Cycling advocate dies after collision with ____

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Bike+pedestrian accident=scrapes and bruises, rarely death.
Bike+vehicle accident=broken bones and other severe injuries, death isn't uncommon.

No matter how you want to quantify the injuries it's night and day difference between the two.

Based on that alone tell me what's more reasonable: adjust roadways or sidewalks for bikes?

Adjust road ways. Sidewalks for bikes is a nonstarter.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Bike+pedestrian accident=scrapes and bruises, rarely death.
Bike+vehicle accident=broken bones and other severe injuries, death isn't uncommon.

No matter how you want to quantify the injuries it's night and day difference between the two.

Based on that alone tell me what's more reasonable: adjust roadways or sidewalks for bikes?

Adjust road ways. Sidewalks for bikes is a nonstarter.

The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?

Bikes are slower, harder to see, and are a general nuisance to the regular flow of auto traffic.

 

[mrblotto]

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: Babbles
Sucks that a person needlessly died, but from what I read it sound like he just pulled right into oncoming traffic. Almost an ironic death I suppose.

As far as we know, the other car had a stop light, flashing yellow/red, or yield sign or something. Other witnesses didn't stop. Also, if a so-called "smart light" doesn't see a bike, most jurisdictions allow you to treat it as defective (four-way stop, then go when safe to procede). Depending on the conditions, it may have been impossible to know when it was truly safe if the speed limit and visibility didn't help.

There is no light at that intersection. It's just a regular 'run of the mill' turn off of a main road. I wouldn't be surprised if the vehicle was speeding. The limit there is 35, but practically no one adheres to it.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Bike+pedestrian accident=scrapes and bruises, rarely death.
Bike+vehicle accident=broken bones and other severe injuries, death isn't uncommon.

No matter how you want to quantify the injuries it's night and day difference between the two.

Based on that alone tell me what's more reasonable: adjust roadways or sidewalks for bikes?

Adjust road ways. Sidewalks for bikes is a nonstarter.

The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?

Bikes are slower, harder to see, and are a general nuisance to the regular flow of auto traffic.

Moving the bikes to the sidewalk is an even worse idea. That segregation will just increase the accident rate as it moves the cyclists completely out of the 'normal' drivers tunnel of vision. The average driver is not situationally aware enough to notice traffic not in their path (then hand them a cell phone and if it is not on their hood...).

When I was doing the road thing, I have had big encounters with folks that turned right after having to actually change their path to pass me. I distinctly remember a lady in Goldenrod, FL completely surprised that I was there. She just had to move 3 ft to her left to get by me to make the turn. Fortunately, she had her windows down and could hear me yell at her. The guy who did that to my sister and hit her found out that leaving the scene is not a good idea. Her riding companion went on to be on the Bianchi team in Italy. He chased the driver down and sat on his hood until the police arrived. She was not injuried, but needed to repair the bike.

No matter where, it is ALWAYS the responsibility of an overtaking driver to safely pass. This applies to tractors and buggies too. If you don't like bikes, move to Lancaster Co., PA and you will soon wish you had a fast moving bike in front of you instead.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Bike+pedestrian accident=scrapes and bruises, rarely death.
Bike+vehicle accident=broken bones and other severe injuries, death isn't uncommon.

No matter how you want to quantify the injuries it's night and day difference between the two.

Based on that alone tell me what's more reasonable: adjust roadways or sidewalks for bikes?

Adjust road ways. Sidewalks for bikes is a nonstarter.

The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?

Bikes are slower, harder to see, and are a general nuisance to the regular flow of auto traffic.

Needs of the many are that everyone pay attention and drive carefully. Driving like a maniac at expense of others' safety is a "need" of a few.
Secondly, the closer I am to side walk, the less likely the driver is to see me when he pulls in and out of the driveway, which is why near any driveways, I usually take up full traffic lane. The one bike accident I had was riding on sidewalk as a kid where front of my bike was ran over by someone pulling out of a blind alley.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Not surprised. Drivers in RTP / Raleigh are absolutely terrible. No one signals, everyone seems to drive aggressively. Four way stops? Forget about it. Turning circle? Might as well be a calc 3 exam. Always see people on cell phones, too.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous
lanesplitting is annoying, sure, but i don't think there is anything inherently wrong with it. (I hate motorcyclists, honestly, and have very little sympathy when they end up killing themselves).

You do realize that most motorcycle fatalities occur because the person in the car/truck/whatever wasn't paying attention, right? You have no sympathy for someone who dies becaus someone else wasn't paying attention and killed them?

Classy :roll:

Actually based on a study released by the NHTSA using Data from the year 2006 30% of Motorcycle accidents dont even involve another vehicle 5% of that 30 are caused by vehicle failure or roadway defects the rest are operator error. Of the 70% that do involve another vehicle 2/3rds are the fault of the other vehicle which means that 33% of multivehicle collisions are the fault of the Motorcycle operator. Combine the single vehicle and the multivehicle accident data ad you actually come up with about 46-47 accidents out of 100 involving a motorcycle actually being he fault of the automobile operator. That leaves 53% on the motorcycle side. knock off 5% for vehicle failure and roadway defects you are still left with 48% of accidents involving a motorcycle being the fault of the motorcycle operator. That hardly equals most and infact Motorcycles have a very slight edge. Fact is motorcyclists cause about half the accidents they are involved.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous
lanesplitting is annoying, sure, but i don't think there is anything inherently wrong with it. (I hate motorcyclists, honestly, and have very little sympathy when they end up killing themselves).

You do realize that most motorcycle fatalities occur because the person in the car/truck/whatever wasn't paying attention, right? You have no sympathy for someone who dies becaus someone else wasn't paying attention and killed them?

Classy :roll:

Actually based on a study released by the NHTSA using Data from the year 2006 30% of Motorcycle accidents dont even involve another vehicle 5% of that 30 are caused by vehicle failure or roadway defects the rest are operator error. Of the 70% that do involve another vehicle 2/3rds are the fault of the other vehicle which means that 33% of multivehicle collisions are the fault of the Motorcycle operator. Combine the single vehicle and the multivehicle accident data ad you actually come up with about 46-47 accidents out of 100 involving a motorcycle actually being he fault of the automobile operator. That leaves 53% on the motorcycle side. knock off 5% for vehicle failure and roadway defects you are still left with 48% of accidents involving a motorcycle being the fault of the motorcycle operator. That hardly equals most and infact Motorcycles have a very slight edge. Fact is motorcyclists cause about half the accidents they are involved.

5% of 30% is not 5% of the original 100%. Math, anyone?

Of the 70% that do involve another vehicle 2/3rds are the fault of the other vehicle

That says right there that "most" accidents involving motorcycles are caused by the automobile driver. Thanks for backing up my claim.

Besides, I was talking about fatalities, not stupid accidents where the motorcyclist lops off a side view mirror when he tries parking too close to a pole or something.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Bike+pedestrian accident=scrapes and bruises, rarely death.
Bike+vehicle accident=broken bones and other severe injuries, death isn't uncommon.

No matter how you want to quantify the injuries it's night and day difference between the two.

Based on that alone tell me what's more reasonable: adjust roadways or sidewalks for bikes?

Meh.

I could take out probably three 12 year olds, eight 8-9 year olds and probably a few infants/toddlers on a given day if I plowed through the sidewalk.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Bike+pedestrian accident=scrapes and bruises, rarely death.
Bike+vehicle accident=broken bones and other severe injuries, death isn't uncommon.

No matter how you want to quantify the injuries it's night and day difference between the two.

Based on that alone tell me what's more reasonable: adjust roadways or sidewalks for bikes?

Meh.

I could take out probably three 12 year olds, eight 8-9 year olds and probably a few infants/toddlers on a given day if I plowed through the sidewalk.

Good point! ... Oh wait, no. Shut your face.

 

[dr150]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
His own fault. It sucks he died, but he is just as retarded as the guy who tried to outrun that train. I'll have to side with the car driver on this one.

This

 

[PimpJuice]

haha Safeway is such a douche

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Safeway
The only person 'ownd' was Chaotic42.

If he read the post I was replying to, he would have read "in California." The mentally retarded individual said that he should, apparently justifiably, turn into and kill a lane splitting motorcyclist. Hence, my reply was directed to lane splitters in California.

How am I 'ownd' for posting a link clarifying the legality of lane splitting?

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Police Capt. Ann Stephens said a preliminary investigation shows the vehicle was traveling south on Salem Street and the bicycle was going north on Salem Street. The cyclist turned left toward the Apex Peakway and crossed into the path of the vehicle.

Stephens said the vehicle involved in the wreck stopped at the scene.

"The guy (driving the vehicle) didn't even have a chance to react. It was like instantaneous. He just went 'boom' and hit the car," witness Peter Schenck said.

Making a left turn in traffic on bicycle is inherently dangerous, and this time he didn't do what he needed to do to be safe. I've made dumb left turns too -- it's easy to make a mistake in some such cases with traffic from multiple directions potentially, etc., and for that reason taking two pedestrian crossings is often the better thing to do.

Too bad there aren't more eye witness accounts about this. Unless I missed it, the article doesn't mention what time of day this was. Was the sun going down, and did the vehicle have its lights on? Did the biker signal with his arm, but he was in the driver's blind spot? How fast was the car going? etc.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Safeway
The only person 'ownd' was Chaotic42.

If he read the post I was replying to, he would have read "in California." The mentally retarded individual said that he should, apparently justifiably, turn into and kill a lane splitting motorcyclist. Hence, my reply was directed to lane splitters in California.

How am I 'ownd' for posting a link clarifying the legality of lane splitting?

I guess the person claiming I got ownd by your link was really the person ownd. The tool didn't realize my post was in reference to the California post. Regardless, if someone is illegally lane-splitting, purposefully turning into them is still a bastard move that should and would land you in prison.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Safeway
I guess the person claiming I got ownd by your link was really the person ownd. The tool didn't realize my post was in reference to the California post. Regardless, if someone is illegally lane-splitting, purposefully turning into them is still a bastard move that should and would land you in prison.

No argument from me. Attempting to harm an innocent person is inexcusable.

 

[NFS4]

Driver who hit Cary cyclist will not be charged

Police released the results of a probe Tuesday into the fatal crash involving an avid cycling advocate.

Bruce W. Rosar, 52, of Cary, died after a collision with a vehicle on South Salem Street, near the Apex Peakway, shortly after noon Saturday, police said.

Apex Police Capt. Ann Stephens said Tuesday an investigation showed Rosar had made a left turn from South Salem Street onto Apex Peakway and crossed into the path of a vehicle.

Markcus Lamont McGee was driving the Honda that hit Rosar.

Stephens said, according to witnesses she talked with, neither McGee nor Rosar saw one another until the moment of impact.

Rosar was part of a ride with other cyclists but had pulled away from the larger group when the collision happened.

McGee will not be charged, Stephens said, as Rosar failed to yield the right of way.

Rosar, owner of Triangle Roadway Bicycling, had been bicycling in the Triangle for more than two decades, according to his Web site. He served as the director of the North Carolina Active Transportation Alliance and was a founding member of the N.C. Coalition for Bicycle Driving.

In recent weeks, the Apex police department has recorded an increased number in cyclists in the area. Police have also seen more complaints from motorists that cyclists are not following the rules of the road, Stephens said over the weekend.

In the past month, Stephens said, police have started a campaign to make cyclists aware of the dangers on the road and remind them that they are required by law to follow the same rules of the road as motorists.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5573246/

Cyclist's fault -- failed to yield.

 

[NFS4]

Another story:

Cyclist's error blamed in crash
Apex police say driver was following law when bike pulled in front of him
BY GABE STAROSTA, Staff Writer
APEX - Cyclist Bruce Rosar apparently overlooked a car coming toward him and turned into its path, causing the accident that took his life, Apex police said Tuesday.

Rosar, 56, died Saturday when he collided with a 2002 Honda sedan at the corner of South Salem Street and Apex Peakway. Police explained the circumstances surrounding the crash Tuesday afternoon.

Police Chief Jack K. Lewis said Rosar had been cycling with a large group of riders but broke off with another rider, probably to return home.

Rosar's companion, riding in front of him, successfully turned left from South Salem Street onto Apex Peakway. Rosar then moved to make the same turn.

What happened next is impossible to know for sure, but Lewis said Rosar apparently did not see the Honda, driven by Markcus Lamont McGee of New Hill, coming toward him. Rosar was thrown from his bicycle, and McGee stopped his car almost immediately.

McGee was driving safely and under the speed limit -- no more than 40 mph, Lewis estimated. Lewis also said that McGee had checked for traffic. McGee will not be charged or cited for his part in the accident.

Apex police did not release an accident report until Tuesday because Lewis said his department wanted to give all possible witnesses time to come forward. Officers interviewed several people who had been traveling by car behind McGee and Rosar, as well as at least one pedestrian who was standing on the corner of the intersection.

Lewis said he had spoken to Rosar's wife earlier in the day, who told him that it was common for Rosar to split from the group he was riding with to go home or to simply explore a new part of town. Rosar was a certified cycling instructor and founder of the N.C. Coalition for Bicycle Driving, an organization that stresses cycling safety and the rights of cyclists to use public roads.

Lewis expressed deep sympathy for Rosar and his family.

"It is just a terrible, tragic incident that has affected two families," Lewis said.

http://www.newsobserver.com/ne...int/story/1607754.html

 

[Safeway]

Thank you NFS4, we understand that this incident was due to lack of due diligence on part of the cyclist.

 

[zoiks]

The irony...