<< there is Definatly a right and wrong ... it should be pretty easy to figure out ... things that harm yourself or others = wrong, things that do not harm anyone = right ...>>
That's just a silly statement. You know that things are far more complicated.
If you forgot: in order to create something, you must destroy something else.
That's just a silly statement. You know that things are far more complicated.
If you forgot: in order to create something, you must destroy something else.
wanna create our own religion czar?? 
get as many people as you can hyped up on acid and make them kill movie stars...oh...wait...
loos
get as many people as you can hyped up on acid and make them kill movie stars...oh...wait...
loos
i need proof that somethig exists for me to believe it.
can you prove to anyone that you have self-awareness?
can you prove that a sunset is beautiful? or not?
[edit] can you prove that anyone loves you?
personally, life wouldn't be the same if I didn't believe that anyone loved me[/edit]
logic and reason have their place, living and being go even further
(but I can't prove that to you)
can you prove to anyone that you have self-awareness?
can you prove that a sunset is beautiful? or not?
[edit] can you prove that anyone loves you?
personally, life wouldn't be the same if I didn't believe that anyone loved me[/edit]
logic and reason have their place, living and being go even further
(but I can't prove that to you)
<< can you prove that a sunset is beautiful? or not? >>
If one decides something is beautiful, it is an opinion, and cannot be proven true nor false.
Believe in what you want, and let me do the same. That is all that I ask out of people. If you choose to go to a church and pray, or reflect in solitude and pray, or scream hallelujah at random, or sacrifice goats, or not eat beef because they are holy, or to fast, or to journey to Mecca, or or or, please do so. All I ask is when I go to my place of worship (the mountain,) don't track out the good lines.
I am surprised at only one MrPALTROLL post in here.
Hmmmm.... this topic seems to come up quite a bit.
I don't advertise to anyone that I'm an Atheist. The subject usually comes up after someone starts talking about their beliefs and wants to know about my beliefs. I usually start out by explaining that I respect what others want to believe, but that I personally have not found any compelling reason to believe in or worship a deity.
I have then observed that most Christian Theists are bigots since they tend to react negatively to me labeling myself an Atheist.
Some of them are convinced that I need to be "saved" and that I just haven't "opened myself" to God or somesuch. Apparently I need to throw all sense and reason out of the window when it comes to believing in thier "God". This is rather difficult for me to do, being as I am an engineer, and am in the business of dealing with the tangible, the measurable and the provable.
Some of them are convinced that I'm evil/satanic or that I am going to hell. It's pretty funny to watch the transformation that can come over a theist who was just smiling and joking with you. They find out you are an Atheist and all of a sudden all of the propaganda from their church kicks in and they decide you are an "evil Atheist".
I have personally taken several religious studies classes and read quite a bit from the Bible, the Koran and several other religious texts.
The old testament of the bible clearly states that the Isrealites are deserving of the "promised land" and must cast out or slay all of those that are not of God's chosen people and under no circumstance should they "mingle" with them.
As someone pointed out, in the new testament, God becomes the happy Muffin Man or some equivalant of a compassionate loving God.
I have observed that the folks who beat on religion harder than anyone else, are often less capable of critical thinking.... they often prove this by hiding behind flimsy arguments when asked to explain certain things about their religion.
I have also observed that Eastern religions tend to be much more tolerant, and even welcome the sceptical and the Atheistic amongst us. Buddha was in all likelihood an Atheist or an Agnostic.
I don't advertise to anyone that I'm an Atheist. The subject usually comes up after someone starts talking about their beliefs and wants to know about my beliefs. I usually start out by explaining that I respect what others want to believe, but that I personally have not found any compelling reason to believe in or worship a deity.
I have then observed that most Christian Theists are bigots since they tend to react negatively to me labeling myself an Atheist.
Some of them are convinced that I need to be "saved" and that I just haven't "opened myself" to God or somesuch. Apparently I need to throw all sense and reason out of the window when it comes to believing in thier "God". This is rather difficult for me to do, being as I am an engineer, and am in the business of dealing with the tangible, the measurable and the provable.
Some of them are convinced that I'm evil/satanic or that I am going to hell. It's pretty funny to watch the transformation that can come over a theist who was just smiling and joking with you. They find out you are an Atheist and all of a sudden all of the propaganda from their church kicks in and they decide you are an "evil Atheist".
I have personally taken several religious studies classes and read quite a bit from the Bible, the Koran and several other religious texts.
The old testament of the bible clearly states that the Isrealites are deserving of the "promised land" and must cast out or slay all of those that are not of God's chosen people and under no circumstance should they "mingle" with them.
As someone pointed out, in the new testament, God becomes the happy Muffin Man or some equivalant of a compassionate loving God.
I have observed that the folks who beat on religion harder than anyone else, are often less capable of critical thinking.... they often prove this by hiding behind flimsy arguments when asked to explain certain things about their religion.
I have also observed that Eastern religions tend to be much more tolerant, and even welcome the sceptical and the Atheistic amongst us. Buddha was in all likelihood an Atheist or an Agnostic.
<< can you prove to anyone that you have self-awareness? >>
<< can you prove that a sunset is beautiful? or not? >>
i dont need to prove anything to anyone, as i am not trying to make people believe what i do. i dont care if you believe me or not. the point isnt whether you believe me or not, the point is whether i believe in myself. i dont have explain myself awareness to anyone.
loosbrew
Just don't pray to me. It implies that you could change my mind, which would logically contradict my perfection.
You know, next time I'll just PM you, UG. I'll get a faster response and I won't have to wade through the 45 posters who didn't read anything past the thread title and then felt the need to respond...
You know, next time I'll just PM you, UG. I'll get a faster response and I won't have to wade through the 45 posters who didn't read anything past the thread title and then felt the need to respond...
Rio,
I get so few PM's, I never look to see if the icon is blinking. There might not be much difference in wait time.
I get so few PM's, I never look to see if the icon is blinking. There might not be much difference in wait time.
i dont need to prove anything to anyone, as i am not trying to make people believe what i do. i dont care if you believe me or not. the point isnt whether you believe me or not, the point is whether i believe in myself. i dont have explain myself awareness to anyone.
I respect that entirely!
My peeve is from those who argue against the concept of god because of lack of proof, yet won't use the same arguement consistently regarding other concepts that they put "belief" into.
People use "proof" when it fits conveniently into their paradigm, then dismiss it's need when they see fit.
My tenet is that even science requires belief.
And what is so scary about believing?
I respect that entirely!
My peeve is from those who argue against the concept of god because of lack of proof, yet won't use the same arguement consistently regarding other concepts that they put "belief" into.
People use "proof" when it fits conveniently into their paradigm, then dismiss it's need when they see fit.
My tenet is that even science requires belief.
And what is so scary about believing?
<<My tenet is that even science requires belief.
And what is so scary about believing? >>
You know, that was something which is true:
Everything requires belief. Not just believing in some god(s), but also whether that what's on the news is true, or that what in some advertisement stands is actually true. Even your own existance requires belief, or that what you're sitting on now is made out of wood/metal/any other material.
The scary thing about believing? There is none, unless you're afraid of life itself, for life equals believing.
And what is so scary about believing? >>
You know, that was something which is true:
Everything requires belief. Not just believing in some god(s), but also whether that what's on the news is true, or that what in some advertisement stands is actually true. Even your own existance requires belief, or that what you're sitting on now is made out of wood/metal/any other material.
The scary thing about believing? There is none, unless you're afraid of life itself, for life equals believing.
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