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CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: slayer202
you are an idiot

You're an Internet tough guy, we get it...


Originally posted by: SlickSnake

A Sliders fanboy, perhaps? ;)

No, but I did look it up after you posted. Not quite sure if the movie (or is it a show?) is exactly the same premise, but I didn't think my theory was original anyway. ;) Nor do I think it is true - just something I thought about.


Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: CrimsonChaos
I'll use my next post to explain a possible theory that I thought of one day.
Please don't! :Q

Ok, I won't!


Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: CrimsonChaos
(Please read my previous post)

One strange theory I thought of . . .

Too late. :(

Ah, darn...


 

SlickSnake

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For the Bible thumpers: When you die, you DIE. So get ready for a good long sleep until the resurrections happen. No heaven and no hell until then. Nite nite Jesus freaks and Devil worshipers! A good long read for the concept of death based on the Bible, for what that's worth.
Your Next Experience Immediately After Death: What Really Happens After You Die ?

Personally, I know what happens when you die. But I am not allowed or willing to tell. It just makes it more interesting that way for the rest of you. But, suffice it to say, you get your just or unjust rewards when you die, based on your total recorded Karma rating when you are alive. Similar to the Heaven and Hell in the Christian dogma, but with a completely different outcome than you would expect.

Good luck, lifetime gamers! And fare thee well! :thumbsup:

Or else! :thumbsdown:

 

TheShiz

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this is a stupid question because the answer is obvious to you all. think back to the time before you were born. what was it like? take your time.

this is what it is like when you are dead, and you all know it. Now get over yourself and enjoy what you have left, it's all we get.
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: TheShiz
this is a stupid question because the answer is obvious to you all. think back to the time before you were born. what was it like? take your time.

this is what it is like when you are dead, and you all know it. Now get over yourself and enjoy what you have left, it's all we get.

Some people remember previous lives as children, down to specific names and personal details and as they grow older, they gradually forget these past incarnations. People and researchers have also confirmed some past lives reported by children and even adults as facts. But there is going to be plenty of room for anyone not directly involved to doubt these children or their vanishing past memories and lives. I would be more willing to believe a young childs past memories over an adults, since an adult can do research and then falsley claim those past memories as fact.

Also many of us may still retain some distant memories of the womb as various sensations like touch, taste or sounds. To say you would not remember these multiple sensations, would be like saying your brain did not work until the moment you were born. In fact, a lot of our sleeping dream state may actually reflect back on the time spent in the womb. Consciousness obviously does not start at birth. But at what point in the womb does it start? And where does it come from? Those are both pertinent questions to the life after death debate, I think.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: SlickSnake
People and researchers have also confirmed some past lives reported by children and even adults as facts.

Link or die.

 

zinfamous

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this is perhaps the best troll thread started by an uber lurker that I have ever seen.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
People and researchers have also confirmed some past lives reported by children and even adults as facts.

Link or die.

he never does.

and he never will.


why bother?
 

KingGheedora

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Originally posted by: Wolfcastle
No agenda. Just asking how you know and why you know.

It's a straightforward question, but if you are being stupid about it, I'll call you on it.

When you die entropy increases.
 

LittleNemoNES

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Since I am a product of electrical impulses in my brain, when my brain stops working I no longer exist.

Brings up an interesting point about if it is possible to preserve our minds for the future

(remembers Xenogears)
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: CrimsonChaos
(Please read my previous post)

One strange theory I thought of (and I'm sure it's not original and has been thought up before), but what if you never die (or at least only die when your body fails in all dimensions)? To be more accurate, what if you die in one universe - but then your spirit (or stream of conciousness) traverses into another universe where you are still alive?

For example, have you ever thought of all the "near-death" experiences you've had? I remember one time when I was a kid I was in a terrible car wreck. The car was totaled, mangled beyond repair. I had but a few scratches on me. What if in that universe, I died in that wreck. My spirit moves into a different plane (perhaps this one), where now I'm in a universe where that same wreck leaves me relatively unscathed.

In the original universe, everyone grieves my death. But in the new universe, I continue life as though nothing had ever happened. Universes and their timelines all exist in parallel and perhaps simultaneously. In fact, the people that you see die in your life move to another timeline where they are still alive. You mourn for them "here", but as far as they are aware, they are still alive in a different universe.

It is only when your body fails in ALL universes and ALL timelines (if that is possible), that you truly cease to exist. Now of course, this is just a theory -- just another possibility of the millions of billions of quatrillions of possibilities of what happens when we die. And of course, this theory does not explain what happens when you do die in all timelines.

Or maybe it's just something interesting to think about.

Why would this happen? I mean, you just pulled this out of yer ass and somehow it is a possibility? :p
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
this is perhaps the best troll thread started by an uber lurker that I have ever seen.

And you should know first hand. :p

So much for adding any edible meat to them dry thread bones in your post, Zinny. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:


Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
People and researchers have also confirmed some past lives reported by children and even adults as facts.

Link or die.

he never does.

and he never will.


why bother?

That is a complete lie. Don't know who you are trying to impress or depress, but you seriously need to check your bad karma meter. Oh yea, you broke it already. Too bad then. WAY too bad. But the good one is almost like new. Too bad you can't take the good one with you when you go. ;)

 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
People and researchers have also confirmed some past lives reported by children and even adults as facts.

Link or die.

Touche! :light:

:gift: NEAR-DEATH . COM

If you like, I can also link various relevent articles that appear to concur with the statements I made. Or you can simply spend days browsing all the compelling evidence. But since most of you wouldn't even believe in aliens unless one landed on your lawn in a UFO and BBQed your dog with a raygun, I kind of doubt those same tormented souls will believe any of these articles, either. It's also kind of ironic the very same doubting Thomases can then be so gullible about various religions with no facts to support them, but there you go. :shocked:

I think that's enough to get you started, Perk, Zinny and anyone else who is interested. Your past and future lives are as close as your inner mind. And if you can eventually figure that part out and get past all the darkness blocking your way, you are well on your way to enlightenment. :sun:
 

Ruptga

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Originally posted by: grrl
No one knows. /thread

Thanks for summing up the Modern philosophers. On the other hand what's the saying, "close enough for government work"? Sure we can't absolutely know anything, but sometimes it just works. As I say, if it works, then it works.

And yeah, this is begging to be flamed, but here's to hoping both ATOT and the OP doesn't approach this like a tard because this is good food for thought.
 

RaistlinZ

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Think back to what your life was like in the eons before you were born. What were you feeling? What were you experiencing?

Your life after death will be pretty much the same.
 

CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Why would this happen? I mean, you just pulled this out of yer ass and somehow it is a possibility? :p

Yes, it is a possibility. At least as much as "going to heaven", vanishing into nothing, being reincarnated, becoming a ghost or any other number of theories that are possibilities. Why is it that some people run across an idea that seems inconceivable or unbelievable, but keep an open mind and explore it further, while others reject anything new or different than what they are accustomed to? The answer to that is simple, but I'll let you discover it on your own.

So to answer your question -- why would it happen? Why would any of the other theories happen? The explanation (to any of these) is not going to be derived from a math equation or some boolean logic, if that's what you are needing. But to try and put it into a more scientific form for you, even though this may not be the best example, look at the double-slit experiment. We all know what this is -- electrons behaving differently when passing through two slits, depending on whether or not they are observed. Our observation collapses the "waves".

Perhaps, in a somewhat similar manner, our existence and consciousness here is a collapsed version of our full selves. Perhaps our full (uncollapsed) selves actually exist in all dimensions of all universes. And when our stream of consciousness fails in one dimension within a universe, it shifts to another one where we survived. Perhaps you have died in trillions of other timelines, but your stream consciousness has collapsed your existence within this one for the time being.

Like I said, I don't necessarily believe in this - only that it is a possibility. If you feel I just pulled it out of my ass and it isn't possible, that's your perogative. But someday you'll realize the answer to the question that I posed you, and you might find yourself not so certain.
 

CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: TheShiz
this is a stupid question because the answer is obvious to you all. think back to the time before you were born. what was it like? take your time.

this is what it is like when you are dead, and you all know it. Now get over yourself and enjoy what you have left, it's all we get.

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Think back to what your life was like in the eons before you were born. What were you feeling? What were you experiencing?

Your life after death will be pretty much the same.

People use this argument often, and I'll admit I used to too when I was younger -- and yes, it is a possibility. But, as often with human theories, you are using simple human logic to draw your conclusions. It isn't necessarily bad that you do it, only that you recognize it. Look at the bible -- calling god a "he", saying you will "seated" and "at the right hand of" this "he". People often refer to heaven as "up" and hell as "down". People see heaven as mystical and magical place in the clouds, and hell as fire and brimstone -- again because these are human things they like/fear. Heck, even alleged alien sightings end up looking a lot like humanoid forms.

One theory that combats the "what were you feeling before you were born", is that your spirit does not have the same type of awareness you do in your corporal form. Your spirit does experience things once outside of your body, but those experiences are vastly different than what you know here on earth, and cannot be readily understood by the human mind or your body's five senses.

So it is not that your spirit experienced nothing before you were born. Instead, your human form cannot grasp what your spirit experienced, and thus you think that nothing happened before your stream of conciousness came to being. There are those who claim they still have some type of awareness of their spirit's pre-life experiences. While I don't necessarily believe it, it IS possible.

Take this example... let's say EVERYONE in the world were blind. We only have 4 senses, with sight not being one of them, and it is all we know. Now suddenly someone is born who has sight. They begin describing this "vision" to us, and how beautiful and wonderous it all is. But since we have never experienced sight, and have absolutely no knowledge of it, we cannot possibly understand what is being described. In fact we might think this person is even crazy and in need of help or medications. In the same way, people who have spiritual awareness may indeed have a sixth sense that we just cannot grasp because we are so accustomed to only five of them.

Again understand, I do not subscribe to this theory, only that it is possible that is true. But it shows that not everything is is black and white as people in this thread (who think they have all the answers even though they have apparently given this topic very little thought) would like to believe.