Cycling advocate dies after collision with ____

[theeedude]

I hate when car almost clips me. Usually it happens when some moron tries to make a right turn over the bike lane even after they see me in it. Because clearly getting their happy meal 3 seconds earlier is worth risking someone's life.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
and that is the rule.

why were you so against it earlier, insisting that a bike is not a vehicle?

That's not "the rule" here in PDX at all. Bikes are allowed everywhere except freeways, defined as roadway that does not have traffic signals. Bikes are allowed on 45mph highways here and that's just wrong.

As to your question, my "symantics game" comment explains enough to bother exploring your question any further. We're talking about roadways. The word "motor" is implied when talking about vehicles on roadways. Bicyclists should be regarded as pedestrians and need to get the F off the goddamn road.

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
the reality is not everyone will be paying attention all the time, even the best drivers make mistakes. the mismatch and low visibility of bicyclists is an inherently dangerous situation. they are just simply too delicate to be on the same road as motor vehicles. if a hummer just brushes against a civic sure the civics gonna have some damage, but people will be fine. if a civic just barely nudges a cycle, its going under the wheels of the cars behind it rather fast. its an additional stress for everyone involved, including drivers who frankly don't want to run people over anyways, if only because of the headache that would be involved sorting things out after even if you aren't at fault.

You're solidifying my passion against bicyclists being allowed on roadways. :thumbsup:

 

[theeedude]

Some people here need to pay more attention and be careful around bicyclists. Whether you wish bicyclists were allowed on roads or not is irrelevant, we are allowed by law to use those roads, and people need to be mindful of that.

 

[lupi]

so how many points was that?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some people here need to pay more attention and be careful around bicyclists. Whether you wish bicyclists were allowed on roads or not is irrelevant, we are allowed by law to use those roads, and people need to be mindful of that.

I'm perfectly well aware of that. My point is, however, that cyclists by nature are in a far less enviable position no matter how you look at it when an accident DOES happen.

People make mistakes when driving cars/trucks -- we all do. Hell, I'd say that we all make at least one mistake during our daily commutes -- same with cyclists. However, when it comes to cars and cyclists together on the road, that one mistake from either party is gonna result in the cyclists getting it up the ass 99.9% of the time.

We all take chances when we get in a car/truck and drive on public roads, however, we have a least some protection. Riding on a public road on a bicycle with cars, trucks, semis, buses, SUVs and whatever else is just asking for trouble.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some people here need to pay more attention and be careful around bicyclists. Whether you wish bicyclists were allowed on roads or not is irrelevant, we are allowed by law to use those roads, and people need to be mindful of that.

I think you missed the part where the bicyclist was at fault.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
It's annoying when bicyclists ignore traffic laws whenever it suits them in order to pass cars and split lanes then get pissed off when a car almost clips them.

Word.

That is fundamentally what I can not stand. I hate it when bicyclists just want to take and acknowledge only those rules which benefit them at that particular moment time.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some people here need to pay more attention and be careful around bicyclists. Whether you wish bicyclists were allowed on roads or not is irrelevant, we are allowed by law to use those roads, and people need to be mindful of that.

I'm perfectly well aware of that. My point is, however, that cyclists by nature are in a far less enviable position no matter how you look at it when an accident DOES happen.

People make mistakes when driving cars/trucks -- we all do. Hell, I'd say that we all make at least one mistake during our daily commutes -- same with cyclists. However, when it comes to cars and cyclists together on the road, that one mistake from either party is gonna result in the cyclists getting it up the ass 99.9% of the time.

We all take chances when we get in a car/truck and drive on public roads, however, we have a least some protection. Riding on a public road on a bicycle with cars, trucks, semis, buses, SUVs and whatever else is just asking for trouble.

I think bicyclists accept higher risks on the road, as do motorcyclists, for example. I generally stick to less crowded mountain roads and those with a bike lane, unless it can't be avoided, and I live in a very bike friendly community where people are generally aware of bikers. I also will take up full traffic lane if there is a store driveway on the right because I know drivers often do not treat bike lane as a real lane, and it's safer to be in their face then be ignored.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

is this the guy who's Youtube videos got linked here a few weeks ago? Seems like he was from Cary....

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Safeway
Lane splitting in traffic is legal.

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"Lane splitting is not recognized as a legal maneuver in any state except California. In most states it is not specifically prohibited but it is regularly interpreted by police and courts as unlawful."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...cite_note-Matthews2-62

owned?

The only person 'ownd' was Chaotic42.

If he read the post I was replying to, he would have read "in California." The mentally retarded individual said that he should, apparently justifiably, turn into and kill a lane splitting motorcyclist. Hence, my reply was directed to lane splitters in California.

 

[NaOH]

I think what we have here is that everyone on the road thinks that they're entitled to something. When I say everyone, I mean cars, trucks, motorcycles, mopeds, bicycles. Everyone is driving/riding so aggressively instead of defensively. If everyone abides the law and was aware of what was going on around them, there wouldn't be a need to outlaw bikes and the like from the roads.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: NaOH
I think what we have here is that everyone on the road thinks that they're entitled to something. When I say everyone, I mean cars, trucks, motorcycles, mopeds, bicycles. Everyone is driving/riding so aggressively instead of defensively. If everyone abides the law and was aware of what was going on around them, there wouldn't be a need to outlaw bikes and the like from the roads.

I've been pretty ignorant myself, but you sir, are very much correct.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
is this the guy who's Youtube videos got linked here a few weeks ago? Seems like he was from Cary....

You mean this fucker? Sorry..unfortunately he's still alive..

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some people here need to pay more attention and be careful around bicyclists. Whether you wish bicyclists were allowed on roads or not is irrelevant, we are allowed by law to use those roads, and people need to be mindful of that.

That's the mentality that's gonna get you killed if you keep it up. It's not the cars that will need to pay attention to the cyclists, but the cyclists need to pay attention to the cars.

Here's why - mass.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Safeway
Lane splitting in traffic is legal.

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"Lane splitting is not recognized as a legal maneuver in any state except California. In most states it is not specifically prohibited but it is regularly interpreted by police and courts as unlawful."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...cite_note-Matthews2-62

owned?

The only person 'ownd' was Chaotic42.

If he read the post I was replying to, he would have read "in California." The mentally retarded individual said that he should, apparently justifiably, turn into and kill a lane splitting motorcyclist. Hence, my reply was directed to lane splitters in California.

You responded to Eli saying that he would hit someone that was lane splitting, now click on his profile and tell us what state he's from.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some people here need to pay more attention and be careful around bicyclists. Whether you wish bicyclists were allowed on roads or not is irrelevant, we are allowed by law to use those roads, and people need to be mindful of that.

That's the mentality that's gonna get you killed if you keep it up. It's not the cars that will need to pay attention to the cyclists, but the cyclists need to pay attention to the cars.

Here's why - mass.

both need to pay attention to eachother.

everywhere where i live here has bike lanes, so i dont have to share lanes if i dont want to.

when i turn, if i can safely get over to a turn lane, i do. if i cant, i hop off and wait for a crosswalk.


i have not yet gotten hit by cars following these guidelines. i did get hit, 2x, when i was riding in the sidewalk as a rule. first time, i got hit by someone pulling out of a gas station. second time, i got hit by someone pulling into a gas station.

riding in the sidewalk does not offer all the safety you people seem to give it. it's true the stakes are higher on the road, but you're actually less likely to be hit.

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: Safeway
The lack of emotional aptitude is astonishing.

Given a number of your comments I don't think your complaints against other's lack of emotional aptitude carry much weight

 

[Gibson486]

I am not avid bike rider, but I even follow the rules. I stop, I look, I signal, and I know when it's a lost cause on certain roads.

Honestly, I feel for bikers, but I have only met a few that actually do not have dick attitudes. MOst of them just jet through traffic and go through red lights and stop signs. Only a few actually signal. If you live in the city, yeah, you can get away with it. However, I live in the burbs now and I see people just take lefts without signaling at all. Just yesterday, I saw a biker ride on Rt. 9. WTF??? Everyone guns it and drives crazy on the route. Use yoru brain.

From the sounds of the accident, he should have looked behind him and signaled before he turned. You have to do it in a car, why wouldn't you in a bike? On teh flip, maybe he did signal and the driver was too much of a moron to know what the hand signals were. Maybe he even though the cyclist was telling him to pass him. I could believe that also.

 

[Killmenow]

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: Babbles
Sucks that a person needlessly died, but from what I read it sound like he just pulled right into oncoming traffic. Almost an ironic death I suppose.

As far as we know, the other car had a stop light, flashing yellow/red, or yield sign or something. Other witnesses didn't stop. Also, if a so-called "smart light" doesn't see a bike, most jurisdictions allow you to treat it as defective (four-way stop, then go when safe to procede). Depending on the conditions, it may have been impossible to know when it was truly safe if the speed limit and visibility didn't help.

Just from looking at Google Street View, there seemed to be no such things on the road that he was traveling (at least not near the site of the accident... no stop signs, nothing... unless of course it was at Highway 55, but then the articles would have probably mentioned that instead.)

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm waiting for a lane splitting motorcyclist to knock himself out on the mirrors of my F250 here in CA.

Why? Lane-splitting helps traffic. Obviously, they shouldn't do it if there isn't enough room, but there's no reason to anticipate it like you want it to happen.

Um, I've ridden over 100K on motorcycles, owned 14 of them, was a MSF instructor for years, my mirrors stick out about 16 inches and are fairly solid, I keep seeing motorcyclists whiz past me with millimeters to spare.

Where in the hell do you see a hint that I want it to happen?

WTF do you think will eventually happen?

ive not read this thread on purpose based on the other bike thread, but i got bored this morning.


i was at a light getting off the freeway one time, stretched my arms and got my fist hit by a helmet as an idiot cut the lane to get closer to the intersection. he got all butthurt because i almost made him wreck. dumbass. its illegal to cut lanes here in az, and when riding my mc i never even contemplated doing such a stupid thing. eventually one will hit your mirrors, especially those F250 ones that stick out so damn far like that.


sucks that guy died, but all things ive read so far point to him being at fault. which sucks more, given his goals in life to make people more aware of bikes on the road.

 

[Phoenix86]

Bike+pedestrian accident=scrapes and bruises, rarely death.
Bike+vehicle accident=broken bones and other severe injuries, death isn't uncommon.

No matter how you want to quantify the injuries it's night and day difference between the two.

Based on that alone tell me what's more reasonable: adjust roadways or sidewalks for bikes?

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Safeway
Lane splitting in traffic is legal.

-
"Lane splitting is not recognized as a legal maneuver in any state except California. In most states it is not specifically prohibited but it is regularly interpreted by police and courts as unlawful."
-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...cite_note-Matthews2-62

owned?

The only person 'ownd' was Chaotic42.

If he read the post I was replying to, he would have read "in California." The mentally retarded individual said that he should, apparently justifiably, turn into and kill a lane splitting motorcyclist. Hence, my reply was directed to lane splitters in California.

You responded to Eli saying that he would hit someone that was lane splitting, now click on his profile and tell us what state he's from.

He was replying to lane splitting in California, the only state that it is legal in.

Regardless, if a motorcyclist does decide to lane split in another state, no way in hell does it give someone the right to turn into them as they pass. That is a foolish, immature, and potentially deadly action that should not be considered.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: Babbles
Sucks that a person needlessly died, but from what I read it sound like he just pulled right into oncoming traffic. Almost an ironic death I suppose.

Yeah, but it sounds like that's the story according to the driver that hit him. Since no witnesses have spoken up, it could be fabricated.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: kalrith

Originally posted by: Babbles
Sucks that a person needlessly died, but from what I read it sound like he just pulled right into oncoming traffic. Almost an ironic death I suppose.

Yeah, but it sounds like that's the story according to the driver that hit him. Since no witnesses have spoken up, it could be fabricated.

Didn't bother to read much of this thread, eh? I already addressed this idea as well as somebody else did a Google map look and there did not appear to be a light/sign.

Also one witness was mentioned in the original article.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some people here need to pay more attention and be careful around bicyclists. Whether you wish bicyclists were allowed on roads or not is irrelevant, we are allowed by law to use those roads, and people need to be mindful of that.

That's the mentality that's gonna get you killed if you keep it up. It's not the cars that will need to pay attention to the cyclists, but the cyclists need to pay attention to the cars.

Here's why - mass.

Cyclists already pay attention to cars, what gets them killed is drivers not paying attention. We had a cop fall asleep at the wheel and kill 2 cyclists around here.