Debunking Biblical Myths

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
If you are talking about recorded history...well the Romans were the first to start that since they were one of the first to actually have a written language.

No.
Written language is way older than Rome . Writing from Mesopotamia exist from over 3000 years before the Romans that contain everything from farm records to politics. The Jewish Torah has been confirmed to be over 2500 years old.

I said they were ONE of the first.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL

The Great Flood Debunked


-Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that the earth is in fact 4.7 billion years old....a lot of fundies still believe it to be only 5,000. This one easily annoys me the most because this should be common sense. Not only do we have a huge fossil record that stretches over millions of years, we also have evidence from early humans. Here is a sculpture that is dated to be around 32,000 years old.

Lion man

-Now how about the story of Jonah? Surviving inside a fish for 3 days and 3 nights? I don't really need to go further with this one....

-I wonder what would happen to me if I came back from a hike in the mountains telling everyone that God spoke to me and has ordered me to issue his new laws of the land. I would probably be laughed and and thrown into a psych ward. Not Moses though...
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today. His experience was so credible that people today still follow what the schizophrenic voices in Moses's head told him thousands of years ago.

you have debunked exactly zero, zilch, nothing.
Not only have you debunked nothing, you plaigarized what some other "no-nothing" has written.

go drill some 25,000 cores analyse the data, come up with a theory, be proven wrong by some christians, wash, rinse, repeat until JC shows up at your door and smacks you for being a moron.

Uhhhhhh,
1st of all, science doesn't have an agenda. It looks at the evidence and reaches a logical conclusion. If there was evidence of a worldwide flood, there is no conspiracy in science to deny it in favor of some other conclusion. Christians have NEVER proven the age of the earth to be 6000 years old, except to a bunch of dolts who have minimal or no knowledge of the evidence to the contrary. Furthermore, the majority of the world's Christians do NOT believe the Earth is 6000 years old. That sub-category of Christians represents a small (but vocal) minority of idiots. Even the Catholics realized "Dude, there's soooooooooo much evidence for the Big Bang & Evolution, that we're going to look like a bunch of fucking retards (like we did when we denied that the Earth was round and the Sun was at the center of the Solar System) if we deny those facts.


Furthermore, for the poster above with the nonsense about how the Earth was so different before the flood, etc. Bullshit. There is so much evidence to the contrary that anyone who denies it is either ignorant of the facts or, well, just ignorant. Don't you think that scientists might have found evidence to say "hey, it looks like the land was a lot flatter when all the continents were together as Pangeia" (sp?). Instead, the evidence points to a FAR different conclusion.

edit: I think the literal interpreters explanations of each piece of evidence can best be described as "you're making this stuff as you go along."

science doent have an agenda... but most of the people who use it do, and try to make it say and prove things which arent true or unprovable...

science can never refute whether any individual religion or all world religions as a whole as being false.
OP has an agenda, therefore all his results are biased and BS.

 

[dawheat]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

No, we grasp it just fine, it's the believers that miss the point. We know that the bible is pure fiction, written by control freaks using the "visions" of schizophrenics and recycling the same fairy tales that were used in previous religions.

I can understand the vitrol toward Christians, but I'm always surprised by the anger toward the bible, particularly the New Testament. A historical book that espouses loving your neighbor, treating others with compassion and respect, and living a decent life should be judged on its own merits.

The educated and open-minded among us have learned that.

The irony is thick here.

I hope I remain a person who can respect and understand those of other beliefs - whether it be atheist, agnostic, Christian, Muslim, Buddist, etc, regardless of poor examples of each.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: sao123
science doent have an agenda... but most of the people who use it do, and try to make it say and prove things which arent true or unprovable...

science can never refute whether any individual religion or all world religions as a whole as being false.
OP has an agenda, therefore all his results are biased and BS.

I'll agree that the OP is biased. But to what are you referring by "try to make it say and prove things which aren't true or unprovable"??

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt


No, we grasp it just fine, it's the believers that miss the point. We know that the bible is pure fiction,

Much of the bible is very historical and not fiction.

The fact that it mentions a few people that existed and takes place in real world cities does not make it historical. The real meat of the bible, the earthshaking events, the miracles, the revelations, ALL BULLSHIT. The fact that Superman and Batman are set on earth does not make them historical and neither is the bible.

written by control freaks using the "visions" of schizophrenics and recycling the same fairy tales that were used in previous religions.

Uhm no. Do some research on who wrote books in the bible. A lot of it was written by people who had no intent of anyone ever even reading what they wrote. So how could they be control freaks ? If I take a journal you wrote and publish it after your death, does that mean you meant to control people ?

The bible was written by thousands of freaks throughout history that wrote other religions. That's pretty much all the bible is, a collection of stories, fables and myths that were used by the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Sumerians and other "pagan" religions based in that area. The stories were passed around all of the med and like a giant telephone game, they changed a bit over each telling. The people who collected those stories into the bible were most definitely control freaks. There were 50+ "gospels" that mention the life of Jesus in some form. One original "gospel" and three copies of it were kept as the "word of god" while the others were buried and the people that knew about them killed or otherwise silenced. Why you may ask? You *should* ask because you're pretty clearly ignorant on the subject. Because that one gospel and the three copies of it were the only ones that attribute any sort of divinity to Jesus. In the rest he was just a rabble-rousing hippie that didn't perform any miracles and that didn't have any special relationship with god. So 40+ that say something similar are hidden while one and three copies of the one are kept and you claim that it's not written by control freaks? ROFLMAO!!!

The educated and open-minded among us have learned that.

I'm thinking by educated that you mean hearsay.

I'm thinking that thinking is beyond you. The major events of the bible are proven wrong. The earth isn't 6,000 years old, there was no great flood, it's all bullshit. Even the bible can't agree with itself. The four gospels, even though it's one original work and three copies, contradict themselves and each other in thousands of places. You'd know that if you ever read it instead of trying to debate a topic with which you're not familiar.

But the wannabelievers and the thumpers pass that tripe off as FACT, as the word of the great cosmic muffin, king of the pedophiles. It doesn't matter when it was written, if it was fact, if it was divine it would hold up over time. The fact that it doesn't proves that it's a fairy tale.

No some people pass it off as fact. That doesn't make the bible itself bad only the people that interpret as fact wrong.

Like the churches and religions that are based on the big book of fairy tales? Seriously, are you this naive about the history of biblical religions? Up until very recently suggesting that the bible was anything other than fact was grounds for excommunication and even murder. Only recently has science so destroyed the fairy tales that the churches were forced to backpedal into "it's only allegorical stories, we don't mean to take it literally". For 2000 years they damn sure took it literally and forced their followers to take it literally.

The majority of ATOT grasps that perfectly.

No they don't. The majority jump on threads like this because they have seen some movie , a news article, and they have jumped to conclusions. Very few have actually spent any time going over the actual history or researching the details.

You're perfect proof of that. You need to get a lot better educated on this topic before attempting to debate it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: magomago

Note: the last part is just ideas and is in no way the official Quranic stance. But it is trying to synthesize what we know scientifically with religion.

I do not refute the fact that floods have occurred through out history in the Mediterranean. Noah's story was blown out of proportion and I find it amazing that people still believe it today.

You have no clue what you stepped into....trying to disprove Noah`s flood!!

What I find amusing is your arrogance and lack of knowledge on any subject that you have ever posted about!

Then I find the depth of your answers refuting the biblical account of Noah`s flood to be mystifying....in fact your answer in response was truly shall we say childish-- I don't care where you graduated from. If you still believe in these tall tales and myths you are no smarter than the rest.


There is no proof and nothing you can say to Debunk anything biblical just like there is not a whole lot you can say to prove any of these things iether.

You will not convince any believer to abandone their faith because they just look at people like you and laugh.....it`s all about one word--- iether you have it or you don`t -- FAITH!!!

 

[RedArmy]

This should keep you entertained for a few days then: Text

 

[Vic]

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[Vic]

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
LOL someone trying to debunk miracles using science..........

"For it is the chief characteristic of the religion of science that it works... " -- Isaac Asimov

 

[Lean L]

What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

 

[Lean L]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

If it is, I could change your mind about that statement you just made no?

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

Science.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

Science.

Science merely affirms the fantasy.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: iamanidiot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

If it is, I could change your mind about that statement you just made no?

If it is, then the only meaning to your posts is why I decided to make them up.

 

[Lean L]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

If it is, I could change your mind about that statement you just made no?

If it is, then the only meaning to your posts is why I decided to make them up.

So, thus, by not answering how you were supposed to answer that question, reality is not a fantasy.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: iamanidiot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

If it is, I could change your mind about that statement you just made no?

That'll convince him.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

Science.

Science merely affirms the fantasy.

Sure, if you ignore definitions of words, and all that silly shit right.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

Science.

Science merely affirms the fantasy.

Sure, if you ignore definitions of words, and all that silly shit right.

What defines words?

I'm just screwin' with you, guy. You seem to have confused your interpretation of reality with reality itself.

Rest assured, I'm far more of scientist than you are. You still have far too much faith.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: iamanidiot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: iamanidiot
What is the point of trying to debunk the bible? It's a fantasy gone rabid.

Who says reality is not itself a fantasy? You?

If it is, I could change your mind about that statement you just made no?

If it is, then the only meaning to your posts is why I decided to make them up.

So, thus, by not answering how you were supposed to answer that question, reality is not a fantasy.

You can only prove that reality is real, not that it is not a fantasy. The latter would be impossible by the scientific method.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

seeing those videos down rated and reading many of those rabid comments depresses me, humanity has a ways to go

 

[randay]

they did that episode on the bible on mythbusters. they totally busted it. there is no god.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: OCguy
All you need to believe is parents who force the shit down your throat when you are at the age when you believe a man can deliver packages to every house in a single night, and have time to stop and eat your cookies. Or that a tiny winged woman will lift your pillow in the middle of the night and leave you currency in exchange for your nasty ass teeth.

Let me guess...you're going to tell me the Easter Bunny doesn't exist! You my friend clearly don't have faith!

The Easter Bunny is a cover for Peter Rabbit, who was actually Saint Peter, who was the first pope, and he had to cover his long ears, so this is why the pope's hat is so tall.

 

[Fritzo]

BTW- There was most likely a great flood that the biblical story was based on:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...07/09/070907150931.htm

Many cultures have a similar story of this event.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today.

You are a moron.

Do you have links that prove that Southerners have a lower intellect than the rest of the US? Many of this countries most influential fore fathers were southerners including Washington and Jefferson. The best economies in the US today are in the southern states and some prestigious universities are in the south.

Funny thing is there are as many people in the north that believe stuff like the earth is 6000 years old and in a flood. They believe it not on science but purely on faith. You can not disprove faith with science because faith is based on belief, not on actual evidence. That doesn't make people who believe that stuff stupid or even a lower intellect. It just means they are willing to accept the supernatural over the natural.

I personally believe these stories in the bible were meant to be morality tales and not a actual recording of history. People that try to take these stories as actual historical events are just misguided, not stupid.