting where you thought you were being watched by the FBI.

I posted that the FBI keeps track of people going in out of certain mosque and people didn't believe me. If the mosque has links to countries or groups I think the FBI should and will keep track of everyone who goes into that mosque. I have no proof I was ever watched or not. I just laid out what I believed was a case. How does this prove your case that Muslims are out to takeover the world or are evil? It just proves what this OP is trying to say that "Mr.Bush is great he is protecting us now". Yeah, I dont know about that.

Maybe you should do a little history on world conflicts before you come to some conclusion that Muslims are out to takeover the world. You are saying non-Muslims have never tried to takeover the world?
OK. That is it? Surely you aren't saying Muslims are trying to takeover the world by just that. There has to be more.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Condor you have the traits of someone so enraptured with a certain set of ideas that no matter how much logic you throw at someone you just can't get through.
People get frustrated and just tell people what they want to hear to end a one-sided conversation. Seeing your postings here you remind me of one of those people to a T.
I am not trying to bash you I am just saying to remember to think critically of all idealogies especially your own. Time marches on and realities change unfortunaly some people just get stuck with whats comfortable to believe.

I'm afraid that my beliefs are based on reality and have been proven by time and experience. That is why I never have been convinced by mere postings. When life experience proves me wrong, I do pay attention, but only then. I started forming idealogies with a very different set of beliefs, pretty close to some that you verbalize in this venue. I had to change those. I hope you can hold to them. I think yours will change too. Time does march on, but reality does not change that much. An example of that is computer technology. Any computer is still made up of the same five basic building blocks that it was years ago. They are smaller and a lot faster, but still work pretty much the same way, from the one on my wrist to the one on my desk. They sure look a lot different though. That would fool some into thinking that there basics have changed. Their basics, like those of life are still the same.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Condor you have the traits of someone so enraptured with a certain set of ideas that no matter how much logic you throw at someone you just can't get through.
People get frustrated and just tell people what they want to hear to end a one-sided conversation. Seeing your postings here you remind me of one of those people to a T.
I am not trying to bash you I am just saying to remember to think critically of all idealogies especially your own. Time marches on and realities change unfortunaly some people just get stuck with whats comfortable to believe.

I'm afraid that my beliefs are based on reality and have been proven by time and experience. That is why I never have been convinced by mere postings. When life experience proves me wrong, I do pay attention, but only then. I started forming idealogies with a very different set of beliefs, pretty close to some that you verbalize in this venue. I had to change those. I hope you can hold to them. I think yours will change too. Time does march on, but reality does not change that much. An example of that is computer technology. Any computer is still made up of the same five basic building blocks that it was years ago. They are smaller and a lot faster, but still work pretty much the same way, from the one on my wrist to the one on my desk. They sure look a lot different though. That would fool some into thinking that there basics have changed. Their basics, like those of life are still the same.

You live in Alabama. I wonder how many mosque you have there. I wonder how many Muslims you know.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

Really? Tell that to all the Westerners who go to the Muslim nations each year. Tell that to the non-Muslims living in their country.

Your history is flawed. History also says the white man hates blacks :roll:

You are the scholor on the Koran, you tell us what it says. This has all been covered here before and you and Sultan were very enlighting.

and I have said what about the Quran that makes you think Muslims are evil?

If you think I am out to kill you call the FBI. Also make sure you call the FBI because my parents work for the government.

Don't forget to tell the FBI there are 6-7 million terrorist in the United States.

When they hang up on you and laugh please tell me. I'd like a laugh.

Even Sultan the crazy guy who is being watched by the FBI is not out to get you or anyone else who is not Muslim. He is the most extreme Muslim on this board and if you honestly find him a threat then I pray you don't teach your daugther these values.

I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back. Say is isn't so! Now back to what the Koran says on the subject. I remember one posting where you thought you were being watched by the FBI.

Just becasue they have a very corrupt sultan on the warpath in history does not make them trying to take over the world. Seems to me Wein has been sacked MANY times by xtrians...
So can you admit that xtrians are trying to take over the world then?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back.

WOW A FEW WARS!

WHOA HOLY SH!T HUMAN NATURE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD. I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!

Every culture has had some element of violence in it. Every period in human history has had some sort of violence between humans. I don't think violence discriminates on the basis of religion!

I don't think any single society has been as dedicated as Muslims to any long term goals. It is kind of admirable in a way. If it wasn't me and mine they wanted to take over, I would applaud!

What goal do the Muslims have now? Please share. I would love to see what you think their goal is.

I didn't even know Muslims were united. Wow.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

Really? Tell that to all the Westerners who go to the Muslim nations each year. Tell that to the non-Muslims living in their country.

Your history is flawed. History also says the white man hates blacks :roll:

You are the scholor on the Koran, you tell us what it says. This has all been covered here before and you and Sultan were very enlighting.

and I have said what about the Quran that makes you think Muslims are evil?

If you think I am out to kill you call the FBI. Also make sure you call the FBI because my parents work for the government.

Don't forget to tell the FBI there are 6-7 million terrorist in the United States.

When they hang up on you and laugh please tell me. I'd like a laugh.

Even Sultan the crazy guy who is being watched by the FBI is not out to get you or anyone else who is not Muslim. He is the most extreme Muslim on this board and if you honestly find him a threat then I pray you don't teach your daugther these values.

I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back. Say is isn't so! Now back to what the Koran says on the subject. I remember one posting where you thought you were being watched by the FBI.

I posted that the FBI keeps track of people going in out of certain mosque and people didn't believe me. If the mosque has links to countries or groups I think the FBI should and will keep track of everyone who goes into that mosque. I have no proof I was ever watched or not. I just laid out what I believed was a case. How does this prove your case that Muslims are out to takeover the world or are evil? It just proves what this OP is trying to say that "Mr.Bush is great he is protecting us now". Yeah, I dont know about that.

Maybe you should do a little history on world conflicts before you come to some conclusion that Muslims are out to takeover the world. You are saying non-Muslims have never tried to takeover the world?
OK. That is it? Surely you aren't saying Muslims are trying to takeover the world by just that. There has to be more.

Sure, non-muslims have tried to take over the world, but none have been so dedicated to it for so long. No other group had the instructions outlined in their religion.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

Really? Tell that to all the Westerners who go to the Muslim nations each year. Tell that to the non-Muslims living in their country.

Your history is flawed. History also says the white man hates blacks :roll:

You are the scholor on the Koran, you tell us what it says. This has all been covered here before and you and Sultan were very enlighting.

and I have said what about the Quran that makes you think Muslims are evil?

If you think I am out to kill you call the FBI. Also make sure you call the FBI because my parents work for the government.

Don't forget to tell the FBI there are 6-7 million terrorist in the United States.

When they hang up on you and laugh please tell me. I'd like a laugh.

Even Sultan the crazy guy who is being watched by the FBI is not out to get you or anyone else who is not Muslim. He is the most extreme Muslim on this board and if you honestly find him a threat then I pray you don't teach your daugther these values.

I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back. Say is isn't so! Now back to what the Koran says on the subject. I remember one posting where you thought you were being watched by the FBI.

I posted that the FBI keeps track of people going in out of certain mosque and people didn't believe me. If the mosque has links to countries or groups I think the FBI should and will keep track of everyone who goes into that mosque. I have no proof I was ever watched or not. I just laid out what I believed was a case. How does this prove your case that Muslims are out to takeover the world or are evil? It just proves what this OP is trying to say that "Mr.Bush is great he is protecting us now". Yeah, I dont know about that.

Maybe you should do a little history on world conflicts before you come to some conclusion that Muslims are out to takeover the world. You are saying non-Muslims have never tried to takeover the world?
OK. That is it? Surely you aren't saying Muslims are trying to takeover the world by just that. There has to be more.

Sure, non-muslims have tried to take over the world, but none have been so dedicated to it for so long. No other group had the instructions outlined in their religion.

Jews believe in the Old Testament. Do you see them following out the Old Testament?

Also everything you point out in the Quran has already been covered for you and answered in numerous threads.

 

[Steeplerot]

The xtrians have been hell-bent on domination for over 1000 years, whearas the muslims have been pretty much wanted to be left alone.
But whenever we fvck with them there IS hell to pay.
You know there is a great way for xtrians to not face this agression. LEAVE OTHER CULTURES ALONE.

 

[Steeplerot]

Quran or Koran? Some muslim bros of mine spell it Koran...weird

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Quran or Koran? Some muslim bros of mine spell it Koran...weird

Muslims pronounce it Quran while non-Muslims pronounce it Koran.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Quran or Koran? Some muslim bros of mine spell it Koran...weird

Quran is the literaly arabic transcribed I think. Koran is the pronunctian of Quran.

 

[Steeplerot]

gotcha thanks Aim and 0mar

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Quran or Koran? Some muslim bros of mine spell it Koran...weird

Quran is the literaly arabic transcribed I think. Koran is the pronunctian of Quran.

I didn't know that. Thanks. It makes sense that it would be in arabic.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Condor you have the traits of someone so enraptured with a certain set of ideas that no matter how much logic you throw at someone you just can't get through.
People get frustrated and just tell people what they want to hear to end a one-sided conversation. Seeing your postings here you remind me of one of those people to a T.
I am not trying to bash you I am just saying to remember to think critically of all idealogies especially your own. Time marches on and realities change unfortunaly some people just get stuck with whats comfortable to believe.

I'm afraid that my beliefs are based on reality and have been proven by time and experience. That is why I never have been convinced by mere postings. When life experience proves me wrong, I do pay attention, but only then. I started forming idealogies with a very different set of beliefs, pretty close to some that you verbalize in this venue. I had to change those. I hope you can hold to them. I think yours will change too. Time does march on, but reality does not change that much. An example of that is computer technology. Any computer is still made up of the same five basic building blocks that it was years ago. They are smaller and a lot faster, but still work pretty much the same way, from the one on my wrist to the one on my desk. They sure look a lot different though. That would fool some into thinking that there basics have changed. Their basics, like those of life are still the same.

You live in Alabama. I wonder how many mosque you have there. I wonder how many Muslims you know.

You didn't follow my threads very well. I have traveled a bit. I have just been back in Alabama since July. I am back here to do my retirement and die. I hope it takes a long time, but don't really care if it doesn't. No, I am not sucidial! I just accept reality and know that time moves on. The clock does not stop and there are no timeouts. I have also read a lot and a lot of diverse material. I can count a few Muslims as very good friends and a few that I wouldn't trust. One of them shook the Presidents hand in the Rose garden just a couple of years ago. I trust him. I also trust his wife who wants to do the Hage. Her husband says that he refuses because those Saudis are a bunch of crooks.

 

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Aimster

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Originally posted by: Aimster

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Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
Right now, we are no more and no less safe than we were before 9/11. What's that say about how effective Bush has been as a President? Actually, I'd say we really are less safe.

You may be right. But one has to consider that the Bush administration has not let another attack happen on America since 9/11.

Some might say the Iraq war created more terrorists, but i dont. those that were going to be terrorists anyway didnt care about the Iraq war. and those that hated us in the Arab and muslim world, hate us whether we went to war with Iraq or not.

but i think we could do a better public relations campaign with the muslim world, to help them better understand us.

It is true. They hated us so much before 9/11, it would be impossible for them to hate us any more. They have hated everyone not Muslim for 1400 years.

What an idiotic response. I hope it was being sarcastic. If not you sir are a fool.

History says that they have never accepted any religion but theirs and believe that it is proper to enslave or destroy the non-believers.

Really? Tell that to all the Westerners who go to the Muslim nations each year. Tell that to the non-Muslims living in their country.

Your history is flawed. History also says the white man hates blacks :roll:

You are the scholor on the Koran, you tell us what it says. This has all been covered here before and you and Sultan were very enlighting.

and I have said what about the Quran that makes you think Muslims are evil?

If you think I am out to kill you call the FBI. Also make sure you call the FBI because my parents work for the government.

Don't forget to tell the FBI there are 6-7 million terrorist in the United States.

When they hang up on you and laugh please tell me. I'd like a laugh.

Even Sultan the crazy guy who is being watched by the FBI is not out to get you or anyone else who is not Muslim. He is the most extreme Muslim on this board and if you honestly find him a threat then I pray you don't teach your daugther these values.

I didn't say that I thought that they are evil. I said that throughout history, Muslims have been trying to take over the world. The first time I realized this was in the museums in Vienna. Muslims had nearly captured Europe and had surrounded Vienna before they were beaten back. Say is isn't so! Now back to what the Koran says on the subject. I remember one posting where you thought you were being watched by the FBI.

Just becasue they have a very corrupt sultan on the warpath in history does not make them trying to take over the world. Seems to me Wein has been sacked MANY times by xtrians...
So can you admit that xtrians are trying to take over the world then?

Not for 1400 years!