Deus Ex Performance Thread

[Elfear]

Hardocp always seems to test games with top-of-the-line hardware at 2560x1600, even if the average frame rates are not what I would consider to be smooth gameplay. This got me thinking... I wonder how many people actually have monitors with that resolution. So I created a poll on this forum to see what everyone is playing at: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2186935 Go vote!

There needs to be a corollary poll to see what GPUs people generally use too. I'd imagine the % of people who use a GTX 580 is probably less than or equal to the % who game at 2560x1600. Point being that most people don't buy the fastest single-gpu to game at 1680x1050 or 1080p.

Haven't played any of the other Deus Ex games. Might have to give this one a try when it hits the bargain bin.

 

[Grooveriding]

I just wanted to save you some money, really. Wait for a Steam sale, its worth mabe 18$.
The graphics are nice though.

edit: I'd sell you my copy but I gave it to my neighbor for a 16gb flash drive.

? Deus Ex: HR is a Steamworks game, once you install it, it is tied to your Steam account. How did you pass it to him ?

 

[happy medium]

? Deus Ex: HR is a Steamworks game, once you install it, it is tied to your Steam account. How did you pass it to him ?

edit:
nevermnd...

Mabe I shouldnt have said that...

 

[AnandThenMan]

Under most titles AMD gains on NVIDIA as the resolution increases; or in other words the performance hit for increasing your resolution is more expensive on an NVIDIA card than it is an AMD card. So the gap between the two is dependent on the resolution tested. I would still expect AMD to have a lead at lower resolutions based on the data, but there's no way to be sure short of actually testing those lower resolutions (though all the high-end cards should easily deliver >60fps at 1080P).

Which I think is desirable for a high end card. You would think the opposite would be true given the memory bandwidth advantage Nvidia has, for starters. I'm just of the mind that if you're going buy a high end card, then run it at the highest rez possible, otherwise you're better served getting something less expensive. But as Brent pointed out, they do test at different resolutions in their full reviews.

I was not sure about the "max playable" testing method [H] uses in the beginning, but I've warmed to it. I tend to do the same anyway on my system, I'll crank everything up as much as I can and still get what I consider playable, I don't have any desire to get 80fps if it doesn't make the game any more fluid or enjoyable.

 

[(sic)Klown12]

? Deus Ex: HR is a Steamworks game, once you install it, it is tied to your Steam account. How did you pass it to him ?

I know of one guy who makes a new account for every game he purchases on Steam, which is around 10 or so as of now(prefers actual disk and only uses Steam when unavoidable). That way he can sell or trade the account that's tied to a specific game after he's had his fill.

 

[toyota]

I share my wireless harddrive with him and he uses my account. He works for comcast (technician), so he gives me high speed internet for free through his router (rowhome)..

Mabe I shouldnt have said that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYPDPxWlEVs

 

[tviceman]

Under most titles AMD gains on NVIDIA as the resolution increases; or in other words the performance hit for increasing your resolution is more expensive on an NVIDIA card than it is an AMD card. So the gap between the two is dependent on the resolution tested. I would still expect AMD to have a lead at lower resolutions based on the data, but there's no way to be sure short of actually testing those lower resolutions (though all the high-end cards should easily deliver >60fps at 1080P).

I don't think memory bandwidth is the usual culprit with Nvidia cards at high resolution (until high amounts of AA are added). I think it's a a combination of the AMD cards having either a higher texture or pixel fillrate (one of the two, I can't remember) and having more efficient TMU's. Simply put, AMD engineered the 5800/6800 series to handle higher resolutions more efficiently than Nvidia did.

 

[tviceman]

I know of one guy who makes a new account for every game he purchases on Steam, which is around 10 or so as of now(prefers actual disk and only uses Steam when unavoidable). That way he can sell or trade the account that's tied to a specific game after he's had his fill.

Not that I entirely blame him, but that just sounds like t a miserable hassle. And for what? $5 resale value? PC games already have an incredibly low resale value. Tack on the fact that it's tied to an account that can't be merged with the buyer's account and it sounds like a huge hassle to be on either end of that transaction.

I've happily given up selling used games for what Steam has brought in return (auto patching, community features, cloud storage, ridiculously fun and heavily discounted sales, and free DLC for many of the games I own).

 

[Grooveriding]

Ah yes, I forgot that being 25% faster in some of the most popular games no longer counts as "smoking the competition" unless it's comparing Intel CPU's to AMD CPU's. Nvidia must be a generation ahead at all times or they are failing. And everything you predicted, linked, and gloated about for weeks in leading up to the hd6970 release, including it costing $500 and being the world's fastest single gpu came true also.

25% ? Take another look, it's more like 10% and this is only in respect to the single gpu flagships from them both. You're talking about one small segment, that most buyers, yourself included are not even a part of.

Get over the 6970 hopefulness. Some people are always hoping for something faster regardless of who it is released from...

Where was that fabled unlocked 460 guaranteed for September of last year ?

No sense in coming into threads that irk you and pissing all over them.

 

[Red Hawk]

I'm sure it will turn out just like BFBC2 and Dragon Age 2: it will run better on AMD hardware at first, but after a few driver releases, Nvidia will smoke AMD.

I must point out that Nvidia's latest drivers have a nasty tendency to crash DA2 after playing for 10 minutes.

 

[ViRGE]

Which I think is desirable for a high end card. You would think the opposite would be true given the memory bandwidth advantage Nvidia has, for starters. I'm just of the mind that if you're going buy a high end card, then run it at the highest rez possible, otherwise you're better served getting something less expensive. But as Brent pointed out, they do test at different resolutions in their full reviews.

I suspect it's ROP or caches that give AMD the edge rather than bandwidth, but the means aren't particularly important. In principle I agree with you about wanting to use higher resolutions with high end cards, but then again I'm using a 19x12 monitor with a high-end card because I find current high resolution monitors uncomfortably large (and I'm not the only person that thinks like this).

 

[BrentJ]

Which I think is desirable for a high end card. You would think the opposite would be true given the memory bandwidth advantage Nvidia has, for starters. I'm just of the mind that if you're going buy a high end card, then run it at the highest rez possible, otherwise you're better served getting something less expensive. But as Brent pointed out, they do test at different resolutions in their full reviews.

I was not sure about the "max playable" testing method [H] uses in the beginning, but I've warmed to it. I tend to do the same anyway on my system, I'll crank everything up as much as I can and still get what I consider playable, I don't have any desire to get 80fps if it doesn't make the game any more fluid or enjoyable.

This is our goal, we simply do what every gamer does, put the card/game in, see how high we can set in-game settings, resolution, and still have fast enough performance. Basically, you do this with every new game or card you install as a gamer, so we do the same, and report back our experiences. We do exactly what gamers do, so it's very relevant to gamers. As a gamer, I want the highest IQ with performance that's fast enough, in the entire game. Me personally, i'm a graphics enthusiast, give me the best IQ possible please.

 

[Will Robinson]

25% ? Take another look, it's more like 10% and this is only in respect to the single gpu flagships from them both. You're talking about one small segment, that most buyers, yourself included are not even a part of.

Get over the 6970 hopefulness. Some people are always hoping for something faster regardless of who it is released from...

Where was that fabled unlocked 460 guaranteed for September of last year ?

No sense in coming into threads that irk you and pissing all over them.

This.
I actually(naively)thought this thread would be full of praise for a far cheaper card(6970) being able to compete with a genuine powerhouse as the GTX580.
Yet they seem to get lumped together as equal high end offerings.
I'll be interested to see the results once HD6990 gets benched in this game against the '580 and '590.
Perhaps price won't be a factor in most of the comments then either.

 

[Silverforce11]

AMD evolve games tend to play well on NV cards as well, while NV developed games run like crap on AMD hardware in comparison.

Says what?

 

[Keysplayr]

AMD evolve games tend to play well on NV cards as well, while NV developed games run like crap on AMD hardware in comparison.

Says what?

Now list the very many exceptions to this rule of yours. I've seen some TWIMTBP games play just as well or better on AMD hardware over history.

 

[Will Robinson]

Your list?

 

[Firestorm007]

Now list the very many exceptions to this rule of yours. I've seen some TWIMTBP games play just as well or better on AMD hardware over history.

I agree. I've seen many as well that play just fine or even better on TWIMTBP titles. Crysis 1 for example. Sure, some games might not play great at first, but that's because AMD sometimes doesn't have a chance to preview the game. I remember reading that they actually only acquired a certain games on the day of release. I could care less about seeing the logo. It doesn't bother me one bit. It's not like when I fire up a game on a TWIMTBP title, I'm seeing a quick flash of some dude cheating with my wife everytime, lol. It's only a logo.

 

[Keysplayr]

Your list?

You should be asking for Silverforce11's list as well, Will. As should anybody.
He made a sweeping blanket statement that just isn't true. You know this, and so do most people in here including Silverforce11.

So, why are you asking me for a list? To be spiteful? Reason? I just don't know.

 

[Keysplayr]

I agree. I've seen many as well that play just fine or even better on TWIMTBP titles. Crysis 1 for example. Sure, some games might not play great at first, but that's because AMD sometimes doesn't have a chance to preview the game. I remember reading that they actually only acquired a certain games on the day of release. I could care less about seeing the logo. It doesn't bother me one bit. It's not like when I fire up a game on a TWIMTBP title, I'm seeing a quick flash of some dude cheating with my wife everytime, lol. It's only a logo.

LMAOOOO.. That was a good one!

 

[Gloomy]

It's not like when I fire up a game on a TWIMTBP title, I'm seeing a quick flash of some dude cheating with my wife everytime, lol. It's only a logo.

Oh lawd, lol.

 

[WMD]

Neither TWIMTBP or Gaming Evolved are really helping us. Sure AMD did not pay to cripple its opponents hardware. But they are no angel either. Notice how you need DX11 just to enable high res textures in DA2 or ambient occlusion in BFBC2/ Dirt2. AMD sponsored titles has resorted to artificially imposed restrictions and gimmicks passed off as "DX11 features" to make us upgrade our hardware.

Sure we are now happily rocking Win7 and DX11 hardware so who cares right? But it wont be long before AMD sponsored titles force us to upgrade to Windows 8 and DX12 hardware just to enable certain graphical features artificially locked out on our old hardware. It is funny how Deus EX together with DA2 another AMD's GE title still looks like A$$ despite being DX11 and with full vendor support to implement its cutting edge features.

Seriously I am not impressed by the visuals here. Looks like its made to run on consoles:

 

[Jacky60]

If this was a TWIMTBP title, and the gtx580 was 20% faster, there would be about a dozen people freaking out about how Nvidia is cheating and purposely hurting the game's performance on AMD cards.

I agree and we'd probably find out after investigating further that the developers had introduced an invisible highly tessellated ocean to ensure that Nvidia came out on top,
I reckon its a driver issue pure and simple and I'm sure Nvidia will catch up.

 

[SirPauly]

Do you want pc gaming to be divided, just like xbox vs ps?

and it would be trivial for nvidia to do 3d the way amd does, not so much the other way around.

That's fear mongering. AMD has native support for their GPU's using their API. When a title is 3d vision ready from nVidia it isn't native to nVidia. Would rather see AMD offer CrossFire support for 3d stereo instead of offering native support for just their GPU's in gaming titles.

 

[Jacky60]

Or "any other way" to somehow make AMD cards look better than they really are.

WTF you can't have it both ways, higher resolution favours more powerful hardware-only last week you were telling me I shouldn't be playing at 1920/1200 with my 6990's

 

[SirPauly]

I have no problem with 2560 x 1600 based on there is more GPU and memory limitations.

Hardocp has their own way of reviewing that differentiates from others.