Did the cops do the right thing?

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
yeah, it's totally ok to receive the death penalty without trial for allegedly speeding and evading an officer, and also to receive the death penalty for being a passenger in a car.

way to go, cops.

:|

oh please, do you really think the cops intended to kill her? :roll:

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: sniperruff
its her parent's fault for not buying a volvo, or a H2

Absolutely. The H2 would have exploded in a firey inferno, which makes for a better clip.

 

[RagingBITCH]

REPOST

 

[Darilus]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
yeah, it's totally ok to receive the death penalty without trial for allegedly speeding and evading an officer, and also to receive the death penalty for being a passenger in a car.

way to go, cops.

:|

First off, "allegedly" speeding? I don't think the speeding was in doubt.

Second, last I knew most cops are permitted the use of deadly force when deemed necessary to protect the lives of innocents. They don't stop and give you a trial if you're trying to kill someone, they stop you.

I don't think the driver deserved to die, but she took the risk, and this was the price she paid. It's unfortunate that she took her passenger along with her, but it's still done.

 

[MrCodeDude]

I think the driver deserved to die. Just natural selection. Better her than someone she slams into at high speeds.

Passenger might have been innocent, might-not have been. Who knows. Can't turn back time now and figure that out though.

 

[Cogman]

Yes the police did the right thing. If they deployed helecopters it would have AT LEAST been 30 mins before a chopper could get in range. Thats 30mins of high speed driving. Chances are they would have crashed and killed someone who did NOTHING wrong. As for the car hitting someone with the pit manuver, If you listened the cop waited for the road to clear up a little before preforming the task, so they where thinking about the safty of others when they did it.

the driver got what s/he deserved, but I do feal bad for the possibility that the passenger might not have wanted to participate.

 

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: jumpr
What actually DID happen is that the Georgia State Patrol performed an extremely dangerous PIT maneuver causing a driver guilty of ONLY a misdemeanor to lose control and plow into a tree, killing her and her innocent passenger. But it's okay, because she was a criminal! :roll:

I read all your posts Jumpr, I am just quoting one to keep the quote chain down. There are a few misconceptions in your arguments which I will attempt to point out without insulting you .

#1. She was guilty of FAR more than just DWOL. She refused to stop for blue lights, ran from the cops, endangered every driver's life on the road. In Illinois fleeing from the cops is not a misdemeanor, it is punishable by 5-7 years (IIRC).

#2. Breaking off the persuit would not have ended the danger to the driver or anyone else. The driver was doing almost 90 when the cops first tried to pull her over. She was then chased for over an hour by a ton of cops. Do you think that as soon as the chase is over she will slow down and start doing the speed limit? hell no. She would run like a bat out of hell until she was in a safe location. Or she would have tried to loose the helio.

#3. The clip said the only PREVIOUS infraction was DWOL. Last I checked cops are not supernatural, and can not read minds. How were they supposed to know who was driving? they may have just shot someone, robbed a bank, had a nuke onboard, etc. THEY DON"T KNOW. They can't know unless the DRIVER STOPS. If the driver doesn't stop, they need to BE STOPPED by the cops. Until such time as there is a ray gun available to stop a vehicle, spike strips and the PIT are the few ways to stop the vehicle. At any speed, the PIT manuver is dangerous, usually for the person fleeing.

#4. All the driver had to do was pull over. IT WAS THE DRIVER'S choice to not stop. The only person to blame for this incident IS THE DRIVER. In fact, I would not be supprised if the driver is also found guilty of manslaughter of the passenger.

I am sad that the driver and passenger were killed. But the cops did what they had to do, and when it presented the lowest danger to other drivers on the road. I applaud the cops, and the persuit lead.

Very well put, and i agree with most of it 100%

i know that if for ANY reason (bored, had just robbed a bank, was DWSL and freaked out) i was driving at speeds of over 100mph in an SUV that at any freaking MOMENT i could die, via tire blow out, hitting something, losing control, ect. Hell i'd be GLAD an officer tried to stop me with the PIT manuver and i damn sure know I deserve to die for endangering other "innocent" lives out on the road by driving like a fvcking idiot.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Yes the police did the right thing. If they deployed helecopters it would have AT LEAST been 30 mins before a chopper could get in range. Thats 30mins of high speed driving. Chances are they would have crashed and killed someone who did NOTHING wrong. As for the car hitting someone with the pit manuver, If you listened the cop waited for the road to clear up a little before preforming the task, so they where thinking about the safty of others when they did it.

the driver got what s/he deserved, but I do feal bad for the possibility that the passenger might not have wanted to participate.

Sorry I'm not letting the passenger off the hook on this one. It isn't very difficult to reach over and turn off the key.

 

[whattaguy]

The cops did the right thing, but maybe they should have made the car spin out the other way. I don't think the car would jump over the railing in on-coming traffic.
It was just a poor choice by the driver with a really unfortunate outcome.

 

[crazycarl]

I have little to no sympathy for the passengers in the pathfinder. they obviously were rich kids full of themselves and figured they were above the law. i see many SUV drivers, often quite young, who endanger many other's lives on the freeway in my state with little to no consequences. i am glad they are taking a stand against this nonsense somewhere at least.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: crazycarl
I have little to no sympathy for the passengers in the pathfinder. they obviously were rich kids full of themselves and figured they were above the law. i see many SUV drivers, often quite young, who endanger many other's lives on the freeway in my state with little to no consequences. i am glad they are taking a stand against this nonsense somewhere at least.

i dislike SUV drivers as well but there's a difference between disliking someone and what you're saying. you're stupid.

 

[classy]

I don't know. What I don't get is why not run the plates. See if there is a reason why this person is running. If nothing comes up, take the tags, and pick them up later. I question this one. Its tough, but its not like they couldn't have arrested her later.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: classy
I don't know. What I don't get is why not run the plates. See if there is a reason why this person is running. If nothing comes up, take the tags, and pick them up later. I question this one. Its tough, but its not like they couldn't have arrested her later.

and if the car is stolen?

and Had not been reported stolen?

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: classy
I don't know. What I don't get is why not run the plates. See if there is a reason why this person is running. If nothing comes up, take the tags, and pick them up later. I question this one. Its tough, but its not like they couldn't have arrested her later.

and if the car is stolen?

and Had not been reported stolen?

Thats my point. If it is stolen or something came across where there might have been a hold up and the car matches a description. Like I said its a tough call, but at those speeds, its not worth it for stopping someone for speeding. And what if that vehicle flips completely around and is now facing head on with on coming traffic. Even though she was endangering the lives of others, they compounded the problem. Just pick her up later, no big deal. I think this one was a mistake.

 

[Koing]

Well I also think the point of not just letting the car go is that EVERONE will be doing it. If they know and THINK they can get away if the cops don't go after them if they go 100mph. They will MOST definately try speeding away and having the cops not chase after them. They maybe be caught afterwards but that isn't a deterrent to them.

She had what was coming to her imo. If you run away from cops that stuff is going to happen. Sad she died but it wasn't as if she didn't know it could happen.

Koing

 

My brother was hit by a guy running from the cops on the wrong side of the highway, the chase was on a busy street and they didnt even have their sirens on. Stupid cops in Cocoa FL. They need to know when to say when.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: rpl318

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: flloyd
Definitely. Evading police, particularly at extremely high speeds on busy highways, is one thing that I don't belive the public or police should have any tolerance of. It is unfortunate that they chose to run when they had relatively minor infractions but the fact remains that they made that decision for themselves. Imagine the outrage had the SUV rear ended a family of four at 100 MPH. And no jumper the police did not kill them, the driver killed themselves.

What if the police had hit an uninvolved motorist in the process of chasing this driver? Is it okay to kill an innocent bystander in the name of 'justice?' Keep in mind, the only crime the offending driver committed was DWLS, which is a misdemeanor in Michigan.

So the police should never chase somebody who runs if they didn't commit a serious crime?

The use of a helicopter was suggested. The girl was an idiot for running, and I wonder what her reasons were, but still she is now DEAD because someone had to be a cowboy. I understand the tactic employed generally cuts off gas to the engine, I'm just not sure why they felt the need to force a 360 while in the left hand lane of the interstate, ESPECIALLY with an SUV. If they had flipped it and it tumbled into the right hand lane it could have killed a LOT more people, and over what? A speeding ticket? Follow her with the helicopter and arrest her when she stops.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: rpl318

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: flloyd
Definitely. Evading police, particularly at extremely high speeds on busy highways, is one thing that I don't belive the public or police should have any tolerance of. It is unfortunate that they chose to run when they had relatively minor infractions but the fact remains that they made that decision for themselves. Imagine the outrage had the SUV rear ended a family of four at 100 MPH. And no jumper the police did not kill them, the driver killed themselves.

What if the police had hit an uninvolved motorist in the process of chasing this driver? Is it okay to kill an innocent bystander in the name of 'justice?' Keep in mind, the only crime the offending driver committed was DWLS, which is a misdemeanor in Michigan.

So the police should never chase somebody who runs if they didn't commit a serious crime?

The use of a helicopter was suggested. The girl was an idiot for running, and I wonder what her reasons were, but still she is now DEAD because someone had to be a cowboy. I understand the tactic employed generally cuts off gas to the engine, I'm just not sure why they felt the need to force a 360 while in the left hand lane of the interstate, ESPECIALLY with an SUV. If they had flipped it and it tumbled into the right hand lane it could have killed a LOT more people, and over what? A speeding ticket? Follow her with the helicopter and arrest her when she stops.

Thats how I feel about it as well. Its not like they don't have an address for the vehicle. Just arrest her later.

 

Originally posted by: Koing
Well I also think the point of not just letting the car go is that EVERONE will be doing it. If they know and THINK they can get away if the cops don't go after them if they go 100mph. They will MOST definately try speeding away and having the cops not chase after them. They maybe be caught afterwards but that isn't a deterrent to them.

She had what was coming to her imo. If you run away from cops that stuff is going to happen. Sad she died but it wasn't as if she didn't know it could happen.

Koing

So killing them or at very least putting their lives in jeopardy is ok? Not to mention other peoples lives?

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Phocas

Originally posted by: Koing
Well I also think the point of not just letting the car go is that EVERONE will be doing it. If they know and THINK they can get away if the cops don't go after them if they go 100mph. They will MOST definately try speeding away and having the cops not chase after them. They maybe be caught afterwards but that isn't a deterrent to them.

She had what was coming to her imo. If you run away from cops that stuff is going to happen. Sad she died but it wasn't as if she didn't know it could happen.

Koing

So killing them or at very least putting their lives in jeopardy is ok? Not to mention other peoples lives?

They put their lives in jeopardy as well as others prior to the chase. They were already traveling at excessive speeds and chose to evade the law.

 

Originally posted by: Koing
Well I also think the point of not just letting the car go is that EVERONE will be doing it. If they know and THINK they can get away if the cops don't go after them if they go 100mph. They will MOST definately try speeding away and having the cops not chase after them. They maybe be caught afterwards but that isn't a deterrent to them.

She had what was coming to her imo. If you run away from cops that stuff is going to happen. Sad she died but it wasn't as if she didn't know it could happen.

Koing

And another thing, there is a difference between backing off and/or calling for helicopter backup and doing what this asshat did.

 

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: Phocas

Originally posted by: Koing
Well I also think the point of not just letting the car go is that EVERONE will be doing it. If they know and THINK they can get away if the cops don't go after them if they go 100mph. They will MOST definately try speeding away and having the cops not chase after them. They maybe be caught afterwards but that isn't a deterrent to them.

She had what was coming to her imo. If you run away from cops that stuff is going to happen. Sad she died but it wasn't as if she didn't know it could happen.

Koing

So killing them or at very least putting their lives in jeopardy is ok? Not to mention other peoples lives?

They put their lives in jeopardy as well as others prior to the chase. They were already traveling at excessive speeds and chose to evade the law.

True, but common sense can tell you (not to mention that they are cops and know first hand what can happen) that doing that to an SUV at that speed is going to flip it. I am in no way condoning what these people that died did, but that is excessive force. My point is that other measures should have been taken.

*edit*
I mean seriously, what the hell did the cops expect when they were doing that? Did they expect it to skid to the shoulder and stop? I mean, give me a break.

 

[thejackal1]

I think they did the right thing.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Phocas
So killing them or at very least putting their lives in jeopardy is ok? Not to mention other peoples lives?

The SUV driver is who put others' lives at risk; the police did what they did to stop the risk of innocent lives being lost. Maiming/killing a criminal who is endangering the lives of police and/or innocents is acceptable to me. Plus, to be quite blunt, I'm not disappointed in the least to see this excellent example of what warning labels have done to our society leave the gene pool.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Phocas
So killing them or at very least putting their lives in jeopardy is ok? Not to mention other peoples lives?

The SUV driver is who put others' lives at risk; the police did what they did to stop the risk of innocent lives being lost. Maiming/killing a criminal who is endangering the lives of police and/or innocents is acceptable to me. Plus, to be quite blunt, I'm not disappointed in the least to see this excellent example of what warning labels have done to our society leave the gene pool.

Criminal? She was speeding. That makes her a criminal? I am not in the least bit condoning what she did, but this has become an all to familar outcome. Police officers are suppose to be able to think of ways to diffuse a situation under pressure. But like in this situation as well as many others they crack under pressure.