Dark Souls - the laziest console-to-PC port? (Update: Resolution Rendering Update)

[Ferzerp]

Yeah, I beat this game on 360. It takes a while to get the "go slow, and don't be bold with your exploration" game style down.

Luckily, the combat isn't overly tough at all at its core. For the most part, it's a really slowed down version of the newer ninja gaiden combat models. (block and counter or dodge and counter). Just remember to never initiate an offensive move while at close range unless it's something you far overpower. Always let the monster initiate and the counter it after blocking (or dodging). I never understood why people thought the newer ninja gaidens were hard. You just can't wail on buttons and kill everything. Just like this.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Come on... X-Box controllers for PC.. LOL!

... You sir, are a moron. Some games are easier with a gamepad, some are easier with a kb/mouse, but ultimately it's personal choice. No one here is a "console boy". Get over yourself. I do however disagree that a X360 pad is the "greatest" controller. I much prefer the PS2 style (which is what I'm using)


So I picked this up and started playing it. I'm having an issue and wondering if anyone knows if there is a setting to fix it. I tried the camera reversal settings but no go.

My camera movement seems backwards (using a controller) When I push up/down the camera is moving left/right, and when I push left/right my camera moves up/down. Makes it VERY difficult to focus anything. I'm wondering if something in my controller config is messed up except that it's the same config for any other game of this type I've used it for.

***UPDATE FIXED : apparently you need to put the config files inside the \darksouls\data folder rather than just the root \darksouls folder as in other games.

I do have to admit, for a PS3 game, it amazes me how "oldschool" the menus look.

 

[Ferzerp]

You a console boy? If so, I don't talk to console boys. Even if you have a PC and use a gamepad, you are a console boy in my opinion.

So no more talk. Enjoy your console world.

You really have no clue what you're talking about.

PCs have had gamepads since long before the current consoles have been around (and they're the best input method for certain types of games, and 3rd person meleers are really high on that list). Luckily though, this crop of consoles has produced a very nice gamepad for PC use (the 360 controller).

Console boy in this thread is coming off as less than bright, as are you with comments like that.

 

[The_Golden_Man]

... You sir, are a moron.

Who is the moron here? :whiste: Why not just get a console instead of trying to make your PC into one?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Who is the moron here? :whiste: Why not just get a console instead of trying to make your PC into one?

You do realize that consoles are "trying" to become PC's right? On that note, I sure enjoy playing my PC games on my 70" television. Guess that makes my PC a console. ;p Guess you're right we're console boys. Enjoy your "PC" cough. Next. (You have to be trolling hardcore, because anyone who truly is that closed minded...well shouldn't be using a PC).

 

[The_Golden_Man]

This is the PC gaming part of the forum. There is no room for people using console controllers for their PC in this part of the forum. They should instead head over to the console part of the forum to discuss their console controllers, along with the rest of the console boys.

Or have I missed anything here? :whiste:

 

[Ferzerp]

The point of a PC is not to have the console limitations.

crap graphics
crap processor
crap resolution
no mods
singular input method for all games
etc.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the input method itself. It just is ill suited for many game types. There are many game types that it is extremely well suited for.

This is one of them.

Your pro-pc stance is very, very ill reasoned if you feel that it means you must restrict yourself to a singular control type.

 

[The_Golden_Man]

Another thing, a real PC gamer do not connect their PC to a TV. A real PC gamer have a monitor, sitting right in front of it and restricts themselves to only Mouse and Keyboard.

I have a PC connected to my 46" LED TV. However, I do not game on it. And I almost feel stupid for having it connected to the TV anyway. Using a wireless keyboard and mouse is crap. And having to zoom to read text because I sit a few meters away is totally crap.

My primary PC is connected to a couple of monitors and I have it on a dedicated PC room. Of course, only using keyboard and mouse. And they are wired.

 

[Ferzerp]

fail troll is fail.

 

[ashenburger]

Another thing, a real PC gamer do not connect their PC to a TV. A real PC gamer have a monitor, sitting right in front of it and restricts themselves to only Mouse and Keyboard.

I have a PC connected to my 46" LED TV. However, I do not game on it. And I almost feel stupid for having it connected to the TV anyway. Using a wireless keyboard and mouse is crap. And having to zoom to read text because I sit a few meters away is totally crap.

My primary PC is connected to a couple of monitors and I have it on a dedicated PC room. Of course, only using keyboard and mouse. And they are wired.

How about using joysticks for flightsims? Are those guys also console boys?
Should they eschew the use of joysticks and instead rely on kb/mouse for flying their planes?

This is the same as with my X360 controller, for some games they are just plain better, though this is different for different people.

 

[The_Golden_Man]

How about using joysticks for flightsims? Are those guys also console boys?
Should they eschew the use of joysticks and instead rely on kb/mouse for flying their planes?

This is the same as with my X360 controller, for some games they are just plain better, though this is different for different people.

Joysticks are in another ballpark VS gamepads. Also, Joysticks go way back in the 90's with regards to PC's.

So in my world you can use joysticks on a PC and still be a PC-gamer.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Joysticks are in another ballpark VS gamepads. Also, Joysticks go way back in the 90's with regards to PC's.

So in my world you can use joysticks on a PC and still be a PC-gamer.

Your world must be lonely.

(PS: gamepads were used on PC's back in the 90's too. I recall using them for Descent because keyboard was too much of a pain). May not have been the best method, but ultimately all you are doing is trolling a thread that is obviously a console game ported to PC. The awesome thing about PC's is you have choices..something you don't get much of on consoles.

I think you're missing the point of this thread though. This game is VERY CLEARLY a direct console port. It's been well established there is no PColization of this game. Pro or Con, that's what it is. If you don't like it, don't buy it. That being said....given some time, it's very possible it could play better with kb/mouse if the community makes it so. I personally have never preferred keyboard/mouse for hacker/slasher type games (even if they are PC only).

 

[The_Golden_Man]

Your world must be lonely.

(PS: gamepads were used on PC's back in the 90's too. I recall using them for Descent because keyboard was too much of a pain). May not have been the best method, but ultimately all you are doing is trolling a thread that is obviously a console game ported to PC. The awesome thing about PC's is you have choices..something you don't get much of on consoles.

 

[Pia]

(PS: gamepads were used on PC's back in the 90's too. I recall using them for Descent because keyboard was too much of a pain). May not have been the best method,

I have just been trying to get into Descent, and I'm actually sure gamepad is the best cheap way to control it. Keyboard suuuuuuucks! I tried KB+joystick, but while it's possible to play with either that or KB+M, two analog axis just isn't enough to move smoothly and three-dimensionally.

 

[Qbah]

Don't go that way. Go back to the bonfire at Firelink Shrine. Face the direction of those skeletons/where the raven is on top of the ruins with the water, turn to the 4 o'clock position and go that way to the undead burg, that is where you should go as it really is the the place to go first. You'll go up a hill/stairs till you are on top of that giant bridge, just keep going from there.

Thanks a lot! I'll give that way a try.

 

[BenSkywalker]

All console FPSs I have seen are designed like PC FPSs, and would work better on KB+M, but one could surely design FPSs with mechanics where pad would be superior.

Metroid Prime is set up in such a way. Mouse/KB>>>>>>>>Controller for FPS IMO, by miles, but it can be set up better for controllers then how most are done.

 

[RussianSensation]

So the game only uses 152MB more RAM then the consoles have...... clearly a CPU limit! Seriously man, I am starting to think you have to be trolling. You are capable of reading and typing, you can't be as stupid as your posts make you sound, it isn't possible. To head you off, 1080p framebuffer is under 8MB

You can't possibly be so ignorant to continue to revise my statements when I never once made a statement that the game uses 152MB more RAM on consoles then their actual physical limit, and neither did I compare CPU/GPU RAM/VRAM usage between a console and a PC. That statement was made specifically in regard to the PC, running a Windows 7 OS at 1024x720 upscaled to 1280x720 directly from Steam version. Seriously, sometimes I think you are the who can't actually read English. You seem to read and then extrapolate meaning that's not even there, but I guess it suits your agenda. Continue to keep making up things I never explicitly stated. :whiste:

It really doesn't even matter to me. You believe the Cell in the PS3 >>>> Core i7 Nehalem CPU. I can't continue to have a reasonable discussion with a person that can't even understand the benefits of OoO CPU architectures, intergrated memory controller, latencies and nevermind how textures and resolutions are inter-related in porting a console game to the PC. Thus far, every single person in the PC community agrees that Dark Souls was a terrible port natively and that a resolution fix was necessary. Thus far, you are the only person that denied this from the beginning in this thread and when proven wrong, continue to make personal remarks and post technical drivel to suit your agenda.

 

[The_Golden_Man]

I just tried out Dark Souls in a friends computer. Luckily I have not bought it yet.

This is probably the worst port I've ever tried. I haven't tried the resolution fix yet, but the controls and everything is the most terrible I've ever seen. I couldn't even find how to exit the game. I actually had to use task manager to shut it down.

I know the resolution fix will make it look better, but to even release a game which looks as terrible as The Dark Souls for PC, and charge money for it is beyond me!

Seriously, don't buy this game for PC!

Oh, my f... GOD!

Advocating/bragging about piracy is a good way to get in trouble here. Please don't do that.
-ViRGE

Post edited to reflect I actually tried the game in a friends computer, who own the game legally.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I really know zero about this game other than how much everyone talks about it. I'm liking it so far, but I will say the hardest thing about this game is the camera. It makes it so much harder than it needs to be.

I had no idea about the summoning/invading part or what the ghosts I kept seeing really were..I thought they were hints lol. This should be interesting...

 

[AdamK47]

I just tried out Dark Souls. Luckily I have not bought it yet.

This is probably the worst port I've ever tried. I haven't tried the resolution fix yet, but the controls and everything is the most terrible I've ever seen. I couldn't even find how to exit the game. I actually had to use task manager to shut it down.

I know the resolution fix will make it look better, but to even release a game which looks as terrible as The Dark Souls for PC, and charge money for it is beyond me!

Seriously, don't buy this game for PC!

Oh, my f... GOD!

I didn't know there was a demo to try it out.

 

[KaOTiK]

I didn't know there was a demo to try it out.

There isn't

 

[Dankk]

I just tried out Dark Souls. Luckily I have not bought it yet.

This is probably the worst port I've ever tried. I haven't tried the resolution fix yet, but the controls and everything is the most terrible I've ever seen. I couldn't even find how to exit the game. I actually had to use task manager to shut it down.

I know the resolution fix will make it look better, but to even release a game which looks as terrible as The Dark Souls for PC, and charge money for it is beyond me!

Seriously, don't buy this game for PC!

Oh, my f... GOD!

You're not contributing anything useful to this thread, are you? It's a bit late to be complaining about issues that have already been pointed out a million times already. The game came out three days ago.

Most of us have moved past the control issues already by playing with a 360 controller. It's the superior input method for this game. Deal with it.

If you refuse to play a game because of your silly aversion to gamepads, then that's entirely your loss. I have never seen someone so incredibly narrow-minded that they can't understand how different controllers work better for different games. I have no empathy for you at all.

In many ways, the game is a bad port. Most of us agree on that. But the controls are inherently NOT designed for a KB+M, and this should've been pounded into everyone's heads a long time ago.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I have just been trying to get into Descent, and I'm actually sure gamepad is the best cheap way to control it. Keyboard suuuuuuucks! I tried KB+joystick, but while it's possible to play with either that or KB+M, two analog axis just isn't enough to move smoothly and three-dimensionally.

Descent also uses strafe controls. Slide left and right as well as up and down. I used to use a full HOTAS setup for it back in the day and use the multi directional hat on the stick for the slide controls.

You have forward throttle, neutral throttle (middle), reverse throttle. Strafe up, down, left, and right. Turn right and left, up and down. Switch primary weapon, switch secondary weapon as well as fire button for both. I don't think a controller would even work well for it. Can't say as I don't own the game any longer.


On Topic: Does this game still lock at 30fps? That's seriously a deal breaker for me right there. I never played it on Console but might have considered giving it a look on PC. Thing is...even with the graphics upgrades the 30fps lock is utterly stupid.

 

[Ferzerp]

On Topic: Does this game still lock at 30fps? That's seriously a deal breaker for me right there. I never played it on Console but might have considered giving it a look on PC. Thing is...even with the graphics upgrades the 30fps lock is utterly stupid.

Yes. I went ahead and picked it up because I really wanted to play it again without blight town slowdowns. It's not as bad as most things at 30 fps, but it's severely detracting from the game (still better than it was on console).

It looks passable with 3840x2160 internal rendering downscaled to 2560x1600 though. Not amazing, but not like trash like it does on a console. GPU is still mostly idle.

 

[KaOTiK]

On Topic: Does this game still lock at 30fps? That's seriously a deal breaker for me right there. I never played it on Console but might have considered giving it a look on PC. Thing is...even with the graphics upgrades the 30fps lock is utterly stupid.

It has been answered multiple times in this thread. Yes it is locked at 30fps, people have found how to unlock it but when you set the FPS for higher it makes the game play faster the higher the fps is. This game doesn't need more fps, the controls are snappy and there isn't any fast paced. A stable frame rate is much much better overall. Granted, it would be nice to have higher just for the sake of it, but it is not needed at all.