Delphi LOWERS offer to UAW to $9/hr!

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Eos

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Good. $27/hr to do manual labor? whatever. Imagine how inexpensive cars could be if they weren't paying autoworkers such insanely high prices. I'm surprised there are any US auto companies left and they haven't all gone to India, China, Mexico, etc. But UAW got too greedy and hopefully now all its members will get so pissed off they'll disband.

Good Riddance UAW. You've screwed over the American Public for hopefully the last time.

Good Luck Delphi!!

You really need to qualify that. There are plenty of skilled tradesmen and manual laborers easily worth $27+/hour.

I grossed over $60,000 a year as a non union long haul truck driver with 8 years experience. No benefits save for a 10% 401k plan I was in. My g/f had all the benefits I needed. I thought I was worth a little more, but I got a new truck every year. :shrugs:

Yes, I worked long hours. Often 70+ a week during the summer. Basically 2-3 weeks on duty then 3 or 4 days off. Not so much during the winter.

All this with a low B average in high school...

 

cbehnken

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: alent1234
i have no sympathy for the UAW sloth when people with graduate degrees frequently make less money than them
I have no sympathy for those with graduate degrees that make sh!t for a living, they could have gotten a job with the UAW instead but no, they went to school which is much easier than working and now they feel they are entitled to make a decent living. Most of those with college degrees are at best mediocre employees no different than the mediocre employees at Delphi and they both share the sense of entitlement.

School is easier than working?

What did you do in college?
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: cbehnken
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: alent1234
i have no sympathy for the UAW sloth when people with graduate degrees frequently make less money than them
I have no sympathy for those with graduate degrees that make sh!t for a living, they could have gotten a job with the UAW instead but no, they went to school which is much easier than working and now they feel they are entitled to make a decent living. Most of those with college degrees are at best mediocre employees no different than the mediocre employees at Delphi and they both share the sense of entitlement.

School is easier than working?

What did you do in college?
When you wake up in the morning, and odn't want to go to class, do you?

I certainly didn't.
 

Stunt

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School is WAAAAAY easier than work.

Optional Class, work at midterms and finals, copy assignments...

vs.

Get up at 5am, deadlines, performance indicators, budgets, people politics, responsibilities.
 

bluestrobe

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Labor unions are why prices are high and certain wages are outrageously high. Unions had their place but that place is gone. Get rid of the unions, USA suffers 2 years of gripping of lower wages then when the cost savings hit the shelves, people will be happy again.
 

cbehnken

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: cbehnken
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: alent1234
i have no sympathy for the UAW sloth when people with graduate degrees frequently make less money than them
I have no sympathy for those with graduate degrees that make sh!t for a living, they could have gotten a job with the UAW instead but no, they went to school which is much easier than working and now they feel they are entitled to make a decent living. Most of those with college degrees are at best mediocre employees no different than the mediocre employees at Delphi and they both share the sense of entitlement.

School is easier than working?

What did you do in college?
When you wake up in the morning, and odn't want to go to class, do you?

I certainly didn't.

Umm yes or you fail.

Not sure what kind of classes your taking.

Maybe it's because I work 35 hours a week also.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: cbehnken
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

When you wake up in the morning, and odn't want to go to class, do you?

I certainly didn't.

Umm yes or you fail.

Not sure what kind of classes your taking.

Maybe it's because I work 35 hours a week also.
Actually, you fail if you don't complete the course material. There's a big difference.

Not being in school, I work 60 hours a week, and if I don't want to show up, too fvckin bad.
 

cbehnken

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: cbehnken
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

When you wake up in the morning, and odn't want to go to class, do you?

I certainly didn't.

Umm yes or you fail.

Not sure what kind of classes your taking.

Maybe it's because I work 35 hours a week also.
Actually, you fail if you don't complete the course material. There's a big difference.

Not being in school, I work 60 hours a week, and if I don't want to show up, too fvckin bad.

Not a big difference. Most of the time if you aren't showing up to class you aren't going to be able or even know about course material.

60 hours a week is a good pace to be. 35 hours a week of work + 15 hours in class = 50 before you count any of the studying I do.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: cbehnken

Not a big difference. Most of the time if you aren't showing up to class you aren't going to be able or even know about course material.

60 hours a week is a good pace to be. 35 hours a week of work + 15 hours in class = 50 before you count any of the studying I do.

You can easily read the material on your own time.

Work is FAR harder than school.
 

cbehnken

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: cbehnken

Not a big difference. Most of the time if you aren't showing up to class you aren't going to be able or even know about course material.

60 hours a week is a good pace to be. 35 hours a week of work + 15 hours in class = 50 before you count any of the studying I do.

You can easily read the material on your own time.

Work is FAR harder than school.

This really hasn't been my experience.

I've done tons of manual labor on a farm for 5 years and now I develop websites and software for a company, so I've seen both types of labor. Getting good grades and studying everything is way more stressful hard.

How is work harder again? If you're there and work your ass of you will be fine. You can be there at school, work your ass off, and still not do well.

I don't buy the arguement that it's that big of a deal to be someone at a given time everyday, because I do it all the time. It's called responsiblity.
 

razor2025

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Everyone loves to scream "Hey too bad, global competetion". Do they not realize that, we can improve our "cost efficiency" without reducing the wage/benefit? EatSpam raise seriously valid points about our completely retarded corporate culture in the US. Executives in US are overpaid, overcompensated, and over-rated. Incompetent executives running healthy companies into the ground became our norm. Yet, these morons are paid in millions for their failure and given numerous chances at ruining other corporations by their "good ole boys".However, as with any company, hard-working top executives who's willing to take "reasonable" pay is few. Even in Japan, there are tons of executives who takes in bribes and cooks the book. In fact, many of the Japanese brand-name companies are kept floating by loans handed out from the bank, even though these companies are practically financially-insoluble.

Whenever someone touts Walmart and/or Global labor whoring, I love to shove Costco in their face. There are several articles written recently comparing Walmart & Costco. The biggest difference between Walmart & Costco is how they treat their labor. We all know how Walmart treats their employees, so let's just think that Costco is the Anti-Walmart. Costco pays their employee above average wages for the area. One article cites that Costco pays $15/hr for their typical unskilled retail/warehouse workers. That's easily 2x the amount of Walmart employee. Along with higher wages, Costco actually provide decent healthcare and benefits for their employee. Compare that to Walmart, who uses public services as their employee healthcare and benefits. And how much does Costco CEO gest paid in cash? Not even a million.

Remember, the money paid to the workers are the essential lifeblood in our economy. Any moron who have taken economics class can tell you how important it is for business to have many customers who's "willing and ABLE to buy" their product. As the majority of populace have lesser financial freedom, the whole economy suffers. There are too many people in power going for maximum short-term profit at the cost of long-term future. But then again, who cares? Average Joe can go buy his latest and cheap gadget, while the top executives gets to spend their cash on bling-bling.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: cbehnken
Not a big difference. Most of the time if you aren't showing up to class you aren't going to be able or even know about course material.

60 hours a week is a good pace to be. 35 hours a week of work + 15 hours in class = 50 before you count any of the studying I do.

It's a pretty big difference.

I've never met anyone with half a brain who couldn't recover easily from missing the odd class.

Personally, I never saw much benefit to class at all, unless it was some sort of seminar.
 

cbehnken

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: cbehnken
Not a big difference. Most of the time if you aren't showing up to class you aren't going to be able or even know about course material.

60 hours a week is a good pace to be. 35 hours a week of work + 15 hours in class = 50 before you count any of the studying I do.

It's a pretty big difference.

I've never met anyone with half a brain who couldn't recover easily from missing the odd class.

Personally, I never saw much benefit to class at all, unless it was some sort of seminar.

Well I guess it all depends on your major and what you're taking exactly. But anyway, to make a blanket statement that work is always harder just makes me mentally picture a 40 year old grease monkey who resents people who went to college.

Obviously that is aimed at no one in particular and I mean no offense.
 

miri

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: alent1234
i have no sympathy for the UAW sloth when people with graduate degrees frequently make less money than them
I have no sympathy for those with graduate degrees that make sh!t for a living, they could have gotten a job with the UAW instead but no, they went to school which is much easier than working and now they feel they are entitled to make a decent living. Most of those with college degrees are at best mediocre employees no different than the mediocre employees at Delphi and they both share the sense of entitlement.

Not everyone that goes to school, just goes to school. I have worked every semester in school except for one.
 

judasmachine

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they should just all quit, and let delphi rot in it's own waste. delphi would of coarse just hire lessor skilled workers who would love to work for $9/hour, but their quality would suffer greatly.
 

YYZ2112

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Sometimes I wonder what people who are unhappy with their occupational lot in life did to prepare for the 45+ years of their post-adolescent existenance.
I have sympathy for victims of unfortunate events but none whatsoever for "victims" of poor planning.
 

Engineer

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In the last days before filing, Miller took care of one last detail: boosting the severance packages for 21 top Delphi executives, and setting aside $88 million for potential bonuses for senior management

Read the above in an automotive journal this morning. Regardless of whether you like UAW or not, does anyone else think it purely sucks that the execs. can give themselves nearly 100 million in bonuses while asking the workers to take a 60% pay cut?

BS!
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Engineer
In the last days before filing, Miller took care of one last detail: boosting the severance packages for 21 top Delphi executives, and setting aside $88 million for potential bonuses for senior management

Read the above in an automotive journal this morning. Regardless of whether you like UAW or not, does anyone else think it purely sucks that the execs. can give themselves nearly 100 million in bonuses while asking the workers to take a 60% pay cut?

BS!
Typical American corporation style.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Engineer
In the last days before filing, Miller took care of one last detail: boosting the severance packages for 21 top Delphi executives, and setting aside $88 million for potential bonuses for senior management

Read the above in an automotive journal this morning. Regardless of whether you like UAW or not, does anyone else think it purely sucks that the execs. can give themselves nearly 100 million in bonuses while asking the workers to take a 60% pay cut?

BS!

It sucks when a business can't cut costs due to a monopolizing union.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Engineer
In the last days before filing, Miller took care of one last detail: boosting the severance packages for 21 top Delphi executives, and setting aside $88 million for potential bonuses for senior management

Read the above in an automotive journal this morning. Regardless of whether you like UAW or not, does anyone else think it purely sucks that the execs. can give themselves nearly 100 million in bonuses while asking the workers to take a 60% pay cut?

BS!
It is up to the shareholders to punish management as they see fit
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Engineer
In the last days before filing, Miller took care of one last detail: boosting the severance packages for 21 top Delphi executives, and setting aside $88 million for potential bonuses for senior management

Read the above in an automotive journal this morning. Regardless of whether you like UAW or not, does anyone else think it purely sucks that the execs. can give themselves nearly 100 million in bonuses while asking the workers to take a 60% pay cut?

BS!
It is up to the shareholders to punish management as they see fit



actually those bonuses only exist if the company gets out of the hole it is in. IF they get out of these financial troubles, the bonuses will be money well paid to the execs.
 

alent1234

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if the bonuses weren't there, than the executives would quit to find other jobs and take a lot of valuable competative knowledge with them