polarmystery
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I do not refute the fact that floods have occurred through out history in the Mediterranean. Noah's story was blown out of proportion and I find it amazing that people still believe it today.
I love those waffle makers that most hotels have at the breakfast areas. Where you put the batter in and flip it over to start the timer.
I'm not trying to counter or argue you lol. I was asking on what the exact official Christian position is. I know what it is like to have things constantly exaggerated or mis represented.
Given that, I thought it might be good to give a starting point on what the Quran's official position is. The story is somewhat similar, although the Quran clearly says it is something local. Now how 'Local' is local? The side of a city? A county? A region? A whole basin (Meditereanean)? Who knows - that is up for discussion...but it isn't the point or message of the story
Dumac
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You are a pretty skilled troll. You throw out a unrelated bit of bait too.
Do you really think that people in the south are actually significantly stupider than those in other areas of the nation? If so, you need to stop jerking yourself off with disillusion.
Zeeky Boogy Doog
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First of all...
Several datasets of iq by state
The average IQ of the south is clearly slightly lower, but that completely misses the point, it's a joke, why do you feel it necessary to point out exceptions to a joke?
Second, you always come into these threads and act offended, if you're not willing to join in a debate/discussion, why constantly disrupt it? You do have the option to keep your fingers in your ears and not click the thread. Let me hypothesize... you consciously want to believe, but unconsciously recognize the dissonance between your beliefs and the facts, which causes you to click the threads, but also makes you angry. There are many religious people who have recognized that the bible was basically written by a bunch of idiots (they did write about how the world was flat, it was a reasonable guess at the time, how could they know?) but are still able to take a healthy religious message from it without trying to destroy everything the intellectual world has to say about our history. What's stopping you?
Edit: poster above me gets a /facepalm too
Dumac
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If a little picture says so, I must believe it.
It didn't come off as a joke, but rather an ignorant attempt to be offensive.
I've been all over the nation. People in the south aren't stupider than the rest of the country. Sure, the south is a fucked up place, mainly due to the civil war, but the people aren't inherently dumber. They just lack certain resources and live a different lifestyle.
OutHouse
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get off your high horse troll. i wasn't offended, i don't live in the south so i really don't give a shit. as Dumac said the OP made a ignorant statement while trying to offensive.
oh and your amateurish attempt at a hypothesis about me is very wrong . I know what i believe in its tools like you and the OP who are still searching for answers to feel complete.
FeuerFrei
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Apparently it never occurred to the makers of the video linked, that during the cataclysmic tectonic shifts that accompanied the flood the entire face of the planet was reconfigured. Continents were formed and rearranged. The water contained by the earth today could no longer flood the surface without a lot of leveling, but flooding the antediluvian earth could very well be possible.
Scientific and historical evidence for the Flood is out there. Make no mistake. The mere existence of massive subterranean oil deposits worldwide is one proof.
Conclusions from data are predetermined by the assumptions of the scientist. Scientists have difficulty being objective, and lots don't even try.
If you are truly intellectual, open-minded, and interested in discovering the truth you will look at evidence presented by scientists with opposite assumptions.
I don't know if you really believe this stuff you posted but I'll comment.
(bolded my response)
Sometimes the "debunking" of the Flood only works if you assume today's earth functions exactly like it did long ago. Which is ridiculous because it has obviously been reconfigured atmospherically and geologically.
Scientific and historical evidence for the Flood is out there. Make no mistake. The mere existence of massive subterranean oil deposits worldwide is one proof.
Conclusions from data are predetermined by the assumptions of the scientist. Scientists have difficulty being objective, and lots don't even try.
If you are truly intellectual, open-minded, and interested in discovering the truth you will look at evidence presented by scientists with opposite assumptions.
I don't know if you really believe this stuff you posted but I'll comment.
(bolded my response)
Sometimes the "debunking" of the Flood only works if you assume today's earth functions exactly like it did long ago. Which is ridiculous because it has obviously been reconfigured atmospherically and geologically.
sao123
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you have debunked exactly zero, zilch, nothing.
Not only have you debunked nothing, you plaigarized what some other "no-nothing" has written.
go drill some 25,000 cores analyse the data, come up with a theory, be proven wrong by some christians, wash, rinse, repeat until JC shows up at your door and smacks you for being a moron.
jonks
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If you separate the Flood from Noah, who knows, but they are offered together, and even if the former happened, the latter did not.
And another thing, if god had Noah put 2 of everything on the boat as if the fucking animals did something wrong and needed to be wiped out, why'd he spare all the fish and whales for whom water posed no burden?
waggy
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i am pretty religious person. but debunking things in the bible? my goodness thats not hard. I have never taken the bible as a the word of god. to many conflicting story's and to much BS.
I always figured the bible was a collection of short story's based on something that kinda really happened. such as the flood. there is enough evidence that a very bad flood happened in that area. do i think god did it to kill off the sinners? no.
I always figured the bible was a collection of short story's based on something that kinda really happened. such as the flood. there is enough evidence that a very bad flood happened in that area. do i think god did it to kill off the sinners? no.
Boring. I prefer debunking more secular things. Like the golden rule. Doesn't work always. e.g. attractive woman. I would have her do unto me things that would make me go to jail doing unto her.
Great big lions and saber-toothed tigers too. More like the glacial plains, then came the forests.
GagHalfrunt
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A flood happened EVERYWHERE. Early civilizations grew around water sources, of course they flooded. Every single one of them was flooded not just once, but likely over and over and over again. Anyone with an IQ over 3 understands that and anyone that passed a high school science course should know that there's not a shred of evidence to support a worldwide, epic scale flood, so of course it's debunked and of course it wasn't some god-spawned act of vengeance against some sinners. But that doesn't keep people from believing it. There are a HUGE number of people that take the Big Book of Fairy Tales as fact, as gospel, as history. So of course we laugh at them.
Modelworks
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Your logic is flawed. You are thinking like a person in this century rather than someone in the time when that was written.
If I kept you in a 8 x 10 cell from the time you were born and told you there was nothing more just this room, and then filled it up with water and you almost drowned. You too would think that the world had flooded.
World has different meanings depending on the year you are talking about.
Something people, especially on this forum, cannot seem to grasp. Stop reading the bible and comparing it to modern day science. It was not written now so why should things in it be judged on what we know now. Put yourself in the place of the people that wrote the bible, with only what they knew at the time and the bible starts to make a whole lot of sense.
People often debunk genesis, saying God couldn't create everything . Picture yourself 4000 years ago with what they knew. Now describe how the universe was created . I can't wait to see the replies.
Similarly, if you grew up on a small farm you might think that "collecting every species" just means you, your wife, a chicken, a rooster, a cow, a bull, and maybe a few other animals. So, basically, Noah was probably some farmer who made a few rafts out of barn door wood and then took his livestock across the river when it flooded.
waggy
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sure they flooded. enarly every year. but what i am talking about is there is proof of a huge flood. far larger then any regular at the time. To them it may have been "worldwide". while not covering the whole globe it may have covered all they knew.
As i said i agree that the bible is not what people make it out to be. i always thought it was a collection of stories (based in fact but twisted) twisted to fit some people for power.
but saying that yes i do believe in God.
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