Delphi LOWERS offer to UAW to $9/hr!

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: redly1
either way, does anyone else agree that this is the decline of the american blue collar worker?

Sure the UAW sucks, but they set a standard for above average wages for, well, the people in this country who are most likely to spend most of their paycheck and bolster the economy.
Yes, no?

Sorry, what is the first rule of business? MAXIMIZE profits and minimize costs. Why would you pay someone 27 bucks/hr plus generous benefits while you can hire someone to do the same job if not better for 1/3 of the price. Those workers need a wake up call and fast. The good ole time are over. This is the new era, global competion.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: redly1
either way, does anyone else agree that this is the decline of the american blue collar worker?

Sure the UAW sucks, but they set a standard for above average wages for, well, the people in this country who are most likely to spend most of their paycheck and bolster the economy.
Yes, no?

Sorry, what is the first rule of business? MAXIMIZE profits and minimize costs. Why would you pay someone 27 bucks/hr plus generous benefits while you can hire someone to do the same job if not better for 1/3 of the price. Those workers need a wake up call and fast. The good ole time are over. This is the new era, global competion.

Translation: Enjoy your third world wages, chumps.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: redly1
I'd really like to know if anyone else thinks this is going to have a Major longterm economic impact in the US

Also, does anyone know what the average Ohio or Alabama Honda factory worker or US toyota worker makes? I've never heard a number

I don't have a number for Ohio/Alabama Honda workers but I do have numbers for a typical non union Tier 1 automotive supplier worker (similar as Delphi). They make about 10 to 15 bucks per hour. This is from the Southern state.

Edit: One more thing, those workers won't have the free health care and generous benefits such as job banks as the UAW workers.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: redly1
either way, does anyone else agree that this is the decline of the american blue collar worker?

Sure the UAW sucks, but they set a standard for gravy trains for, well, the people in this country who are most likely to have worked in mcdonalds instead

Yes, no?

fyp

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: dartworth
This goes beyond legal issues. This would be a public relations disaster of biblical proportions for the US auto industry. The UAW would be painted as a martyr in the public eye and Delphi, GM and the rest of the Big 3 would become the great satan.

That's your (union) perspective. I don't think the general public would feel the same way. People will see that they're doing what they need to do to survive. And I think people would rather have cheaper cars than have 4000 people getting paid not to work.

 

[OS]

heh, good parasites aren't supposed to kill the host.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: dartworth
This goes beyond legal issues. This would be a public relations disaster of biblical proportions for the US auto industry. The UAW would be painted as a martyr in the public eye and Delphi, GM and the rest of the Big 3 would become the great satan.

That's your (union) perspective. I don't think the general public would feel the same way. People will see that they're doing what they need to do to survive. And I think people would rather have cheaper cars than have 4000 people getting paid not to work.

We'll see...

I hope Delphi hires a good PR firm

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: dartworth
This goes beyond legal issues. This would be a public relations disaster of biblical proportions for the US auto industry. The UAW would be painted as a martyr in the public eye and Delphi, GM and the rest of the Big 3 would become the great satan.

That's your (union) perspective. I don't think the general public would feel the same way. People will see that they're doing what they need to do to survive. And I think people would rather have cheaper cars than have 4000 people getting paid not to work.

We'll see...

I hope Delphi hires a good PR firm

I hope the Delphi workers have another job lined up because I remember what happened with the US steel industry because of greedy unions. There's a reason the "Rust Belt" has its name.

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: eakers
ps: those wages are ridiculous!
Toyota starts at $23.75/hour and they are non-union.

Toyota, at least in Georgetown, KY, starts many out at much lower wages through temporary agencies. I've heard stories of folks working for 2+ years through a temp. agency without going full time at Toyota.

However, their wages, once full time, are very good with good benefits. They, however, expect and GET hard working employees who share ideas to constantly help themselves and the company.

Oh, and my view is that I would rather have 25,000 US workers making $9.50 an hour and the same 25,000 Mexicans making $0.85 per hour (nothing against Mexicans, I'm just MORE pro US).

I'm pretty sure that'd the CAD rate for Toyota, as Honda of Canada pays around 21-25.25/hr CAD for Associate Line Workers, plus benefits etc...

 

[Kelemvor]

Good. $27/hr to do manual labor? whatever. Imagine how inexpensive cars could be if they weren't paying autoworkers such insanely high prices. I'm surprised there are any US auto companies left and they haven't all gone to India, China, Mexico, etc. But UAW got too greedy and hopefully now all its members will get so pissed off they'll disband.

Good Riddance UAW. You've screwed over the American Public for hopefully the last time.

Good Luck Delphi!!

 

[PlatinumGold]

i'm one of the biggest union haters on these boards but let me say, this is not the rebirth of the american auto industry, not until management shows they can make the same kind of sacrifices they are requiring of the unions.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Good. $27/hr to do manual labor? whatever. Imagine how inexpensive cars could be if they weren't paying autoworkers such insanely high prices. I'm surprised there are any US auto companies left and they haven't all gone to India, China, Mexico, etc. But UAW got too greedy and hopefully now all its members will get so pissed off they'll disband.

Good Riddance UAW. You've screwed over the American Public for hopefully the last time.

Good Luck Delphi!!

You really need to qualify that. There are plenty of skilled tradesmen and manual laborers easily worth $27+/hour.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: dartworth
This goes beyond legal issues. This would be a public relations disaster of biblical proportions for the US auto industry. The UAW would be painted as a martyr in the public eye and Delphi, GM and the rest of the Big 3 would become the great satan.

That's your (union) perspective. I don't think the general public would feel the same way. People will see that they're doing what they need to do to survive. And I think people would rather have cheaper cars than have 4000 people getting paid not to work.

We'll see...

I hope Delphi hires a good PR firm

I hope the Delphi workers have another job lined up because I remember what happened with the US steel industry because of greedy unions. There's a reason the "Rust Belt" has its name.

Yes, I am well aware of this too, as I live in the "Rust Belt"


FWIW, the steel industry is making a strong comeback in this country and much of it remains unionized. As a matter of fact, they are building a decent size mill in Cleveland right now. It will employ many union construction workers this winter

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: dartworth
This goes beyond legal issues. This would be a public relations disaster of biblical proportions for the US auto industry. The UAW would be painted as a martyr in the public eye and Delphi, GM and the rest of the Big 3 would become the great satan.

That's your (union) perspective. I don't think the general public would feel the same way. People will see that they're doing what they need to do to survive. And I think people would rather have cheaper cars than have 4000 people getting paid not to work.

We'll see...

I hope Delphi hires a good PR firm

I hope the Delphi workers have another job lined up because I remember what happened with the US steel industry because of greedy unions. There's a reason the "Rust Belt" has its name.

Yes, I am well aware of this too, as I live in the "Rust Belt"


FWIW, the steel industry is making a strong comeback in this country and much of it remains unionized. As a matter of fact, they are building a decent size mill in Cleveland right now. It will employ many union construction workers this winter

It's making a moderate comeback but it will never be the juggernaut it was. I grew up in East Liverpool, Oh and my parents still live there.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i'm one of the biggest union haters on these boards but let me say, this is not the rebirth of the american auto industry, not until management shows they can make the same kind of sacrifices they are requiring of the unions.

Fat chance... they're going to grab all they can before taking their golden parachute.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
It's making a moderate comeback but it will never be the juggernaut it was. I grew up in East Liverpool, Oh and my parents still live there.

I'm reminded of this every time I drive past Bethlehem Steel, which at a time was the second largest steel producer in the U.S.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i'm one of the biggest union haters on these boards but let me say, this is not the rebirth of the american auto industry, not until management shows they can make the same kind of sacrifices they are requiring of the unions.

Fat chance... they're going to grab all they can before taking their golden parachute.

So you cut all of the executives' pay. Then what happens? It's less desirable for them to work there, so they find another job that'll pay them better. You hire a guy to replace him, but because you're not willing to pay the going rate you have to settle for a less than ideal candidate. Then your company tanks because you have a bunch of idiots running it.

That's a bit oversimplified of course.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i'm one of the biggest union haters on these boards but let me say, this is not the rebirth of the american auto industry, not until management shows they can make the same kind of sacrifices they are requiring of the unions.

Fat chance... they're going to grab all they can before taking their golden parachute.

So you cut all of the executives' pay. Then what happens? It's less desirable for them to work there, so they find another job that'll pay them better. You hire a guy to replace him, but because you're not willing to pay the going rate you have to settle for a less than ideal candidate. Then your company tanks because you have a bunch of idiots running it.

That's a bit oversimplified of course.

hmmm, i bet i could do as good a job as those overpaid execs.

to believe that the ability to run a large company exists in only a few people is ludicrous.

it's just the only a select few ever get the chance to try and run one and guess what, more often than not, they fail.

btw, it's just as oversimplified to say, reduce salaries of workers and VOILA companies are profitable.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
hmmm, i bet i could do as good a job as those overpaid execs.

I bet you couldn't.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i'm one of the biggest union haters on these boards but let me say, this is not the rebirth of the american auto industry, not until management shows they can make the same kind of sacrifices they are requiring of the unions.

Fat chance... they're going to grab all they can before taking their golden parachute.

So you cut all of the executives' pay. Then what happens? It's less desirable for them to work there, so they find another job that'll pay them better. You hire a guy to replace him, but because you're not willing to pay the going rate you have to settle for a less than ideal candidate. Then your company tanks because you have a bunch of idiots running it.

That's a bit oversimplified of course.

It sounds like they're getting a bunch of idiots for the going rate, anyway. Can't hurt to try something new.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
hmmm, i bet i could do as good a job as those overpaid execs.

I bet you couldn't.

cool, you get me the job and i'll let you know.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i'm one of the biggest union haters on these boards but let me say, this is not the rebirth of the american auto industry, not until management shows they can make the same kind of sacrifices they are requiring of the unions.

Fat chance... they're going to grab all they can before taking their golden parachute.

So you cut all of the executives' pay. Then what happens? It's less desirable for them to work there, so they find another job that'll pay them better. You hire a guy to replace him, but because you're not willing to pay the going rate you have to settle for a less than ideal candidate. Then your company tanks because you have a bunch of idiots running it.

That's a bit oversimplified of course.

It sounds like they're getting a bunch of idiots for the going rate, anyway. Can't hurt to try something new.

Actually, it can. It can hurt quite a bit.

 

[Squisher]

Like I posted in the previous threads about this, You would be surprised by the skill required to do many unskilled factory jobs.

I asked a guy the other day how long did he think it took to learn to run an Upsetter (It forges axle shafts). He said 5 years.

If you think you are going to pay people $10/hr. to be factory workers you are fooling yourself.

They say watch what you ask for. You might just get it. Make it $10/hr. and you will get the most unskilled workforce imaginable. That should do wonders for the quality of domestic autos.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Squisher
Like I posted in the previous threads about this, You would be surprised by the skill required to do many unskilled factory jobs.

I asked a guy the other day how long did he think it took to learn to run an Upsetter (It forges axle shafts). He said 5 years.

If you think you are going to pay people $10/hr. to be factory workers you are fooling yourself.

They say watch what you ask for. You might just get it. Make it $10/hr. and you will get the most unskilled workforce imaginable. That should do wonders for the quality of domestic autos.

Umm, have you worked on the line at any type of Manufacturing Plant? I worked on the line for 5 weeks as part of training to get *experience* with one of the big 3. Let me just say it was probably the easiest job I have ever had in my life, by FAR. Sit on a chair for 8 hours a day and put in the same screw. After about 1/2 hour on the job you have it down pat and can do it in 1/2 the time allowing you to really only work 4 hours. And on top of that, there is usually 1 relief person that gives you 15 min breaks every couple hours on top of your normal breaks.

It was god damned stupid, they whine and cry about the littlest things. The job is so easy it makes me puke. I almost considered throwing my 4 year engineering education away to work on the line because I would have been paid better and had better benefits.

Oh, and did I mention that you do not have a boss and the work is stress free.

 

[JackBurton]

LOL. I'd tell Delphi, fvck you! Go to Bankruptcy court.