Did Judge Kavanaugh

[zinfamous]

WAPO, Yahoo News and the NY Times authors themselves frame it as exactly that. The Atlantic has a rather long article on the subject that, if anything, characterized the accusations as inconclusive.

Maybe you should get off Twitter and this thread.

You just said that there is no "litany of accounts" yet cite the Atlantic in your defense as detailing this "litany of accounts" ....but only that they are inconclusive?

So is there a "litany of accounts," or not?

First: why is it fine to not bother investigating such accounts in order to better determine their accuracy?
Second: what does that have to do with confirmation hearings or a possible impeachment? None of that is really necessary. It is entirely political, and it is entirely based on character. Preponderance of evidence, apparently established by the Atlantic article that you mention, is a very good place to start.

 

[zinfamous]

This whole penis thing is getting ridiculous and going flaccid fast...
This is the Dem's new level. They have no policy to run on, so smears are all they have. I don't think the American people are dumb enough to continue to fall for this shit, but we will see in 2020.

LMAO! The absolute temerity of a gleeful Trump nuthugger to make such a claim. Fucking mindboggling how gaslit you chumps are.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

LMAO! The absolute temerity of a gleeful Trump nuthugger to make such a claim. Fucking mindboggling how gaslit you chumps are.

I’ll agree with him in a sense, he’s not getting impeached so deal with it.
What happened to healthcare and student loans? Those are basic issues the House can talk about and have a chance of getting something done on.
Even if nothing happens they are good things to speak about.

 

[dank69]

So we have at least seven other people who recall hearing about this incident where friends of a drunk Brett “The Penis” Kavanaugh grabbed his penis and pushed it into the hands of a woman at a college frat party. So who’s responsible here, Kav or his friends?

Certainly not the guy who pulled his dick out and positioned it close enough to a woman's face that a friend could push it into her.

 

[mect]

So then bring charges against him for sexual assault in a court of law.

First of all, you can't due to the statute of limitations.

Second of all, a legal crime is not necessary to fire someone.

Third of all, are you sure you want the precedent to be that a full criminal investigation is required for an employer to fire an employee? An employer finds an employee stealing company property, but he can't just fire him, he has to press charges in a court of law first.

 

[dank69]

WAPO, Yahoo News and the NY Times authors themselves frame it as exactly that. The Atlantic has a rather long article on the subject that, if anything, characterized the accusations as inconclusive.

Maybe you should get off Twitter and this thread.

Links to these articles where authors frame it that way?

 

[Starbuck1975]

You just said that there is no "litany of accounts" yet cite the Atlantic in your defense as detailing this "litany of accounts" ....but only that they are inconclusive?

So is there a "litany of accounts," or not?

First: why is it fine to not bother investigating such accounts in order to better determine their accuracy?
Second: what does that have to do with confirmation hearings or a possible impeachment? None of that is really necessary. It is entirely political, and it is entirely based on character. Preponderance of evidence, apparently established by the Atlantic article that you mention, is a very good place to start.

Semantics. There are three incidents or accounts or stories or whatever you want to call them.

The supposed witnesses were unable or unwilling to corroborate the first two stories in a way that supported the initial Democrat narrative to block the appointment, and the rush to judgment over the alleged third incident and call for impeachment is already crumbling apart.

 

[dank69]

Semantics. There are three incidents or accounts or stories or whatever you want to call them.

The supposed witnesses were unable or unwilling to corroborate the first two stories in a way that supported the initial Democrat narrative to block the appointment, and the rush to judgment over the alleged third incident and call for impeachment is already crumbling apart.

Spoken like someone who only received information about all of this filtered through the conservative viewpoint lens, a lens every bit as dirty as Trump himself.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Links to these articles where authors frame it that way?

I hate the new embedd feature. Here are the articles:

WAPO: In whiplash moment, Democrats now backing away from Kavanaugh allegations

WAPO: A key witness in the Kavanaugh saga comes down on his side

Atlantic: Why the Kavanaugh confirmation still haunts us - author does a nice job of balancing zero tolerance in the #metoo era and Kavanaugh’s solid reputation prior to the confirmation circus

Atlantic: We spent 10 months investigating Kavanaugh, here’s what we found - lays everything out, different people will draw different conclusions as to the author’s intent

 

[Jhhnn]

Starbuck tries to get us to overlook Kavanaugh's fundamental dishonesty. He tried to paint himself as a teen & a young adult as some kind of angelic choirboy when he clearly was not. Going on about the specifics of his behavior is pure distraction from that. "Can't prove it!" really isn't any defense.

 

[mikeymikec]

Starbuck tries to get us to overlook Kavanaugh's fundamental dishonesty. He tried to paint himself as a teen & a young adult as some kind of angelic choirboy when he clearly was not. Going on about the specifics of his behavior is pure distraction from that. "Can't prove it!" really isn't any defense.

Well he did say that this entire discussion was politically opportunistic and disingenuous. What else did you expect from him?

 

[interchange]

So we have at least seven other people who recall hearing about this incident where friends of a drunk Brett “The Penis” Kavanaugh grabbed his penis and pushed it into the hands of a woman at a college frat party. So who’s responsible here, Kav or his friends?

Easy. Kavanaugh.

 

[Greenman]

"Can't prove it!" really isn't any defense.

Insane statement of the year right there.

 

[fskimospy]

Insane statement of the year right there.

Why is that? Seems perfectly reasonable to me. After all, the standard we should all be applying here is not 'can you prove it' but 'is it more likely to have happened than not'. Frankly even that standard is lenient for a SCOTUS justice.

I mean if you're a hiring manager can you possibly imagine yourself hiring someone where you think there's a 1 in 3 chance they are a sex offender?

 

[Greenman]

Why is that? Seems perfectly reasonable to me. After all, the standard we should all be applying here is not 'can you prove it' but 'is it more likely to have happened than not'. Frankly even that standard is lenient for a SCOTUS justice.

I mean if you're a hiring manager can you possibly imagine yourself hiring someone where you think there's a 1 in 3 chance they are a sex offender?

In a setting where others would willingly lie to prevent the persons hiring? It's not even a question. Handing a virtual veto to anyone that wants to make a sexual misconduct claim is nothing short of insane. There absolutely has to be evidence. In this latest claim there is nothing, it's not as compelling as a rumor.
Let's look at it another way, let's make it personal. What if it was you who was on the chopping block? What if someone at the company Kwanzaa party that didn't like you said you touched them inappropriately? Would you agree the accuser has to be believed? Would you hang your head in shame and walk out the door a ruined man? We both know the answer to that, we both know that there are innumerable people that would make any claim necessary to keep a republican off the bench.
This is 100% political. No one actually gives a fuck about what an idiot kid did back in college, no one gives a fuck if someone wore black face at a halloween party, or said great person 50 years ago. This is simply another weapon in the political arsenal, a reason to fake some outrage and point a trembling finger at the vile evil doer.

To answer your final question, Kavaughna's chance of being a sexual predator is exactly the same as your's or mine, it's 50/50 for everyone that hasn't been convicted.

 

[fskimospy]

In a setting where others would willingly lie to prevent the persons hiring? It's not even a question. Handing a virtual veto to anyone that wants to make a sexual misconduct claim is nothing short of insane. There absolutely has to be evidence. In this latest claim there is nothing, it's not as compelling as a rumor.
Let's look at it another way, let's make it personal. What if it was you who was on the chopping block? What if someone at the company Kwanzaa party that didn't like you said you touched them inappropriately? Would you agree the accuser has to be believed? Would you hang your head in shame and walk out the door a ruined man? We both know the answer to that, we both know that there are innumerable people that would make any claim necessary to keep a republican off the bench.
This is 100% political. No one actually gives a fuck about what an idiot kid did back in college, no one gives a fuck if someone wore black face at a halloween party, or said great person 50 years ago. This is simply another weapon in the political arsenal, a reason to fake some outrage and point a trembling finger at the vile evil doer.

You’re distorting history and making up new standards that no one is using. This is nonsense.

If someone accused me of acting inappropriately and then it turned out I lied about my actions while defending myself as Kavanaugh did I would expect to be fired.

To answer your final question, Kavaughna's chance of being a sexual predator is exactly the same as your's or mine, it's 50/50 for everyone that hasn't been convicted.

That is not how probability works, haha.

Like, at all.

 

[Jhhnn]

Insane statement of the year right there.

That was in reference to Kavanaugh's claims of being an innocent choirboy rather than any specific incidents. He misrepresented himself in a fundamental way.

 

[brycejones]

To answer your final question, Kavaughna's chance of being a sexual predator is exactly the same as your's or mine, it's 50/50 for everyone that hasn't been convicted.

WUT

 

[fskimospy]

WUT

Either I'm going to be eaten by a velociraptor today or I'm not going to be. Since there's only two options that means a 50/50 chance.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Starbuck tries to get us to overlook Kavanaugh's fundamental dishonesty. He tried to paint himself as a teen & a young adult as some kind of angelic choirboy when he clearly was not. Going on about the specifics of his behavior is pure distraction from that. "Can't prove it!" really isn't any defense.

Young adult character judgment is an odd requirement for a job interview. I better start asking all my employees if they drank in college and what they wore for Halloween!

I didn’t overlook that you moved the goal posts. Can’t prove it? There is no requirement for Kavanaugh to prove his innocence because its presumed.

 

[fskimospy]

Young adult character judgment is an odd requirement for a job interview. I better start asking all my employees if they drank in college and what they wore for Halloween!

I didn’t overlook that you moved the goal posts. Can’t prove it? There is no requirement for Kavanaugh to prove his innocence because its presumed.

That's odd, Kavanaugh sure looked much older than a young adult when he lied about it under oath. Is this some sort of Benjamin Button situation?

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's odd, Kavanaugh sure looked much older than a young adult when he lied about it under oath. Is this some sort of Benjamin Button situation?

Lacking evidence that the events even occurred, what did he lie about?

If you want to persist that he lied about being young, I am sure the country will rally around impeaching him for beergate.

Should have focused on perjury related to his time in the Bush admin, but Democrats just couldn’t risk the salacious nothingburger.

 

[fskimospy]

Lacking evidence that the events even occurred, what did he lie about?

If you want to persist that he lied about being young, I am sure the country will rally around impeaching him for beergate.

Should have focused on perjury related to his time in the Bush admin, but Democrats just couldn’t risk the salacious nothingburger.

Perjury is perjury, doesn't matter what it's about. According to his classmates at Yale he lied about his drinking habits.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Perjury is perjury, doesn't matter what it's about. According to his classmates at Yale he lied about his drinking habits.

Perjury is perjury. If you want to hang your hopes of impeachment on beergate, knock yourself out.

 

[fskimospy]

Perjury is perjury. If you want to hang your hopes of impeachment on beergate, knock yourself out.

I am not hanging my hopes anywhere in particular, I'm simply saying that when Kavanaugh perjured himself during his hearing it not only showed his unfitness for office it also lent credence to the accusations against him as he clearly felt it was necessary to lie to protect himself.