Democrats face a pretty bleak future

[Starbuck1975]

The "pendulum" will swing back to the dems side sooner or later. When it does let's hope they don't screw it up either.

It has and they already did

 

[Jhhnn]

It has and they already did

Dems never got a fair shot after the 2008 election simply because of Repub obstructionism.

That chance died w/ Ted Kennedy in 2009.

In the wake of the 2010 election Obama & the Dems have barely contained a charge off to the right fringe of governance. And now we shall have it.

 

[Atreus21]

Eh, the same was said for the Republicans after 08 and 12. Don't put too much stock in media soothsaying. This latest election did much to discredit the practice, but here we are again.

 

[agent00f]

You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round.

Let's not pretend the RINOs are exactly critical of the stormfront tropes compared to this and that minority.

 

[agent00f]

I posted politifact's link because YOU trust it, not me.

And they clearly demonstrate your level of integrity.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Dems never got a fair shot after the 2008 election simply because of Repub obstructionism.

That chance died w/ Ted Kennedy in 2009.

In the wake of the 2010 election Obama & the Dems have barely contained a charge off to the right fringe of governance. And now we shall have it.

Yes and the parallels between the Coakley and Clinton campaigns are remarkable.

 

[cliftonite]

Eh, the same was said for the Republicans after 08 and 12. Don't put too much stock in media soothsaying. This latest election did much to discredit the practice, but here we are again.

But this time it will be true for the next 4-8 years. The senate map is horrendous for the Democrats in 2018 and does not look any better in 2020. From the looks of it, all 3 branches should be under the GOP.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes and the parallels between the Coakley and Clinton campaigns are remarkable.

I don't recall Coakley being swept under by a tsunami of slime built in part on Russian Psy-op efforts. YMMV, of course.

 

[Indus]

Maybe some good will come from it because when people are fed up of the GOP, a revolution will look like a good thing.

Nothing lasts forever..

 

[Sonikku]

But this time it will be true for the next 4-8 years. The senate map is horrendous for the Democrats in 2018 and does not look any better in 2020. From the looks of it, all 3 branches should be under the GOP.

The gerrymandering with the House is even worse. Democrats need significantly more votes just to have a comparable number of seats. With comparable number of votes they have fewer seats. Sadly after four years of the GoP skewing more rules and laws in their favor even more, I imagine Dems would have an even more uphill battle to climb.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don't recall Coakley being swept under by a tsunami of slime built in part on Russian Psy-op efforts. YMMV, of course.

I do remember Coakley, like Clinton, misreading the electorate and assuming the seat was hers because it was her turn. And like Clinton, Coakley lost to someone who targeted the swing voters most susceptible to a populist message.

So we've upgraded the talking point to psy-ops. As for the slime, the Podesta emails were perhaps written by slime, but they were simply a verification of what most suspected about the uninspired status quo of the Clinton machine.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Hillary 2020.

Its her turn.

 

[Jhhnn]

The gerrymandering with the House is even worse. Democrats need significantly more votes just to have a comparable number of seats. With comparable number of votes they have fewer seats. Sadly after four years of the GoP skewing more rules and laws in their favor even more, I imagine Dems would have an even more uphill battle to climb.

Unfortunately, I see Trump & the Repubs breaking the Govt of the People & the economy in very, very serious ways. They're ideologically driven to do so, to serve the right wing plutocracy completely. That's their underlying agenda. And they've shown no qualms about bending the system to gain power.

Here's a little taste of what they want to do-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...6f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.99ee44fe9ee4

Post-truth, Baby. If the information doesn't fit the agenda, change the information.

 

[Jhhnn]

As for the slime, the Podesta emails were perhaps written by slime, but they were simply a verification of what most suspected about the uninspired status quo of the Clinton machine.

Yeh, these guys really laid it out, huh?

https://www.rt.com/usa/362590-podesta-emails-wikileaks-clinton/

Breitbart, Newsmax, World Nut Daily & the rest couldn't get enough of it. Fox covered it like stink on shit. Social media was flooded with an astounding amount of disinformation.

For the most part, people didn't really know much about it, but it was bad, obviously.... so Democrats were bad & Hillary was bad, too...

You'd probably have to look it up yourself to tell us what you think was bad about it.

 

[theeedude]

The Republican party cannot come up with a working health reform plan after 7 years of bashing Obamacare, and 23 years after Hillarycare was defeated.
Their one health care "reform" was to expand single payer coverage by adding prescription drug benefit to Medicare, with no cost controls, and with zero effort to pay for it except by adding it to the debt.
Democrats future is bright for the simple reason that GOP has no solutions, so when problems arise, only the Democrats can fix them.

 

[pcgeek11]

But this time it will be true for the next 4-8 years. The senate map is horrendous for the Democrats in 2018 and does not look any better in 2020. From the looks of it, all 3 branches should be under the GOP.

And don't forget to tack on the Supreme Court Justice(s) that will be appointed during the Republican control. They have an even longer lasting effect. Decades Longer.

 

[Sonikku]

Yep. You can forget moderates like Garland that are well liked by both parties. The GoP will be getting the youngest most ultra right wing political hacks they can find. Basically younger and healthier Scalia's.

 

[pcgeek11]

The Republican party cannot come up with a working health reform plan after 7 years of bashing Obamacare, and 23 years after Hillarycare was defeated.
Their one health care "reform" was to expand single payer coverage by adding prescription drug benefit to Medicare, with no cost controls, and with zero effort to pay for it except by adding it to the debt.
Democrats future is bright for the simple reason that GOP has no solutions, so when problems arise, only the Democrats can fix them.

Then why didn't they?

 

[pcgeek11]

Unfortunately, I see Trump & the Repubs breaking the Govt of the People & the economy in very, very serious ways. They're ideologically driven to do so, to serve the right wing plutocracy completely. That's their underlying agenda. And they've shown no qualms about bending the system to gain power.

Here's a little taste of what they want to do-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...6f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.99ee44fe9ee4

Post-truth, Baby. If the information doesn't fit the agenda, change the information.

Well in fairness that was around from 1876 until 1983 and the world wasn't destroyed.

And as stated in your link:

The use of the rule would not be simple; a majority of the House and the Senate would still have to approve any such amendment.

 

[Sonikku]

Then why didn't they?

Because it takes two to tango in Washington and the GoP swore a pact on Obama's inauguration day that they would oppose everything and anything he tried to do. If he was for a thing, they would instantly and immediately be against it.

 

[pcgeek11]

Because it takes two to tango in Washington and the GoP swore a pact on Obama's inauguration day that they would oppose everything and anything he tried to do. If he was for a thing, they would instantly and immediately be against it.

Do you have a valid link showing this alleged swearing in pact?

Didn't think so.

Neither side was willing to work with the other. Both sides are accountable.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well in fairness that was around from 1876 until 1983 and the world wasn't destroyed.

And as stated in your link:

The use of the rule would not be simple; a majority of the House and the Senate would still have to approve any such amendment.

It apparently wasn't used in the 20th century, either. Why bring it back if they don't intend to use it?

 

[pcgeek11]

It apparently wasn't used in the 20th century, either. Why bring it back if they don't intend to use it?

I think it could be very useful tool to cut back the huge waste in the federal government if used prudently. As it stood before they can cut the budget and it will impact an unknown number and area of a department. This would be more like a surgical strike instead of a hack and slash.

 

[theeedude]

Then why didn't they?

They started on it. It's a process. Tens of millions have insurance now who didn't before the ACA. GOP is now on the hook for replacement, when they inevitably fail, Democrats will have the mandate to finish the job. Medicare for all. And then good luck repealing that.

 

[pcgeek11]

They started on it. It's a process. Tens of millions have insurance now who didn't before the ACA. GOP is now on the hook for replacement, when they inevitably fail, Democrats will have the mandate to finish the job. Medicare for all. And then good luck repealing that.

I'll be sure to check back in a decade or so when they get back in power.