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GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here's a clue children. It's the opening night of a party convention. It's intended to be a rally for the party faithful, not something so deep and profound that it stirs even the most empty-headed opposition hacks.

Here's another clue. The opening night of the Republican convention will be just as insubstantial. Can we assume all of you will be posting the same bitter barbs in the Official RNC Convention thread, or will your partisanship rule?

Who is going to watch the opening night of the RNC convention? I will be to busy enjoying a holiday weekend.

Personally I hope we don't see Cindy McCain speak. I would rather see 4 days of nothing but a complete energy policy beat it into the ground. Call out the scum in Pelosi and Reid for taking a vacation when the working man is paying near 4 dollars a gallon for gas and taking a beating in the grocery store.

I couldn't answer that question but I can tell who will not be attending:
Here's a partial list:
Dick Cheney
Senator Elizabeth Dole (NC)
Senator Ted Stevens (AK)
Senator Susan Collins (ME)
Senator Pat Roberts (KS)
Senator Larry Craig (ID)
Senator Chuck Hagel (NE)
Senator Gordon Smith (OR)
Senator Wayne Allard (CO)
Representative Bob Shaffer (CO)

 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She gave a good speech, although I only saw the very end of it.

But it was meaningless and hollow. We need hope, we need families, we need puppy dogs!!!! WOOHOO :wave the flag:
So typical of your condition: "I only saw the end, but I'll gladly be a partisan hack and make a broad negative judgement based on seeing a very small part of it."


:music: "if you only had a brain..." :music:
Ok, what did she say that had real meaning behind it??

Anyone can get up and give a speech about families and hope and changing the future. That is easy. The hard part is how you achieve all of that.

Of course I don't expect Mrs O. would be the person to give that speech. As I said, it was a nice speech, but it had no meaning other than to introduce Michelle to America and paint Obama is a positive light. And I am sure she accomplished both of those ends in a positive manor.



It was a nice speech that you only heard the very end of.




You are the lamest of all partisan hacks.

And quite hopeless, as well.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here's a clue children. It's the opening night of a party convention. It's intended to be a rally for the party faithful, not something so deep and profound that it stirs even the most empty-headed opposition hacks.

Here's another clue. The opening night of the Republican convention will be just as insubstantial. Can we assume all of you will be posting the same bitter barbs in the Official RNC Convention thread, or will your partisanship rule?

I personally can answer no or maybe.

It's still drumming up the base no matter what side. I just prefer a particular drum over another. I'm am very guilty of hearing what I want to hear, but the sob story presented by Michelle and victim mentality rubs me wrong.

I've been so freaking poor I didn't know if I could eat and frequently didn't. That period is what made me successful. Without the consequences I wouldn't grow and I have grown to be a tall flower. Not a special flower, but a tall flower. What obama is preaching will keep me down and I don't like that one bit.

 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here's a clue children. It's the opening night of a party convention. It's intended to be a rally for the party faithful, not something so deep and profound that it stirs even the most empty-headed opposition hacks.

Here's another clue. The opening night of the Republican convention will be just as insubstantial. Can we assume all of you will be posting the same bitter barbs in the Official RNC Convention thread, or will your partisanship rule?

I personally can answer no or maybe.

It's still drumming up the base no matter what side. I just prefer a particular drum over another. I'm am very guilty of hearing what I want to hear, but the sob story presented by Michelle and victim mentality rubs me wrong.

I've been so freaking poor I didn't know if I could eat and frequently didn't. That period is what made me successful. Without the consequences I wouldn't grow and I have grown to be a tall flower. Not a special flower, but a tall flower. What obama is preaching will keep me down and I don't like that one bit.
define "victim mentality"

I dont think you know what that is. I'd like to see your definition applied to anything that M Obama said in her speech.
 

ProfJohn

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feral, nice of you to address my point about her speech not having any real meaning behind it.

Can I assume that your failure to address that point is admission that there was no real meaning behind it?

As Bowfinger said, it is opening night and it is all meant to be fluff and love and let's hold hands and talk about how great it is to be a Democrat.
She might as well have said "My Husband is a wonderful man and you should elect him because I love him. Thank you." :cue tears:
 

Tab

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Does anyone have pics of the DNC protesters? There was a Denver SkyCam of them and damn there where a ton of people.
 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
feral, nice of you to address my point about her speech not having any real meaning behind it.

Can I assume that your failure to address that point is admission that there was no real meaning behind it?

As Bowfinger said, it is opening night and it is all meant to be fluff and love and let's hold hands and talk about how great it is to be a Democrat.
She might as well have said "My Husband is a wonderful man and you should elect him because I love him. Thank you." :cue tears:



You only saw a couple of minutes, yet felt qualified to make an informed opinion.

That is just trolling, and you should know better.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
feral, nice of you to address my point about her speech not having any real meaning behind it.

Can I assume that your failure to address that point is admission that there was no real meaning behind it?

As Bowfinger said, it is opening night and it is all meant to be fluff and love and let's hold hands and talk about how great it is to be a Democrat.
She might as well have said "My Husband is a wonderful man and you should elect him because I love him. Thank you." :cue tears:




Since you only heard the very end, how would you know?

It would be nice if you had actually heard the speech before you sprayed this thread with your ignorance, but that's NOT hope we can believe in.

:thumbsdown:
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here's a clue children. It's the opening night of a party convention. It's intended to be a rally for the party faithful, not something so deep and profound that it stirs even the most empty-headed opposition hacks.

Here's another clue. The opening night of the Republican convention will be just as insubstantial. Can we assume all of you will be posting the same bitter barbs in the Official RNC Convention thread, or will your partisanship rule?
Are you really expecting an answer to this question?
ROFL. Of course not. I'm just rubbing their noses in their shameless partisanship.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here's a clue children. It's the opening night of a party convention. It's intended to be a rally for the party faithful, not something so deep and profound that it stirs even the most empty-headed opposition hacks.

Here's another clue. The opening night of the Republican convention will be just as insubstantial. Can we assume all of you will be posting the same bitter barbs in the Official RNC Convention thread, or will your partisanship rule?
Are you really expecting an answer to this question?
ROFL. Of course not. I'm just rubbing their noses in their shameless partisanship.

Oh there will be some familiar names in that thread ripping them up too. ;)
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Hard for the rest of the world not to see the United States as having some degree of connotation of being a theocracy when even the Democrats open their convention with a prayer that they will effect God's will (that was reported on the CBC).:frown:

It's a nation founded by a christian majority on christian ideals where all religions would be welcomed. We have religious mottos all across the government, We like it that way :)

Whats this 'we' shit pale face?
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Citrix
is it just me or does the DNC sign kinda sorta look like the Chinese flag. big star with little stars around it....

I see what you did there.

what did i do? its just an observation, even my mom noticed and she is a 80 year old true blue democrat.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Hard for the rest of the world not to see the United States as having some degree of connotation of being a theocracy when even the Democrats open their convention with a prayer that they will effect God's will (that was reported on the CBC).:frown:

It's a nation founded by a christian majority on christian ideals where all religions would be welcomed. We have religious mottos all across the government, We like it that way :)

Whats this 'we' shit pale face?

the big chiefs in Washington. any other questions?
 

newnameman

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here's a clue children. It's the opening night of a party convention. It's intended to be a rally for the party faithful, not something so deep and profound that it stirs even the most empty-headed opposition hacks.

Here's another clue. The opening night of the Republican convention will be just as insubstantial. Can we assume all of you will be posting the same bitter barbs in the Official RNC Convention thread, or will your partisanship rule?

Who is going to watch the opening night of the RNC convention? I will be to busy enjoying a holiday weekend.

Personally I hope we don't see Cindy McCain speak. I would rather see 4 days of nothing but a complete energy policy beat it into the ground. Call out the scum in Pelosi and Reid for taking a vacation when the working man is paying near 4 dollars a gallon for gas and taking a beating in the grocery store.

I couldn't answer that question but I can tell who will not be attending:
Here's a partial list:
Dick Cheney
Senator Elizabeth Dole (NC)
Senator Ted Stevens (AK)
Senator Susan Collins (ME)
Senator Pat Roberts (KS)
Senator Larry Craig (ID)
Senator Chuck Hagel (NE)
Senator Gordon Smith (OR)
Senator Wayne Allard (CO)
Representative Bob Shaffer (CO)
Might want to recheck your little list:
http://www.latimes.com/news/po...8aug09,0,7222805.story

 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: newnameman
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here's a clue children. It's the opening night of a party convention. It's intended to be a rally for the party faithful, not something so deep and profound that it stirs even the most empty-headed opposition hacks.

Here's another clue. The opening night of the Republican convention will be just as insubstantial. Can we assume all of you will be posting the same bitter barbs in the Official RNC Convention thread, or will your partisanship rule?

Who is going to watch the opening night of the RNC convention? I will be to busy enjoying a holiday weekend.

Personally I hope we don't see Cindy McCain speak. I would rather see 4 days of nothing but a complete energy policy beat it into the ground. Call out the scum in Pelosi and Reid for taking a vacation when the working man is paying near 4 dollars a gallon for gas and taking a beating in the grocery store.

I couldn't answer that question but I can tell who will not be attending:
Here's a partial list:
Dick Cheney
Senator Elizabeth Dole (NC)
Senator Ted Stevens (AK)
Senator Susan Collins (ME)
Senator Pat Roberts (KS)
Senator Larry Craig (ID)
Senator Chuck Hagel (NE)
Senator Gordon Smith (OR)
Senator Wayne Allard (CO)
Representative Bob Shaffer (CO)
Might want to recheck your little list:
http://www.latimes.com/news/po...8aug09,0,7222805.story

Musta missed that development. There was a lot of talk of him not being 'welcome' at the RNC. Here' a couple of links I can find at short notice.

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...tend-gop-convention-2/

http://www.politico.com/blogs/..._be_noted.html?showall

See 2nd paragraph

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...imal/main4380490.shtml
"Vice President Cheney will travel abroad beginning September 2, 2008. President Bush has asked the Vice President to travel to Azerbaijan, Georgia, Ukraine and Italy for discussions with these key partners on issues of mutual interest."
"The International Space Station was booked solid." :laugh:



 

jpeyton

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Gordon Smith is on the no-show list because he's on the chopping block this year. Oregon will be solidly blue and he wants to keep his distance from Dubya and McBush until the election night tallies are in.
 

JJChicken

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Sticky please!


No, there will be too many topics regarding the DNC to try and keep it in one thread.

Anandtech Senior Moderator
Red Dawn
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Can we assume all of you will be posting the same bitter barbs in the Official RNC Convention thread, or will your partisanship rule?

You're making the assumption that anyone will even bother watching that train wreck. ;)
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: quest55720
One thing that scares the hell out of me was all the talk about UHC. There is no way to do UHC with out either bankrupting the country or lowering the standard of care for those with insurance. This is not the time for UHC many things need to be taken care of before we can go down that road. Starting with securing the boarder and getting people to choose healthier lifestyles.

Why do you think America is unable to create a UHC system when EVERY other developed nation can cover 100% of its citizens?
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here's a clue children. It's the opening night of a party convention. It's intended to be a rally for the party faithful, not something so deep and profound that it stirs even the most empty-headed opposition hacks.

Here's another clue. The opening night of the Republican convention will be just as insubstantial. Can we assume all of you will be posting the same bitter barbs in the Official RNC Convention thread, or will your partisanship rule?

I personally can answer no or maybe.

It's still drumming up the base no matter what side. I just prefer a particular drum over another. I'm am very guilty of hearing what I want to hear, but the sob story presented by Michelle and victim mentality rubs me wrong.

I've been so freaking poor I didn't know if I could eat and frequently didn't. That period is what made me successful. Without the consequences I wouldn't grow and I have grown to be a tall flower. Not a special flower, but a tall flower. What obama is preaching will keep me down and I don't like that one bit.
define "victim mentality"

I dont think you know what that is. I'd like to see your definition applied to anything that M Obama said in her speech.

Michelle tells the story of where she came from, and spidey calls it "victim mentality". Then he goes on to pat himself on the back and call himself a "flower who has grown tall". What the hell??


I'd like to know what part of Obama's plans will keep anybody down.

 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: quest55720
One thing that scares the hell out of me was all the talk about UHC. There is no way to do UHC with out either bankrupting the country or lowering the standard of care for those with insurance. This is not the time for UHC many things need to be taken care of before we can go down that road. Starting with securing the boarder and getting people to choose healthier lifestyles.

Why do you think America is unable to create a UHC system when EVERY other developed nation can cover 100% of its citizens?

Because there is no nation that provides 100% care to 100% of its citizens that don't have a skyline filled with oil derricks.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Hard for the rest of the world not to see the United States as having some degree of connotation of being a theocracy when even the Democrats open their convention with a prayer that they will effect God's will (that was reported on the CBC).:frown:

It's a nation founded by a christian majority on christian ideals where all religions would be welcomed. We have religious mottos all across the government, We like it that way :)

Whats this 'we' shit pale face?

we Pronunciation:
\'we\ Function:
pronoun, plural in construction Etymology:
Middle English, from Old English we; akin to Old High German wir we, Sanskrit vayam Date:
before 12th century
1 : I and the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others : I and another or others not including you ?used as pronoun of the first person plural ? compare i, our, ours, us
 

Lemon law

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To make the general case about American Political Conventions.

Once every four years, the various major parties and minor parties convene in a national meeting to nominate a Presidential candidate. And they are really two ring and sometimes three ring circuses. This year, we will be spared that third circus ring because both the democrats and republicans have a nominee certain. And not to dis any third parties, but no present third party has any chance of winning in 2008 as a reality based comment. But as a general comment, third parties often determine the winners because they can disproportionately hurt one of the major parties. And never say never, especially given trend lines, some year in the future may see a third party win the general election.

But in terms of the two ring circus, there is the big public media event, where everything is supposed to be sweetness and light for ring number one. And hidden away in the back rooms are the various party leaders and delegations trying to cut various deals on the platform and political power sharing. And while most of the party have bet on the right horse in the primaries, there are always the losers who bet on the wrong candidate and now do not want to pay the forfeit. But in the interest of the party, they must all support the winning candidate.

Bottom line, how united and how charged up a major party emerges from its convention often determines the winner in the election. Especially if the other major party fails to unite.

And at the same time, while one major party is meeting, its becomes the job of the other party to rally all its press and media resources to portray and exploit any and all divisions in the other party. And we sure see that happening on this thread to make a non general comment. As posters who will vote GOP anyway are coming out of the woodwork to ridicule and paint dark clouds in every silver lining.

Having said all that in a general sense, I have two specific comments about the democrats and republicans regarding emerging from their conventions unified. And each party has the dead opposite problem of the other.

1. For the democrats, two very strong and very similar candidates emerged from the right center of the democratic party. And both are non white male candidates. And what killed Hillary was initial lack of organization and the baggage of voting wrong on the Iraq war. And while Obama has shown vision, he lacks experience. And in an unusually bruising primary, many US females really wanted Hillary to win.
And now its Obama's job to bring those Hillary supporters back into the party with enthusiasm.

2. For the republicans, the unity job is far harder. McCain is not the choice of the party leaders. And the GWB record is perhaps the worst in American history as GWB and his band of merry neocons have basically hijacked the traditional GOP values of fiscal conservatism, small government, and isolationist foreign policy. And while McCain has a certain amount of experience, he seems to woefully lack judgment or any leadership track record. McCain has some military credibility, but is exactly the wrong person to appeal to the religious right or those in the GOP who want less foreign entanglements and more diplomacy. And in MHO, what made him the GOP primary winner was the GOP electorate who selected McCain only because he was the only candidate who was in any way critical of GWB. And by failing to separate himself from GWB, he insults that new base as he appeals to neither the GWB wing of the GOP or the anti GWB part of his base.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
To make the general case about American Political Conventions.

Once every four years, the various major parties and minor parties convene in a national meeting to nominate a Presidential candidate. And they are really two ring and sometimes three ring circuses. This year, we will be spared that third circus ring because both the democrats and republicans have a nominee certain. And not to dis any third parties, but no present third party has any chance of winning in 2008 as a reality based comment. But as a general comment, third parties often determine the winners because they can disproportionately hurt one of the major parties. And never say never, especially given trend lines, some year in the future may see a third party win the general election.

But in terms of the two ring circus, there is the big public media event, where everything is supposed to be sweetness and light for ring number one. And hidden away in the back rooms are the various party leaders and delegations trying to cut various deals on the platform and political power sharing. And while most of the party have bet on the right horse in the primaries, there are always the losers who bet on the wrong candidate and now do not want to pay the forfeit. But in the interest of the party, they must all support the winning candidate.

Bottom line, how united and how charged up a major party emerges from its convention often determines the winner in the election. Especially if the other major party fails to unite.

And at the same time, while one major party is meeting, its becomes the job of the other party to rally all its press and media resources to portray and exploit any and all divisions in the other party. And we sure see that happening on this thread to make a non general comment. As posters who will vote GOP anyway are coming out of the woodwork to ridicule and paint dark clouds in every silver lining.

Having said all that in a general sense, I have two specific comments about the democrats and republicans regarding emerging from their conventions unified. And each party has the dead opposite problem of the other.

1. For the democrats, two very strong and very similar candidates emerged from the right center of the democratic party. And both are non white male candidates. And what killed Hillary was initial lack of organization and the baggage of voting wrong on the Iraq war. And while Obama has shown vision, he lacks experience. And in an unusually bruising primary, many US females really wanted Hillary to win.
And now its Obama's job to bring those Hillary supporters back into the party with enthusiasm.

2. For the republicans, the unity job is far harder. McCain is not the choice of the party leaders. And the GWB record is perhaps the worst in American history as GWB and his band of merry neocons have basically hijacked the traditional GOP values of fiscal conservatism, small government, and isolationist foreign policy. And while McCain has a certain amount of experience, he seems to woefully lack judgment or any leadership track record. McCain has some military credibility, but is exactly the wrong person to appeal to the religious right or those in the GOP who want less foreign entanglements and more diplomacy. And in MHO, what made him the GOP primary winner was the GOP electorate who selected McCain only because he was the only candidate who was in any way critical of GWB. And by failing to separate himself from GWB, he insults that new base as he appeals to neither the GWB wing of the GOP or the anti GWB part of his base.

LMAO Obama right center of the democratic party. Obama is way out on the extreme left with his partner Pelosi. Obama cemented his place in the extreme left when he chose his tree hugger special interests over the working class.