Debunking Biblical Myths

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Something people, especially on this forum, cannot seem to grasp. Stop reading the bible and comparing it to modern day science. It was not written now so why should things in it be judged on what we know now. Put yourself in the place of the people that wrote the bible, with only what they knew at the time and the bible starts to make a whole lot of sense.

People often debunk genesis, saying God couldn't create everything . Picture yourself 4000 years ago with what they knew. Now describe how the universe was created . I can't wait to see the replies.

Quite a few people seem to think that the Bible is the word of God, an entity unaffected by the passage of time. I'd also hope his intellect would be a bit greater than that of the mere humans of the time.

 

[SunSamurai]

HOLY SHIT TH BIBLE ISNT REAL AND IS JUST A METOPHRICAL TALE OF HUMANITIES STRUGGLE AGAINST GOOD AND EVIL AND MANY GOOD STORIES TO EXPAND ONES MIND TO HOW TO DEAL WITH LIFES ISSUES AND HOW TO GENERALLY BE A GOOD PERSON?


WTF?????????


People trying to "disprove" the bible as as bad as people taking it literally, becuse they dont see they are the same type of idiot on two different ends. Kinda like Rep and Demo. =D

 

[KeithTalent]

WTF I thought this thread was supposed to be about waffles.

<-- disappointed.

KT

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Modelworks


Something people, especially on this forum, cannot seem to grasp. Stop reading the bible and comparing it to modern day science. It was not written now so why should things in it be judged on what we know now. Put yourself in the place of the people that wrote the bible, with only what they knew at the time and the bible starts to make a whole lot of sense.

No, we grasp it just fine, it's the believers that miss the point. We know that the bible is pure fiction, written by control freaks using the "visions" of schizophrenics and recycling the same fairy tales that were used in previous religions. The educated and open-minded among us have learned that. But the wannabelievers and the thumpers pass that tripe off as FACT, as the word of the great cosmic muffin, king of the pedophiles. It doesn't matter when it was written, if it was fact, if it was divine it would hold up over time. The fact that it doesn't proves that it's a fairy tale. The majority of ATOT grasps that perfectly.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
WTF I thought this thread was supposed to be about waffles.

<-- disappointed.

KT

waffles suck. get over it.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Quite a few people seem to think that the Bible is the word of God, an entity unaffected by the passage of time. I'd also hope his intellect would be a bit greater than that of the mere humans of the time.

The people that study the bible don't take it literally. They know that it is about the lessons and ideas rather than literally believing angels are some winged beings hovering above us.

If you had superior knowledge 4000 years ago, how would you explain things to those people in ways they understand ? Would you start telling them about atoms, and matter, and physics ? Of course not. It would be like me or you trying to tell a 1 year old how to do calculus.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt


No, we grasp it just fine, it's the believers that miss the point. We know that the bible is pure fiction,

Much of the bible is very historical and not fiction.

written by control freaks using the "visions" of schizophrenics and recycling the same fairy tales that were used in previous religions.

Uhm no. Do some research on who wrote books in the bible. A lot of it was written by people who had no intent of anyone ever even reading what they wrote. So how could they be control freaks ? If I take a journal you wrote and publish it after your death, does that mean you meant to control people ?

The educated and open-minded among us have learned that.

I'm thinking by educated that you mean hearsay.

But the wannabelievers and the thumpers pass that tripe off as FACT, as the word of the great cosmic muffin, king of the pedophiles. It doesn't matter when it was written, if it was fact, if it was divine it would hold up over time. The fact that it doesn't proves that it's a fairy tale.

No some people pass it off as fact. That doesn't make the bible itself bad only the people that interpret as fact wrong.

The majority of ATOT grasps that perfectly.

No they don't. The majority jump on threads like this because they have seen some movie , a news article, and they have jumped to conclusions. Very few have actually spent any time going over the actual history or researching the details.

 

[MrWizzard]

LOL someone trying to debunk miracles using science..........

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL

Your logic is flawed. You are thinking like a person in this century rather than someone in the time when that was written.

If I kept you in a 8 x 10 cell from the time you were born and told you there was nothing more just this room, and then filled it up with water and you almost drowned. You too would think that the world had flooded.

World has different meanings depending on the year you are talking about.



Something people, especially on this forum, cannot seem to grasp. Stop reading the bible and comparing it to modern day science. It was not written now so why should things in it be judged on what we know now. Put yourself in the place of the people that wrote the bible, with only what they knew at the time and the bible starts to make a whole lot of sense.

People often debunk genesis, saying God couldn't create everything . Picture yourself 4000 years ago with what they knew. Now describe how the universe was created . I can't wait to see the replies.

Exactly.

What better reason to throw the Bible away?

We don't keep 1850's textbooks and hold them as sacred because "that's how people thought back then and they didn't know any better" and neither should we hold onto a book full of barbarism, inconsistencies, outdated morals and societal mores, and superstition.

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
WTF I thought this thread was supposed to be about waffles.

<-- disappointed.

KT

waffles suck. get over it.

fuck you old man!

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

What better reason to throw the Bible away?

We don't keep 1850's textbooks and hold them as sacred because "that's how people thought back then and they didn't know any better" and neither should we hold onto a book full of barbarism, inconsistencies, outdated morals and societal mores, and superstition.

Because it still has a lot to teach people. It gives people hope, the ability to see themselves as more than a bunch of atoms walking around with the only conclusion to their existence being nothingness.

To people that only believe in what can be proven by science and math, do you love anyone ? Have you told them that you consider them to be just a bunch of atoms and molecules working inside mathematical equations and that is all there is to it ? Love is just science right ?

 

[SunSamurai]

Yeah fuck the waffle haters!

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
WTF I thought this thread was supposed to be about waffles.

<-- disappointed.

KT

waffles suck. get over it.

YOU SUCK!

KT

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: child of wonder

What better reason to throw the Bible away?

We don't keep 1850's textbooks and hold them as sacred because "that's how people thought back then and they didn't know any better" and neither should we hold onto a book full of barbarism, inconsistencies, outdated morals and societal mores, and superstition.

Because it still has a lot to teach people. It gives people hope, the ability to see themselves as more than a bunch of atoms walking around with the only conclusion to their existence being nothingness.

To people that only believe in what can be proven by science and math, do you love anyone ? Have you told them that you consider them to be just a bunch of atoms and molecules working inside mathematical equations and that is all there is to it ? Love is just science right ?

How we love is something unique to each and every one of us. "Love" to you is completely different than "love" to the next guy. It's up to US to assign a value to "love" not a book, myth, a god, and certainly not people sitting in straw huts 2000+ years ago in the Middle East.

The same goes for life. It's our responsibility to assign value to our existence. I know, that's a tall order and it's very comforting to have a meaning and value assigned to life so that one isn't burdened, but as I grow older I find more meaning and beauty in this life the more and more I abandon whatever parameters others try to place on it.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: child of wonder

What better reason to throw the Bible away?

We don't keep 1850's textbooks and hold them as sacred because "that's how people thought back then and they didn't know any better" and neither should we hold onto a book full of barbarism, inconsistencies, outdated morals and societal mores, and superstition.

Because it still has a lot to teach people. It gives people hope, the ability to see themselves as more than a bunch of atoms walking around with the only conclusion to their existence being nothingness.

To people that only believe in what can be proven by science and math, do you love anyone ? Have you told them that you consider them to be just a bunch of atoms and molecules working inside mathematical equations and that is all there is to it ? Love is just science right ?

Wouldn't Stripper Factories and Beer Volcanoes be easier?

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: child of wonder

What better reason to throw the Bible away?

We don't keep 1850's textbooks and hold them as sacred because "that's how people thought back then and they didn't know any better" and neither should we hold onto a book full of barbarism, inconsistencies, outdated morals and societal mores, and superstition.

Because it still has a lot to teach people. It gives people hope, the ability to see themselves as more than a bunch of atoms walking around with the only conclusion to their existence being nothingness.

To people that only believe in what can be proven by science and math, do you love anyone ? Have you told them that you consider them to be just a bunch of atoms and molecules working inside mathematical equations and that is all there is to it ? Love is just science right ?

How we love is something unique to each and every one of us. "Love" to you is completely different than "love" to the next guy. It's up to US to assign a value to "love" not a book, myth, a god, and certainly not people sitting in straw huts 2000+ years ago in the Middle East.

The same goes for life. It's our responsibility to assign value to our existence. I know, that's a tall order and it's very comforting to have a meaning and value assigned to life so that one isn't burdened, but as I grow older I find more meaning and beauty in this life the more and more I abandon whatever parameters others try to place on it.

You try and act all insightful and experienced but you come off as very naive. Did you ever stop and ponder the fact that our experiences and choices we make dictate how we do things like love, hate and have an open or closed mind? Guess what? The bible and religion in general have already effected you, but youre too uptight to accept it. I personally reject Christianity and all that because it is too close-minded for me. It takes normal people and makes 1/3 of them into close-minded anti-science dipshits, another 1/3 into close minded-anti religion dipshits, and rest are happy and accept both of the other thirds as dipshits while actually getting some wisdom out of both sides they witness..

So im not too happy with the success rate there.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL

The Great Flood Debunked


-Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that the earth is in fact 4.7 billion years old....a lot of fundies still believe it to be only 5,000. This one easily annoys me the most because this should be common sense. Not only do we have a huge fossil record that stretches over millions of years, we also have evidence from early humans. Here is a sculpture that is dated to be around 32,000 years old.

Lion man

-Now how about the story of Jonah? Surviving inside a fish for 3 days and 3 nights? I don't really need to go further with this one....

-I wonder what would happen to me if I came back from a hike in the mountains telling everyone that God spoke to me and has ordered me to issue his new laws of the land. I would probably be laughed and and thrown into a psych ward. Not Moses though...
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today. His experience was so credible that people today still follow what the schizophrenic voices in Moses's head told him thousands of years ago.

It worked for this guy.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL

The Great Flood Debunked


-Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that the earth is in fact 4.7 billion years old....a lot of fundies still believe it to be only 5,000. This one easily annoys me the most because this should be common sense. Not only do we have a huge fossil record that stretches over millions of years, we also have evidence from early humans. Here is a sculpture that is dated to be around 32,000 years old.

Lion man

-Now how about the story of Jonah? Surviving inside a fish for 3 days and 3 nights? I don't really need to go further with this one....

-I wonder what would happen to me if I came back from a hike in the mountains telling everyone that God spoke to me and has ordered me to issue his new laws of the land. I would probably be laughed and and thrown into a psych ward. Not Moses though...
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today. His experience was so credible that people today still follow what the schizophrenic voices in Moses's head told him thousands of years ago.

you have debunked exactly zero, zilch, nothing.
Not only have you debunked nothing, you plaigarized what some other "no-nothing" has written.

go drill some 25,000 cores analyse the data, come up with a theory, be proven wrong by some christians, wash, rinse, repeat until JC shows up at your door and smacks you for being a moron.

Uhhhhhh,
1st of all, science doesn't have an agenda. It looks at the evidence and reaches a logical conclusion. If there was evidence of a worldwide flood, there is no conspiracy in science to deny it in favor of some other conclusion. Christians have NEVER proven the age of the earth to be 6000 years old, except to a bunch of dolts who have minimal or no knowledge of the evidence to the contrary. Furthermore, the majority of the world's Christians do NOT believe the Earth is 6000 years old. That sub-category of Christians represents a small (but vocal) minority of idiots. Even the Catholics realized "Dude, there's soooooooooo much evidence for the Big Bang & Evolution, that we're going to look like a bunch of fucking retards (like we did when we denied that the Earth was round and the Sun was at the center of the Solar System) if we deny those facts.


Furthermore, for the poster above with the nonsense about how the Earth was so different before the flood, etc. Bullshit. There is so much evidence to the contrary that anyone who denies it is either ignorant of the facts or, well, just ignorant. Don't you think that scientists might have found evidence to say "hey, it looks like the land was a lot flatter when all the continents were together as Pangeia" (sp?). Instead, the evidence points to a FAR different conclusion.

edit: I think the literal interpreters explanations of each piece of evidence can best be described as "you're making this stuff as you go along."

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Apparently it never occurred to the makers of the video linked, that during the cataclysmic tectonic shifts that accompanied the flood the entire face of the planet was reconfigured. Continents were formed and rearranged. The water contained by the earth today could no longer flood the surface without a lot of leveling, but flooding the antediluvian earth could very well be possible.

Scientific and historical evidence for the Flood is out there. Make no mistake. The mere existence of massive subterranean oil deposits worldwide is one proof.

Conclusions from data are predetermined by the assumptions of the scientist. Scientists have difficulty being objective, and lots don't even try.
If you are truly intellectual, open-minded, and interested in discovering the truth you will look at evidence presented by scientists with opposite assumptions.

I don't know if you really believe this stuff you posted but I'll comment.
(bolded my response)

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL Use your brain. Don't rush to dismiss. Ever hear of subspeciation? Plus "kind" doesn't necessarily mean "species."

The Great Flood Debunked

-Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that the earth is in fact 4.7 billion years old....a lot of fundies still believe it to be only 5,000. This one easily annoys me the most because this should be common sense. Not only do we have a huge fossil record that stretches over millions of years, we also have evidence from early humans. Here is a sculpture that is dated to be around 32,000 years old. (Uh... Human history only extends back a few thousand years, and the world's present population is consistent with a single family surviving the flood several thousand years ago.)

Lion man

-Now how about the story of Jonah? Surviving inside a fish for 3 days and 3 nights? I don't really need to go further with this one....
(So you prefer to conceive of a god who cannot pull that off. Ok.)

-I wonder what would happen to me if I came back from a hike in the mountains telling everyone that God spoke to me and has ordered me to issue his new laws of the land. I would probably be laughed and and thrown into a psych ward. Not Moses though...
(Well Moses returned with his face still glowing from exposure to the glory of God and God had been physically guiding him and his followers with a pillar of fire for months, so naturally one would be inclined to believe Moses.)
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today. (lol riiiight) His experience was so credible that people today still follow what the schizophrenic voices in Moses's head told him thousands of years ago.
(Because they recognize the wisdom and truth contained in those precepts which man himself would be unlikely to concoct. Come on.)

Sometimes the "debunking" of the Flood only works if you assume today's earth functions exactly like it did long ago. Which is ridiculous because it has obviously been reconfigured atmospherically and geologically.

-Oil comes from trees and other vegetation. Last time I checked, trees and vegetation are found almost everywhere.

-Human history only extends back a few thousand years? Try a few HUNDRED thousand years. If you are talking about recorded history...well the Romans were the first to start that since they were one of the first to actually have a written language. Early humans went without written language for thousands of years before that, but they still made art which is shown in the link that I posted...

I don't really care to argue anymore of your baseless "evidence" so I will leave it at that.

Did you just sleep through your science and ancient history classes?

 

[MrWizzard]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

You try and act all insightful and experienced but you come off as very naive. Did you ever stop and ponder the fact that our experiences and choices we make dictate how we do things like love, hate and have an open or closed mind? Guess what? The bible and religion in general have already effected you, but youre too uptight to accept it. I personally reject Christianity and all that because it is too close-minded for me. It takes normal people and makes 1/3 of them into close-minded anti-science dipshits, another 1/3 into close minded-anti religion dipshits, and rest are happy and accept both of the other thirds as dipshits while actually getting some wisdom out of both sides they witness..

So im not too happy with the success rate there.

LOL, ouch self-owned.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
If you are talking about recorded history...well the Romans were the first to start that since they were one of the first to actually have a written language.

No.
Written language is way older than Rome . Writing from Mesopotamia exist from over 3000 years before the Romans that contain everything from farm records to politics. The Jewish Torah has been confirmed to be over 2500 years old.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: child of wonder

What better reason to throw the Bible away?

We don't keep 1850's textbooks and hold them as sacred because "that's how people thought back then and they didn't know any better" and neither should we hold onto a book full of barbarism, inconsistencies, outdated morals and societal mores, and superstition.

Because it still has a lot to teach people. It gives people hope, the ability to see themselves as more than a bunch of atoms walking around with the only conclusion to their existence being nothingness.

To people that only believe in what can be proven by science and math, do you love anyone ? Have you told them that you consider them to be just a bunch of atoms and molecules working inside mathematical equations and that is all there is to it ? Love is just science right ?

How we love is something unique to each and every one of us. "Love" to you is completely different than "love" to the next guy. It's up to US to assign a value to "love" not a book, myth, a god, and certainly not people sitting in straw huts 2000+ years ago in the Middle East.

To hear people talk though they claim anything not explained with science is fiction. The bible doesn't tell us how to love, it doesn't have to , love is part of being human. Science is great and it has its place in life, but it should not be the default catchall for everything anymore than God should.


If you look into the eyes of a child and cannot grasp that maybe there is more to life than what can be explained then you are already dead.

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL

The Great Flood Debunked


-Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that the earth is in fact 4.7 billion years old....a lot of fundies still believe it to be only 5,000. This one easily annoys me the most because this should be common sense. Not only do we have a huge fossil record that stretches over millions of years, we also have evidence from early humans. Here is a sculpture that is dated to be around 32,000 years old.

Yeah, you're right, the Bible is definitely not a science textbook nor a primary source historical document. So I guess I should disregard last week's sermon about particle physics, and next week's about the Old Testament references to the Spanish-American War.

One suggestion, since you seem to have so much time on your hands to "debunk biblical myths," why don't you do something useful instead? I suggest you might consider taking a class on how the Bible (and other religious works) have influenced modern culture; everything from literature, art, music, to even science.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: child of wonder

What better reason to throw the Bible away?

We don't keep 1850's textbooks and hold them as sacred because "that's how people thought back then and they didn't know any better" and neither should we hold onto a book full of barbarism, inconsistencies, outdated morals and societal mores, and superstition.

Because it still has a lot to teach people. It gives people hope, the ability to see themselves as more than a bunch of atoms walking around with the only conclusion to their existence being nothingness.

To people that only believe in what can be proven by science and math, do you love anyone ? Have you told them that you consider them to be just a bunch of atoms and molecules working inside mathematical equations and that is all there is to it ? Love is just science right ?

How we love is something unique to each and every one of us. "Love" to you is completely different than "love" to the next guy. It's up to US to assign a value to "love" not a book, myth, a god, and certainly not people sitting in straw huts 2000+ years ago in the Middle East.

The same goes for life. It's our responsibility to assign value to our existence. I know, that's a tall order and it's very comforting to have a meaning and value assigned to life so that one isn't burdened, but as I grow older I find more meaning and beauty in this life the more and more I abandon whatever parameters others try to place on it.

You try and act all insightful and experienced but you come off as very naive. Did you ever stop and ponder the fact that our experiences and choices we make dictate how we do things like love, hate and have an open or closed mind? Guess what? The bible and religion in general have already effected you, but youre too uptight to accept it. I personally reject Christianity and all that because it is too close-minded for me. It takes normal people and makes 1/3 of them into close-minded anti-science dipshits, another 1/3 into close minded-anti religion dipshits, and rest are happy and accept both of the other thirds as dipshits while actually getting some wisdom out of both sides they witness..

So im not too happy with the success rate there.

I iwas raised Christian and that indoctrination still haunts me as an adult with children of his own. Naturally, I would agree that my religious upbringing shapes some of my deeply held values at levels I may not even be aware of.

So, as you said, "our experiences and choices dictate how we do things like love, hate and have an open or closed mind [sic]" would be accurate in that our experiences (both intended by choice and unintended) shape who we are and, often, how we think.

But I'm failing to see how I'm too uptight to accept that.

So I'm naive and uptight then. Thank you.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: child of wonder

What better reason to throw the Bible away?

We don't keep 1850's textbooks and hold them as sacred because "that's how people thought back then and they didn't know any better" and neither should we hold onto a book full of barbarism, inconsistencies, outdated morals and societal mores, and superstition.

Because it still has a lot to teach people. It gives people hope, the ability to see themselves as more than a bunch of atoms walking around with the only conclusion to their existence being nothingness.

To people that only believe in what can be proven by science and math, do you love anyone ? Have you told them that you consider them to be just a bunch of atoms and molecules working inside mathematical equations and that is all there is to it ? Love is just science right ?

How we love is something unique to each and every one of us. "Love" to you is completely different than "love" to the next guy. It's up to US to assign a value to "love" not a book, myth, a god, and certainly not people sitting in straw huts 2000+ years ago in the Middle East.

To hear people talk though they claim anything not explained with science is fiction. The bible doesn't tell us how to love, it doesn't have to , love is part of being human. Science is great and it has its place in life, but it should not be the default catchall for everything anymore than God should.


If you look into the eyes of a child and cannot grasp that maybe there is more to life than what can be explained then you are already dead.

I don't think we're in disagreement here. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you're claiming that the bible can assist one in explaining love and giving life meaning. Without some meaning and purpose life becomes a menial march to oblivion.

I'm simply arguing that we are capable of interpreting love (meaning we can take whatever emotional state we feel and label it as "love") and enjoying a meaningful life without the inclusion of a god or bible.

As Laplace said when asked by Napoleon why he did not include god in work concerning the cosmos:

"[No, Sire,] I had no need of that hypothesis."