Dad kills neighbor accused of molesting girl

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Poor people can't post 1 million dollars bail.

Sure they can. The bail bondsman only requires 10% ($100k), and he'll take that in the form of a lien against anyone's property who is willing to sign for it (read: parents/relatives/etc).

Generally true, but be aware that laws vary widely from state to state.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Justice > Law.

Always.

That being said, without concrete proof that the neighbor did it, the man's actions were unacceptable.

Maybe if you're making a Hollywood movie.

In the real world, justice is relative, law is absolute. One man never has the right to step outside of the laws of a society he chooses to live in to fulfill his own personal views of justice.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Charles Bronson would be proud!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Nebor

I know all there is to know about law schools and being an attorney, obviously.

This happened nearly 10 years ago, when schools gave scholarships to people who earned them, rather than just people who were poor. I'm aware that merit-based scholarships at most lawschools are virtually non-existant today.

Funny, I was a first-year law student myself ten years ago. You're talking a load of crap (but then again I guess I should consider the source).

 

[filetitan]

i am pretty sure 2 year olds don't know how to lie

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Justice > Law.

Always.

That being said, without concrete proof that the neighbor did it, the man's actions were unacceptable.

Maybe if you're making a Hollywood movie.

In the real world, justice is relative, law is absolute. One man never has the right to step outside of the laws of a society he chooses to live in to fulfill his own personal views of justice.

Law only exists as the pale, scattered reflection of justice. If laws are not absolutely based upon justice then there's no reason to have them. Society cannot exist with unjust laws. Unjust laws lead to exploitation and abuse, which leads to disobedience and eventual revolution. There are many societies which existed with justice but without written laws. This describes justice as being greater than law itself.

EVERY person has the right to do as they see fit...they just have to be willing to accept the consequences for their actions. In an ideal world this wouldn't be so, because each person would respect the law which accurately represented justice. That has never happened however, so it remains more important to serve justice than law.

We MUST have justice to survive...law is an ideal we often cannot afford.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Nebor

I know all there is to know about law schools and being an attorney, obviously.

This happened nearly 10 years ago, when schools gave scholarships to people who earned them, rather than just people who were poor. I'm aware that merit-based scholarships at most lawschools are virtually non-existant today.

Funny, I was a first-year law student myself ten years ago. You're talking a load of crap (but then again I guess I should consider the source).

Really? Any top 5 schools still have merit based scholarships?

Of course I don't know a lot about law, I'm not a lawyer. I was just relaying the experience of a friend. Oh, and he had plenty of cash by the time he was 29, and a young lawyer, so you were wrong on that one.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: filetitan
i am pretty sure 2 year olds don't know how to lie

Do we know what the 2 year old said, if she said anything ?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: LanceM
If the father really wanted to help his daughter, he would have ensured that she grew up without psychological issues. Instead, he's making sure that she's scarred for life. Congratulations.

you would be cool as a cucumber on the phone when your wife his telling you how the neighbor just violated your little girl. right. :roll: you are just keyboard jockeying right now.

Someone tells you your 2 year old daughter has been molested.

at what point would it occur to you to call a doctor or ems to see if she needs medical care ?

I assume sometime after the disemboweling ?

please stay on topic we are talking about this scenario in this article in which case the wife had been the first one to discover the incident and multiple hours had past and the conversation probably included. she is ok.

I am trying to stay on topic, but you keep introducing all kinds of "facts" that we don't know.

One actual fact we know, if the article is accurate, is nobody reported the molestation to the police.

and I assume if an EMS had been notified the EMS would have notified the police.

Or if a doctor had been notified then the doctor would have notified police.

So the question is, would any parent who even had an inkling that their daughter was molested, not seek medical care for their child ?

Doesn't that strike you as odd ?

there are varying degrees of what can be considered molestation many of which would not cause necessarily any physical trauma. so no its not that odd. for instance making a child touch an adult in an inappropriatemanner isn't going to be something an emergency room can do anything about.

Are you serious ? We are talking about a 2 year old here.

I can't imagine any real parent acting the way you describe, if there was even a possibility of molestation.

Another fact we know from the stories. The Mother was not deaf or mute, and was capable of using a telephone to report the earlier incident of Mr James being undressed in his own house.

We also know she knows how to call the police, and wasn't reluctant to do so in that earlier case.

So what reason is there for her not to call them this time, about a much more serious issue ?

you questions cannot be answered from the article we were given. we can only speculate.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: filetitan
i am pretty sure 2 year olds don't know how to lie

Do we know what the 2 year old said, if she said anything ?

we have very few details at this time. But from what occured something extreme must have happened for a relatively intellingent american lving in white suburbia with no history of physchotic disorders or criminal activity to crawl into his neighbors window and butcher him in his sleep in an apparent crime of passion. Until further details, are revealed I'm sticking behind the guy

 

[filetitan]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: filetitan
i am pretty sure 2 year olds don't know how to lie

Do we know what the 2 year old said, if she said anything ?

we have very few details at this time. But from what occured something extreme must have happened for a relatively intellingent american lving in white suburbia with no history of physchotic disorders or criminal activity to crawl into his neighbors window and butcher him in his sleep in an apparent crime of passion. Until further details, are revealed I'm sticking behind the guy

you have my vote!

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
two wrongs don't make a right. did he ever think about how growing up with an incarcerated father is going to affect his child?

I only see one wrong here.
Molesting a child.

Wheres the other?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade
two wrongs don't make a right. did he ever think about how growing up with an incarcerated father is going to affect his child?

I only see one wrong here.
Molesting a child.

Wheres the other?

he murdered the alleged molestor.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
This guy is fvcked, even if the neighbor did what the kid accused. In real life juries aren't filled with emotional hicks a la "A Time to Kill" and there will be at least one individual with a sense of realism about how a society must operate.

You mean that sense of realism that says criminals are really victims of society, and should be given a slap on the wrist and returned to the streets?

Maybe real life needs a few less kumbaya singing hippes and a few more people ready to actual punish criminals, then we'd have a few less instances of having to carry out vigilante justice.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Playmaker
This guy is fvcked, even if the neighbor did what the kid accused. In real life juries aren't filled with emotional hicks a la "A Time to Kill" and there will be at least one individual with a sense of realism about how a society must operate.

You mean that sense of realism that says criminals are really victims of society, and should be given a slap on the wrist and returned to the streets?

Maybe real life needs a few less kumbaya singing hippes and a few more people ready to actual punish criminals, then we'd have a few less instances of having to carry out vigilante justice.

dude, argue all you want about the molestor being the scum of the earth and deserving death i will still say two wrongs don't make a right.

i've asked this a couple of times already, but how is his child going to benefit from her father being in prison for the rest of his life? he won't be there to protect her from anything let alone other molestors.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Playmaker
This guy is fvcked, even if the neighbor did what the kid accused. In real life juries aren't filled with emotional hicks a la "A Time to Kill" and there will be at least one individual with a sense of realism about how a society must operate.

You mean that sense of realism that says criminals are really victims of society, and should be given a slap on the wrist and returned to the streets?

Maybe real life needs a few less kumbaya singing hippes and a few more people ready to actual punish criminals, then we'd have a few less instances of having to carry out vigilante justice.

dude, argue all you want about the molestor being the scum of the earth and deserving death i will still say two wrongs don't make a right.

i've asked this a couple of times already, but how is his child going to benefit from him being in prison for the rest of his life? he won't be there to protect her from anything let alone other molestors.

Simple. He shouldnt BE in prison. The asusmption he should be shows whats really wrong with this country as far as I can see. Its the fact that you can go molest or rape a child and get a few months, maybe a few years in prison but if you kill the SOB who did that you should serve life??

WTF kind of logic is this? i want to know because it seems most of the pussified libtard hippies in this country buy right into it.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Playmaker
This guy is fvcked, even if the neighbor did what the kid accused. In real life juries aren't filled with emotional hicks a la "A Time to Kill" and there will be at least one individual with a sense of realism about how a society must operate.

You mean that sense of realism that says criminals are really victims of society, and should be given a slap on the wrist and returned to the streets?

Maybe real life needs a few less kumbaya singing hippes and a few more people ready to actual punish criminals, then we'd have a few less instances of having to carry out vigilante justice.

dude, argue all you want about the molestor being the scum of the earth and deserving death i will still say two wrongs don't make a right.

i've asked this a couple of times already, but how is his child going to benefit from him being in prison for the rest of his life? he won't be there to protect her from anything let alone other molestors.

Simple. He shouldnt BE in prison. The asusmption he should be shows whats really wrong with this country as far as I can see. Its the fact that you can go molest or rape a child and get a few months, maybe a few years in prison but if you kill the SOB who did that you should serve life??

WTF kind of logic is this? i want to know because it seems most of the pussified libtard hippies in this country buy right into it.

looks like you were there and know for sure that this guy is guilty of doing God knows what to that 2 yr old.
guilty until proven innocent?

i am not on the side of child molestors, and i do agree with your point that they get off far too easy, but taking the law into your own hands is not going to help your matters. this guy did the wrong thing in a fit of rage.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Playmaker
This guy is fvcked, even if the neighbor did what the kid accused. In real life juries aren't filled with emotional hicks a la "A Time to Kill" and there will be at least one individual with a sense of realism about how a society must operate.

You mean that sense of realism that says criminals are really victims of society, and should be given a slap on the wrist and returned to the streets?

Maybe real life needs a few less kumbaya singing hippes and a few more people ready to actual punish criminals, then we'd have a few less instances of having to carry out vigilante justice.

dude, argue all you want about the molestor being the scum of the earth and deserving death i will still say two wrongs don't make a right.

i've asked this a couple of times already, but how is his child going to benefit from him being in prison for the rest of his life? he won't be there to protect her from anything let alone other molestors.

Simple. He shouldnt BE in prison. The asusmption he should be shows whats really wrong with this country as far as I can see. Its the fact that you can go molest or rape a child and get a few months, maybe a few years in prison but if you kill the SOB who did that you should serve life??

WTF kind of logic is this? i want to know because it seems most of the pussified libtard hippies in this country buy right into it.

Agreed.

If people don't like it when others take care of things themselves then they should get together and write just laws so that they don't NEED to do the vigilante thing. Quit responding to the symptoms and start addressing the real issues - fix the legal system.

 

[Vic]

The Rule of Law exists for a reason. If vigilante justice were allowed, and people were allowed to murder each other over the slightest allegation, there would be no confidence in society. Thus, we have courts of law, and the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, etc. This gives people a measure of confidence in their society. That society protects them from false accusations as well as it protects them from those who have done them harm.
Vigilante justice is a serious attack against the fabric of society. No one knows this better than the courts themselves. This patent lawyer is going down.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Playmaker
This guy is fvcked, even if the neighbor did what the kid accused. In real life juries aren't filled with emotional hicks a la "A Time to Kill" and there will be at least one individual with a sense of realism about how a society must operate.

You mean that sense of realism that says criminals are really victims of society, and should be given a slap on the wrist and returned to the streets?

Maybe real life needs a few less kumbaya singing hippes and a few more people ready to actual punish criminals, then we'd have a few less instances of having to carry out vigilante justice.

dude, argue all you want about the molestor being the scum of the earth and deserving death i will still say two wrongs don't make a right.

i've asked this a couple of times already, but how is his child going to benefit from him being in prison for the rest of his life? he won't be there to protect her from anything let alone other molestors.

Simple. He shouldnt BE in prison. The asusmption he should be shows whats really wrong with this country as far as I can see. Its the fact that you can go molest or rape a child and get a few months, maybe a few years in prison but if you kill the SOB who did that you should serve life??

WTF kind of logic is this? i want to know because it seems most of the pussified libtard hippies in this country buy right into it.

looks like you were there and know for sure that this guy is guilty of doing God knows what to that 2 yr old.
guilty until proven innocent?

i am not on the side of child molestors, and i do agree with your point that they get off far too easy, but taking the law into your own hands is not going to help your matters. this guy did the wrong thing in a fit of rage.

Yup, if everyone just killed someone out of anger (road rage, rape, they stole your lunch money, etc) then our prison system would be filled even more than it is. Real men don't kill unless they have to, this lawyer was a mentally unstable killer who will spend the rest of his life in prison and I'm glad he's out of society.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade
two wrongs don't make a right. did he ever think about how growing up with an incarcerated father is going to affect his child?

I only see one wrong here.
Molesting a child.

Wheres the other?

What evidence is there that a child was molested ?


Apparently, IceBergSlim thinks the hacked up dead man's body is sufficient evidence, is that sufficient for you too ?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Vic
The Rule of Law exists for a reason. If vigilante justice were allowed, and people were allowed to murder each other over the slightest allegation, there would be no confidence in society. Thus, we have courts of law, and the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, etc. This gives people a measure of confidence in their society. That society protects them from false accusations as well as it protects them from those who have done them harm.
Vigilante justice is a serious attack against the fabric of society. No one knows this better than the courts themselves. This patent lawyer is going down.

I agree that that's the idea, and ideal. But the reality is something different entirely. It's the condition of our law that drives people TO vigilante actions. Of course, it also has deep economic roots, but that's a whole different part of the argument.

When people no longer have a realistic expectation of seeing justice done by the law, their only reasonable course is to see that it's done themselves. Obviously they should also be working to fix the legal system, but in the meantime justice MUST be done, by any means (and any agents) necessary.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Thios guy needs to be put away. For the rest of his life. You do not take the law into your own hands. A laywer especially should know that. Pity his daughter will grow up without a daddy.

Even though the law often times fails?
Child molestors generally get off pretty easy, and how many times do we here of repeat offenses? The law is failing.

Way i see it, one less child molestor our tax dollars have to support in prison for a few years, only to have him get out and do it again.

HOW IN THE FU*CK DO YOU KNOW HE EVEN DID IT???? Damn dude i sure hope some little kid doenst say to their psycho dad "daddy SPecop touched me" and pshycho dad comes after you with a butcher knife.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Vic
The Rule of Law exists for a reason. If vigilante justice were allowed, and people were allowed to murder each other over the slightest allegation, there would be no confidence in society. Thus, we have courts of law, and the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, etc. This gives people a measure of confidence in their society. That society protects them from false accusations as well as it protects them from those who have done them harm.
Vigilante justice is a serious attack against the fabric of society. No one knows this better than the courts themselves. This patent lawyer is going down.

I agree that that's the idea, and ideal. But the reality is something different entirely. It's the condition of our law that drives people TO vigilante actions. Of course, it also has deep economic roots, but that's a whole different part of the argument.

When people no longer have a realistic expectation of seeing justice done by the law, their only reasonable course is to see that it's done themselves. Obviously they should also be working to fix the legal system, but in the meantime justice MUST be done, by any means (and any agents) necessary.

How can there be any justice, if everyone gets to define justice in their own way ?

You can't have vigilantes, and justice. The two things are mutually exclusive.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Vic
The Rule of Law exists for a reason. If vigilante justice were allowed, and people were allowed to murder each other over the slightest allegation, there would be no confidence in society. Thus, we have courts of law, and the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, etc. This gives people a measure of confidence in their society. That society protects them from false accusations as well as it protects them from those who have done them harm.
Vigilante justice is a serious attack against the fabric of society. No one knows this better than the courts themselves. This patent lawyer is going down.

BS!
Try driving around with over $10k in cash...OOPS! Sorry, you cant have that much cash, we think you sell drugs...Confiscated. Unless your a cop or politician, then we'll look the other way.
Try having your daughter raped...Oops! The perp is a victim, he cant help it. 2 years jail. But kill the SOB? Or your evil! Away with you for life!
Try owning a machinegun....OOPS! Thats an ATF violation. No, we dont care that you didnt know, bye bye. Away to the pen, 10 years. If your a cop? Charges dropped.
Drive around without a license....OOPS! Jail time and probation, you dont have a drivers license. Drive around as an illegal immigrants with no license or insurance, well, hey thats ok. See ya around.

I have NO faith in our legal system, and I have NO confidence in our society. I applaud what this lawyer did, and wish it would happen a whole hell of a lot more.
Guess what? If vigilante justice was allowed (Which to an extent it is, thats what self defense laws are) maybe there would be a whole hell of a lot less crime.
I rape your daughter, I know I'll get a few years in jail. I'm a deadbeat, oh what the hell.
I rape your daughter I know you'll come and shoot me dead, maybe I'll rethink that.

Our legal system has failed us long ago, only fools and idealistic people still hang on to its bloated corpse.