Did you discover your atheism for yourself?

[UG]

RioRebel,

<...you who flatly deny any possibility of God,...>

I flatly deny possessing unambiguous evidence that compells me personally to conclude god(s) exist(s). Were the soldiers of god able to provide me with compelling evidence, well, then I'd perhaps change my mind. You see, there's a possibility right there. Your generalization is proven false.

<...smugly ridicule those who disagree...>

So, its my attitude that raises the froth? I turn the other cheek so that you may ridicule me still more, thereby once again dragging yourself down to my level.

<...I won't mention names, but his initials are UG...>

That is my name here, liar.

<...Isn't your atheism really very tangential to the question of God's existence...>

Actually, I am of the opinion that god(s) indeed are tangential to our existence and origin and of no consequence in the actual scheme of life, that is they aren't beyond what we imagine because it suits us to do so.

<...Can you honestly say that you came to your beliefs through objectivity,..>

I've come to my current personal conclusions assisted in some small part by subjective emotion. For the most part I've come to them through skepticism and criticality, two components of objectivity. Certainly, you cannot deny that I am both skeptical and critical?

<...Are you REALLY content with your conclusion,..>

Yes, yes I am. I am also content with the prospect of someday changing my mind should I find some compelling reason to do so.

<...does it haunt you to the point that you must constantly feed your doubts by sucking out the faith of those with less ability to reason..>

Encouraging people to entertain skepticism and critical thinking is not sucking the faith out of people, it's introducing them to other options they may find equally satisfying and personally rewarding.

 

[SirFshAlot]

Were the soldiers of god able to provide me with compelling evidence

what would you consider &quot;compelling evidence&quot;?

would you limit your evidence to scientific basis?

is there a possibility of you being open to spiritual enlightenment?

consider the hypothetical(scientific term) possibility that there were a god; and part of this god's attributes were that he/she/it didn't allow for direct evidence available to the common 5 senses, and you, personally, didn't accept anything but what was available to the 5 senses
do you see a conundrum with this hypothetical situation?



what happens when you use a yardstick to weigh an object?

 

[Zucchini]

consider the hypothetical(scientific term) possibility that there were a god; and part of this god's attributes were that he/she/it didn't allow for direct evidence available to the common 5 senses, and you, personally, didn't accept anything but what was available to the 5 senses

For what rational reason would GOD need to do this? Especially if you think GOD wants to be worshipped. Seems to be an arbitrary rule that is out of sync with the rest of creation.

 

[SirFshAlot]

Zuchini,
For what rational reason would GOD need to do this

are you so arrogant and full of yourself that you can't fathom anything being able to exist that is beyond your comprehension?

 

[Zucchini]

SirFishboy,

I guess you don't fully read threads or messages before you jump in to comment. I think i already pointed out that i was agnostic..meaning your statement was beyond groundless. Anything is possible, but some things are less likely. I asked a question, why i asked. Your reply? &quot;are you so arrogant and full of yourself that you can't fathom anything being able to exist that is beyond your comprehension? &quot; I insight such anger hehe.

by definition an all powerful all knowing god could easily make his presence known, did i say that couldn't be true?

and to elaborate on your conundrum a god that did that would seem to be hiding. As for senses, science can make up for the lack of senses. Even if all humans were color blind, we could indirectly measure color. We might not experience it, but measuring wavelengths would still be possible.

and what do you mean limit evidence to scientific basis? What other evidence is there?

 

[wviperw]

I don't see how any of us can be able to choose a belief. Its all subjective, being based on environment and stuff like that. I think the one question that we must answer is whether there is a God. Except we can't answer that question because that decision would be based on how you were raised and how you think. I don't think it would be fair for &quot;God&quot; to create some people that couldn't possibly believe in him, and make others who do.

The whole question REALLY annoys me because I can't answer it. If you had to label me, I guess I would be agnostic...

 

[SirFshAlot]

Zuchini,

SirFishboy?
am I communicating with a juvenile?
I'll speak slower for you, if need be.

I guess you don't fully read threads or messages before you jump in to comment.
can you specify what construct or methodology you used to arrive at that conclusion?

I insight such anger[/b]
again, could you explain how you arrived at such a conclusion?

Is it that you, personally, get angered when others don't agree with you on the internet, and therefore, project onto others the same fallible trait?


and what do you mean limit evidence to scientific basis? What other evidence is there?
unlimited
and you will always be stifled til you open yourself to that concept

 

[Zucchini]

wow, one long qoute. The reason i came to that conclusion is simple. I am an agnostic, as stated previously in the thread. You accused me of something which is not possible based on the definition of an agnostic. Quite logical.. no?


As for naming you fishboy, yes, i'll admit that was juvenille of me. It is however much less then was thrown at me.


as for unlimited evidence? Thats just silly, that allows for false evidence.

 

[Howard]

Boberfett, did you know that Hitler believed in God? He actually thought that he was doing God a favor by eliminating the Jews?

be moral because it's the right thing to do? Without God there is no universal right and wrong. Without a single definition of right and wrong (which God is), right and wrong, good and evil, they're all subjective terms. Hitler thought he was right and if God doesn't exist then he was, since right and wrong are left to the individual to determine.

 

[Howard]

Boberfett, did you know that Hitler believed in God? He actually thought that he was doing God a favor by eliminating the Jews?

 

[MustangSVT]

HOW ABOUT WE SETTLE THIS ON A MATCH OF CS? SINCE U TAKE US AS EVIL PPL OR SOMETHING WE ATHEISTS WILL BE T's AND U CHRISTIANS CAN BE CT!!!


now we need a map called heaven and hell and some one to serve it!!

hehe sorry im kinda in hot headed mode and cant be serious now

 

[NovaTerra]

<< Did you &quot;discover&quot; this line of reasoning on your own? Or is it a simple extension of the childish desire to please the 'teacher' by forming an argument to conclude what you think the teacher wants you to conclude? >>



Are you saying that teachers are Atheist?

One also has to wonder if the purpose of the post was really just a meaningless excuse to generate a lot of responses.



<< Isn't your atheism really very tangential to the question of God's existence, and more an intellectual statement against the mindlessness of the religious herd? >>



This statement really is flawed logically. It assumes that an Atheist's views are wrong without discussing why you think they are wrong.



<< Are you REALLY content with your conclusion, or does it haunt you to the point that you must constantly feed your doubts by sucking out the faith of those with less ability to reason...... >>



One could turn this statement on it's head and ask why Theists insist that God be brought back into the schools and everywhere else that the law has decided it does not belong. Is the belief in God that we worship so weak that we have to constantly fight to force our beliefs on those who want nothing to do with us? Is our trust in the power of God so slight that we have to attack any voice that opposes us?

Additionaly, your statement also makes a couple of interesting assumptions...are you assuming that Theists are inherently less intelligent, or are you making a blanket statement that you think Atheists feel they are intellectually superior?

When reading your post as a whole, it seems that you have not carefully thought out what you wanted to say. I doubt if you were trying to be vague on purpose. But I will not make a philisophical contribution to this thread, unless you want to be more clear on what you were trying to say.

 

[hippy]

Uh... is it me, or have all theists and atheists got their egos stuck up their butts so hard/far that they forgot about us agnostics?


Damn! If there is a god or the son of... they both gotta be shakin their heads right about now.

 

[Zucchini]

It makes no sense that god would shake his head at debate.. especially as an agnostic.

 

[UG]

Hippy,

By sitting on the fence, all you get is piss'd on from both sides.

Oh, and inconvenient calluses, too.

 

[hippy]

Maybe so, maybe so... But I do get to see the Sun rise and fall.


Check it out some time... Tis a beautiful sight.

 

[UG]

I dare say I've seen more, and in greater detail, than the average bear.

 

[hippy]

Cool! Then maybe you wouldn't mind helping me figger out what the word pompous means?

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

the number of elite members sure have grown quickly. (no implication intended)

 

[UG]

Pompous: auto-stimulated, female anatomical region.

 

[hippy]

LMAO@UG

 

[Elledan]

<<Damn! If there is a god or the son of... they both gotta be shakin their heads right about now.>>

Ah... that reminds me of that tiny little question:

&quot;Out of which material does (a) god(s) exist? Are they carbon-based life-forms like all life-forms on Earth?&quot;

Everything is build up out of something, and no, 'spiritual dust' isn't the right answer.

 

[loosbrew]

i dont give myself any names. athiest? whats that? i know what i believe, and thats in truth. i believe in reason and science. i need proof that somethig exists for me to believe it. now when people talk about god and jesus and such, i cant deny that jesus is real. he very well couldve been. no one can prove to me that god is real. god never had any kind of physical existence. i dont waste my time worrying about the punishments and such and such for my actions. if i decide to do something, its because I decided to do it. no one makes me do anything. i dont need the support of a supreme being to make me get through the day. i dont need the security that the thought that something watching over yougives to some people. i dont need a parent for the rest of my life. i dont need any one telling me what is right and what is wrong. i dont need anyone to judge me by what i dont believe in, just by my actions. because i dont believe in religions, doesnt mean i am a bad person or im going to hell...i dont believe in hell. i dont belive in life after death. i dont believe in reincarnation. i do think that some form of organized religion can be useful, but IT IS VERY HARD to manage that. people get all gung ho about making everyone belong to thier cult. i was listening to a christisn radio station the other night, as i always do for a good laugh, and some priest was complaining about how only 1-2 percent of the people in japan are christian. why is that so bad? why cant you be happy with your own beliefs and leave other people alone. of all the religions in the world christianity is one of the dirtiest, less pretty and destructive. maybe i am wrong, but i dont care what you think...


loos

 

[BurnItDwn]

when i was about 10 i decided there was no god and all religions were just bs

currently i realize there is a possibility of some type of god ... but i highly doubt it as there is no evidense or proof of it at all.

also ... i do not understand why people follow organized religion, don't they realize that all they are is self promoting organizations that try to feed people myths.

there are people who still dont believe in evolution ... even though there has been conclusive proof for many many years ...

people believe what they are told and i just dont understand it

 

[BurnItDwn]

there is Definatly a right and wrong ... it should be pretty easy to figure out ... things that harm yourself or others = wrong, things that do not harm anyone = right ...

its that easy


for example

Killing ... its wrong ... there is really no reason to justify killing ... except possibly avenging the killing of another ...

Stealing ... its wrong ... there is really no way to justify stealing as a good thing ... unless its absolutely necessary for survival ..


this is not something god has to tell me .. .its something im able to figure out on my own ...


hmmm do i liek it if somebody takes my stuff ... NO ... then why would i do that to somebody else ...

there is a definitive right and wrong and it may vary slighly case to case ... but its not something that any religion or person can teach you ... its something common sense and human decency tells you