Did the cops do the right thing?

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waggy

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Phocas
So killing them or at very least putting their lives in jeopardy is ok? Not to mention other peoples lives?

The SUV driver is who put others' lives at risk; the police did what they did to stop the risk of innocent lives being lost. Maiming/killing a criminal who is endangering the lives of police and/or innocents is acceptable to me. Plus, to be quite blunt, I'm not disappointed in the least to see this excellent example of what warning labels have done to our society leave the gene pool.

Criminal? She was speeding. That makes her a criminal? I am not in the least bit condoning what she did, but this has become an all to familar outcome. Police officers are suppose to be able to think of ways to diffuse a situation under pressure. But like in this situation as well as many others they crack under pressure.

uhm yes speeding and running from the cops does make you criminal.
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Phocas
So killing them or at very least putting their lives in jeopardy is ok? Not to mention other peoples lives?

The SUV driver is who put others' lives at risk; the police did what they did to stop the risk of innocent lives being lost. Maiming/killing a criminal who is endangering the lives of police and/or innocents is acceptable to me. Plus, to be quite blunt, I'm not disappointed in the least to see this excellent example of what warning labels have done to our society leave the gene pool.

Criminal? She was speeding. That makes her a criminal? I am not in the least bit condoning what she did, but this has become an all to familar outcome. Police officers are suppose to be able to think of ways to diffuse a situation under pressure. But like in this situation as well as many others they crack under pressure.

Yes, speeding at speeds of excess of 100MPH is against the law. I'm glad they did what they did - the bitch shouldn't have ran and put the lives of everyone else on the highway at risk. She ran, and the odds weren't in her favor.

 

Andrew111

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I'll rehash what I said in the original thread:

She was endangering the lives of everyone else on the road and the cop stopped the stupid POS before causing a ten car pile up. It isn't the cops fault that she is a complete retard and ran just for a suspended license and I know they thought it had to be something more serious for her to run for so long. The cops didn't know why she was running...dead body in the trunk, passenger is Osama Bin Laden, they don't know.

She had 70 miles to rethink her actions and pull the car over but she didn't......she killed herself and the passenger. She would have killed more innocent people too if they let her go further.....I wouldn't expect anything less from someone stupid enough to run from the cops for such a trivial thing. She wouldn't have stopped running until it happened.......
 

Wuffsunie

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I have no sympathy for the driver. In fact, it would take two of me to care less.

Really, I wouldn't mind seeing attack choppers used in situations like this. Accuracy of modern choppers has already been well proven, and they'd save all those unsightly court and incarceration costs. 'Course they could only be used in situations like this, with lots of open road.
 

tRaptor

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I am also glad they did what they did. I DO however think that it is a shame that they both died.

I dont really like it when people say they should have just let her go, sure they had her plates, but best case say "they let her go" WTF do you think she is going to do? Just slow down and continue driving like normal? I seriously doubt it, she is going to contine to to "get away", get somewhere safe, In the time that it takes them to get the road clear so that they can set the roadblock/spikes/whatever she MAY verywell have slamed into someone, perhaps causing a multi car crash, maybe 2 cars, maybe 20 we dont know. Maybe it could have been your car? maybe it was your wifes/best friend/mom's car that she took out with her. WE DONT KNOW.

What i'm saying is that even if they had "let her go" i beleive that she would have still traveled at least CLOSE to the 100+ speeds she was already going.

Also, I know that no training is perfect, but are cops not trained to follow high speed runners?

And another thing, I relaize that you could argue that by having the cops right behind her durring the shase that SHE would be more likley to crash, but I still think that the risk she had against the other people on the road was FAR greater.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: FleshLight
Well if we're venturing into the hypothetical realm, what if the cops called off the chase and she lost control and plowed into a van full of preschoolers and rammed them into a tree? We just don't know...
What actually DID happen is that the Georgia State Patrol performed an extremely dangerous PIT maneuver causing a driver guilty of ONLY a misdemeanor to lose control and plow into a tree, killing her and her innocent passenger. But it's okay, because she was a criminal! :roll:

Not quite. Evading arrest and crossing state lines is a bit more than a misdemeanor. Hell in most states vehicular evading arrest is a felony that will send you to the state penn.
 

DigitalXtreme

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
They shoulda done like This guy.

Thanks a lot for that link

And btw ... in response to the original question ... I 100% agree with what the GA State Trooper did. He helped take a dangerous driver off the road. Thats my $.02 for the whole thing

DX
 

DrPizza

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Actually, cases like this that get a lot of media attention may make other people think twice before attempting to flee from police... once it's well known that all you have to do is speed and you're pretty likely to get away with whatever it is you did, then more and more people will be doing it.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: DaiShan
Originally posted by: rpl318
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: flloyd
Definitely. Evading police, particularly at extremely high speeds on busy highways, is one thing that I don't belive the public or police should have any tolerance of. It is unfortunate that they chose to run when they had relatively minor infractions but the fact remains that they made that decision for themselves. Imagine the outrage had the SUV rear ended a family of four at 100 MPH. And no jumper the police did not kill them, the driver killed themselves.
What if the police had hit an uninvolved motorist in the process of chasing this driver? Is it okay to kill an innocent bystander in the name of 'justice?' Keep in mind, the only crime the offending driver committed was DWLS, which is a misdemeanor in Michigan.

So the police should never chase somebody who runs if they didn't commit a serious crime?

The use of a helicopter was suggested. The girl was an idiot for running, and I wonder what her reasons were, but still she is now DEAD because someone had to be a cowboy. I understand the tactic employed generally cuts off gas to the engine, I'm just not sure why they felt the need to force a 360 while in the left hand lane of the interstate, ESPECIALLY with an SUV. If they had flipped it and it tumbled into the right hand lane it could have killed a LOT more people, and over what? A speeding ticket? Follow her with the helicopter and arrest her when she stops.

You guys dont know the legal system, in most states you will spend time in the state penn for vehicular evading arrest. Unless you have a pristine record or a high price lawyer. Vehicular evading arrest is a serious offense. Not saying that warranted them taking her life, but that wasnt exactly the plan.
 

Viperoni

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It would have been nice if they surrounded the SUV, but they stoped the chase and that's what was important.
 

Squisher

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Tough call. At those speeds you have a very high probability that you're going to kill the occupants.

 

bootymac

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I would've done it True Crimes style: gas tank shot ;)

Ohhhhhhhhhh sh1t it's dim sum time!
 

OffTopic1

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Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: eigen
Agreed.People get so worked up about the word criminal,everyone on this board breaks on average 14 laws a day.It is a travesty that this happened. The police should aslo consider this from a liability issue, the innocent womans family is gonna sue ( and I hope win).They should have followed her from a helicopter, she was no danger to others, before the chase began.
Wrong. She was already doing 21mph over the speed limit before the chase began.
Public debates patrol's decision

Authorities still don't know why Katie Sharp, 21, of Holly Hill, Fla., didn't stop for deputies when they got behind her after clocking her at 86 mph in a 70 mph zone in Colleton County.

Yes, it true that she ran (could be from panic) and it may be that there were no trafic when she was clock at 86 in a 70 zone.

Police end car chases with a spin

"It's an incredibly effective tool at low speeds and good locations, and I absolutely agree with the department (changing its chase policy)," said Geoffrey Alpert, who studies police pursuit policies and heads the criminal justice department at the University of South Carolina.

"A lot of times, different departments will PIT a car, it spins out of control and takes off in the other direction. Once it's spun around, you have to block it."

Police agencies rarely use the PIT maneuver during fast chases. Officers often lack the ideal conditions: lower speeds and unobstructed shoulders.

Police also learn to avoid using the PIT with certain types of vehicles, such as SUVs or large passenger vans. Vehicles with a high center of gravity easily roll when hit from behind.

Officers in Georgia last week followed neither of the above. State troopers on Interstate 95 attempted to PIT a Nissan Pathfinder on Aug. 17 at speeds in excess of 110 miles per hour. Two people in the SUV died.


IMHO, I think the cops are trying to be cowboys, because 2 lives are now lost due to negligence.
 

Orsorum

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The girl should not have been driving in the first place, with the reflexes and coping skills that she apparently possessed.

OMG, the cops are trying to pull me over for speeding, I should GO FASTER. That'll be a wise decision and keep myself and the people in my car safe!

The cops did the right thing and did what they were trained for, but their training should be reviewed so that such casualties are minimized.
 

Snapster

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Police should have used spikes, rolling road block or similar to slow the vehicle down to safer pit manoeuvre speeds.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: OffTopic
IMHO, I think the cops are trying to be cowboys, because 2 lives are now lost due to negligence.

Much better if they'd lost control of the vehicle due to speed and hit someone, or someone unknowingly pulled out in front of them, etc etc etc, yes? Would you prefer they'd gone on to hit you or someone you love? :roll:
 

Doboji

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Well see when you run from the police at 100+ mph for 60 miles.... you're not only risking your own life, you're risking the lives of hundreds of innocent people. The police officer did not intend to kill the driver, it was an accident. They don't call it risk for nothing.

However, my sick twisted mind asks.... I wonder if she was hot.

-Max
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Well see when you run from the police at 100+ mph for 60 miles.... you're not only risking your own life, you're risking the lives of hundreds of innocent people. The police officer did not intend to kill the driver, it was an accident. They don't call it risk for nothing.

However, my sick twisted mind asks.... I wonder if she was hot.

-Max

My guess is very skanky.
 

Amused

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I think the cops were fully justified.

The drivers, no matter what their crime was before, were now endangerng everyone on the road. The cops could have no idea what they were running for in the first place, so to fault them after the fact is nothing but a case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

The ONLY cause for loss of life here are the actions of the person driving that SUV.