Daily Kos And Obama Site Using Forged Birth Certificate?

[Corbett]

Well I remember seeing that birth certificate online and thinking the letters looked awfully crisp for being a scanned document.

The question is, if its a fake birth certificate, why in the world would they go through all the trouble of making it if they could have just shown his real one?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Well I remember seeing that birth certificate online and thinking the letters looked awfully crisp for being a scanned document.

The question is, if its a fake birth certificate, why in the world would they go through all the trouble of making it if they could have just shown his real one?

More FUD from you?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Well I remember seeing that birth certificate online and thinking the letters looked awfully crisp for being a scanned document.

The question is, if its a fake birth certificate, why in the world would they go through all the trouble of making it if they could have just shown his real one?

They didn't.

 

[whylaff]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Where's the law that an underage American giving birth doesn't confer her citizenship?

"US Law very clearly states: ?. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one?s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.? Barack Obama?s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama?s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama?s birth, but-after-age-16.

In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama?s birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama?s birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.

Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law."

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli


You lose.

That's interesting Mill but I don't lose anything because this forgery story isn't primarily about citizenship. A reason Obama was aksed for a birth certificate was because people didn't even know if Obama was even born in Hawaii if they dont have a certificate (its not like he came from the most stable people) . Keep in mind McCain was certified by congress after lots of media (including NT Times) wondered about McCain's status.

However the laws at the time apply to Obama's citizenship (they changed in 1986 or so)and his presidential campaign don't matter to me and in truth I am just learning these. He has a passport so I would assume he has some sort of documents. The greater facts are libs are manufacturing fake documents in a Presidential election - again.

The LA Times linked to the same documents with this update " In reaction to some of the comments left below challenging the veracity of the document, Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, sent the following reaction to The Ticket: "I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...08/06/obama-birth.html

So major media outlets and Obama's "stop the fud" website is showing fake documents. Even if Obama was born in Washington DC he still made this mess by refusing to issue basic documents (for whatever reason) and now he's got fake stuff on his site.

Obama loses

No comment on the birth certificate issue, but I am tired of seeing this law quoted and used incorrectly. This law being quoted applies to children born outside of the United States, prior to November 14th, 1986. Hawaii became a state on August 21, 1959. Barak Obama?s birth falls under jus soli.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

This "issue" :roll: is no different than those trying to suggest McCain didn't qualify due to where he was born as well. I have no doubt that this has all been looked into by plenty of people who are in the know. Neither would have gotten this far without being able to Constitutionally take the job.

 

[DealMonkey]

Butterbean? Isn't there some homophobic angle to this story that you can post? Frankly, that would make it more interesting, factual and more in line with your usual posts. TIA.

 

[dahunan]

Eye for an eye even if a lie is what CAD and others want our political system to be?

 

[fskimospy]

THE HOMOFASCISTS ARE FORGING BIRTH CERTIFICATES NOW.

I really hope Butterbean doesn't get banned, it's hard to make up comedy like this.

 

[Harvey]

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist...

"Self-described," as in no credibility, published on "Israel Insider," a "self-described" information source.

Credibility of the McKinnon, the site, and you = -100. :thumbsdown:

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist...

"Self-described," as in no credibility, published on "Israel Insider," a "self-described" information source.

Credibility of the McKinnon, the site, and you = -100. :thumbsdown:

Maybe in time they can someday have the credibility of the esteemed and highly regarded.... Harvey.

:laugh:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist...

"Self-described," as in no credibility, published on "Israel Insider," a "self-described" information source.

Credibility of the McKinnon, the site, and you = -100. :thumbsdown:

Maybe in time they can someday have the credibility of the esteemed and highly regarded.... Harvey.

:laugh:

Or the moral superiority you seem to think you possess.

 

[dahunan]

Jeff Gannon was also a self described journalist

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Eye for an eye even if a lie is what CAD and others want our political system to be?

Eh? Did you even read my post?

 

[BeauJangles]

:thumbsup: butterbean, I think I'm going to nominate you for a Hearst Journalism award for your clear understanding of the subject matter and unbiased, factual approach to the issues at hand.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist...

"Self-described," as in no credibility, published on "Israel Insider," a "self-described" information source.

Credibility of the McKinnon, the site, and you = -100. :thumbsdown:

Maybe in time they can someday have the credibility of the esteemed and highly regarded.... Harvey.

:laugh:

I'll take my credibility over that of some "self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist," or some ranting, paranoid pro-Isreal site or YOU, any time, any day. :laugh:

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dahunan
Eye for an eye even if a lie is what CAD and others want our political system to be?

Eh? Did you even read my post?

Your post looks to me as though it excuses the actions of these "self described" experts because McCain also had people question his place of birth

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist...

"Self-described," as in no credibility, published on "Israel Insider," a "self-described" information source.

Credibility of the McKinnon, the site, and you = -100. :thumbsdown:

Maybe in time they can someday have the credibility of the esteemed and highly regarded.... Harvey.

:laugh:

Or the moral superiority you seem to think you possess.

Wow...new material from good 'ol Red Dawn. Amazing.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist...

"Self-described," as in no credibility, published on "Israel Insider," a "self-described" information source.

Credibility of the McKinnon, the site, and you = -100. :thumbsdown:

Maybe in time they can someday have the credibility of the esteemed and highly regarded.... Harvey.

:laugh:

I'll take my credibility over that of some "self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist," or some ranting, paranoid pro-Isreal site or YOU, any time, any day. :laugh:

OH SNAP! Thats some funny shit Harvey!

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: rockyct
If that document is faked, then rabbit hole goes quite deep:
( http://politifact.com/truth-o-...h-certificate-part-ii/ )

"When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

'It?s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,' spokesman Janice Okubo told us."

...

"When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it?s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate?s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?

Because if this document is forged, then they all are.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State?s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies."

...

"The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama?s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

'I guess the big issue that?s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,' Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. 'Because they scanned the front ? you wouldn?t see those things.'

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received. "


The document on the site is real. Government officials say it's real. Obama was born in Hawaii. Find something else to start another conspiracy thread.

/end thread

Nobody is saying the template used for the forgery wasn't real. The fact is a Daily Kos poster has a blank Hawaii birth ceritficate with the same random blemishes and markings as the certificate filled out with Obama's name.

Issuing a scanned or photocopied image is not reliable and Hawaii doesnt do it - the same Janice Okubo:

"Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document...

Janice Okubo, in response to an Israeli Insider question on Tuesday, would not confirm nor deny whether she had told a St. Petersburg Times reporter whether she had said thebirth certificate was "real", citing the statutory stipulation that "Hawaii state law (HRS §338-18) prevents disclosure of information contained in vital statistics records except to those people who have a direct and tangible interest in the record as defined by statute." This would, however, seem to negate the propriety of any disclosure by her of confidential information. "


http://web.israelinsider.com/A...les/Politics/12939.htm


This is like people kept asking for McCain's birth certificate and all of a sudden a scanned image showed up on "Little Green Footballs" blog and McCain's campaign uses the same image - and then a blank with the same small stain as the final version turns up in a photobucket acccount of a Little Green Footballs poster who claims to be a document expert. What a joke. It may also be wishful thining on Okubo's part that a stamp isn't visible because perhaps it's on the back. Scanner's pick up such surface distortions more and not less.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Nice post, Rocky. That does indeed appear to lay this issue to rest.

Butterbean, since you're so confident "Obama loses," want to lay a wager on the general election? My $100 says he wins.

People would still vote for Obama even though he is a liar. I better save my money "just in case" because Obama wants to mug me.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

I better save my money "just in case" because Obama wants to mug me.

Would you care to explain what you mean by that statement that would make it anything other than a racist piece of dogshit? :shocked:

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dahunan
Eye for an eye even if a lie is what CAD and others want our political system to be?

Eh? Did you even read my post?

Your post looks to me as though it excuses the actions of these "self described" experts because McCain also had people question his place of birth

Looks to me like he was pointing out the stupidity of trying to make place of birth an issue with either canidate, and I don't see how it could be mistaken as anything but.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Nice post, Rocky. That does indeed appear to lay this issue to rest.

Butterbean, since you're so confident "Obama loses," want to lay a wager on the general election? My $100 says he wins.

People would still vote for Obama even though he is a liar. I better save my money "just in case" because Obama wants to mug me.

Seek
Professional
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[smack Down]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
This "issue" :roll: is no different than those trying to suggest McCain didn't qualify due to where he was born as well. I have no doubt that this has all been looked into by plenty of people who are in the know. Neither would have gotten this far without being able to Constitutionally take the job.

Well there is some sound logic. Hope you never end up on a jury? With your he wouldn't have gotten this far unless he was guilty attitude.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Well I remember seeing that birth certificate online and thinking the letters looked awfully crisp for being a scanned document.

The question is, if its a fake birth certificate, why in the world would they go through all the trouble of making it if they could have just shown his real one?

Indeed, the idea a stamp wouldn't show on a scan of a birth certificate because "it might be on the back" is hard to believe. I've struggle with scanners enough to know hard it is to hide any imperfections even if I want to.

Also - remember all the hullabaloo when Obama's passport records were snooped and he demanded an investigation and then it turned out Obama's own people were doing snooping

"Passports probe focuses on worker"

"The State Department investigation of improper computer access to passport records of three presidential candidates is focusing on one remaining employee ? a contract worker with a company headed by an adviser to the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama..

Two of the three contract employees had been fired before The Washington Times first reported Thursday on security breaches involving Mr.Obama's passport records. The furor expanded yesterday to incidents involving the passport records of Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton.

The third employee, who has not been fired, worked for The Analysis Corporation (TAC), which is headed by John O. Brennan, a former CIA agent who is an adviser to Mr.Obama's presidential campaign on intelligence and foreign policy.

The TAC employee is the only individual to have accessed both Mr. Obama's and Mr. McCain's passport information without proper authorization, a State Department spokesman said. That employee, who was not named, triggered an electronic alarm system, officials familiar with the probe said. "

http://www.washingtontimes.com...obe-focuses-on-worker/