Cycling advocate dies after collision with ____

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm waiting for a lane splitting motorcyclist to knock himself out on the mirrors of my F250 here in CA.

Why? Lane-splitting helps traffic. Obviously, they shouldn't do it if there isn't enough room, but there's no reason to anticipate it like you want it to happen.

Uh...

/furiously taps sarcasm meter

If I ever look back and see some asshat on a motorcycle weaving between cars, I'd crank the wheel and give him a taste of side mirror too.

Idiots.

Lane splitting in traffic is legal. If you would do that, would you also paralyze a 17 year old walking down the sidewalk, minding his own business? Would you also cripple a 32 year old man delivering your UPS package?

Fuck sakes, think before you speak. They are allowed to split lanes in California. If you turned your wheels to hit them on purpose, you are a fucking criminal. The implications of doing something like that are endless -- you could paralyze or kill the person on the motorcycle. And for what? For stopping something that does affect you at all?

As for the rest of the thread posters:

He got what he deserved? He is now an advocate for staying the fuck off the road? Morons. I'm not exactly sure what happened at that intersection, but neither are you guys. If he rolled into oncoming traffic, then yes, it is his fault. That does not mean that he got what he deserved. If the oncoming traffic broke the law and sped through a red light, it is their fault 90%, his fault 10% -- for not taking the extra time to ensure that the car was stopping.

The lack of emotional aptitude is astonishing. The next time you say that some good guy deserved to die, maybe think about people close to you. Do they deserve to die right now?

Did acemcmac deserve to die? Using your logic, yes.

Just because it's legal doesn't make it any less stupid. I'm not a fan of stupid people who beat their chests proclaiming their right to fly around the road expecting the whole world to stop and make sure they don't die.

Anyone riding split lanes or in heavy traffic is a flaming idiot.

 

[amdhunter]

Question:

Who pays for the damage to the Honda driver? It seems sorta bullshit that cyclists can cause damage to vehicles and leave the driver with expenses that can easily run into the thousands.

There should be a requirement for bicyclists to carry insurance, just for situations like this.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm waiting for a lane splitting motorcyclist to knock himself out on the mirrors of my F250 here in CA.

Why? Lane-splitting helps traffic. Obviously, they shouldn't do it if there isn't enough room, but there's no reason to anticipate it like you want it to happen.

Uh...

/furiously taps sarcasm meter

If I ever look back and see some asshat on a motorcycle weaving between cars, I'd crank the wheel and give him a taste of side mirror too.

Idiots.

Lane splitting in traffic is legal. If you would do that, would you also paralyze a 17 year old walking down the sidewalk, minding his own business? Would you also cripple a 32 year old man delivering your UPS package?

Fuck sakes, think before you speak. They are allowed to split lanes in California. If you turned your wheels to hit them on purpose, you are a fucking criminal. The implications of doing something like that are endless -- you could paralyze or kill the person on the motorcycle. And for what? For stopping something that does affect you at all?

As for the rest of the thread posters:

He got what he deserved? He is now an advocate for staying the fuck off the road? Morons. I'm not exactly sure what happened at that intersection, but neither are you guys. If he rolled into oncoming traffic, then yes, it is his fault. That does not mean that he got what he deserved. If the oncoming traffic broke the law and sped through a red light, it is their fault 90%, his fault 10% -- for not taking the extra time to ensure that the car was stopping.

The lack of emotional aptitude is astonishing. The next time you say that some good guy deserved to die, maybe think about people close to you. Do they deserve to die right now?

Did acemcmac deserve to die? Using your logic, yes.

Actually, using the same logic here, no. Acemcmac was crossing a street when hit by a DRUNK driver. This cyclist turned left in front of a vehicle. If you're taking a left, you are almost always at fault. There is absolutely no correlation.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Actually, using the same logic here, no. Acemcmac was crossing a street when hit by a DRUNK driver. This cyclist turned left in front of a vehicle. If you're taking a left, you are almost always at fault. There is absolutely no correlation.

He shouldn't have been crossing the street. Even though it is legal to cross the street, it is extremely dangerous to cross the street, especially around bars, where drunk drivers are reasonably foreseeable. In fact, a sober driver with poor night vision could have hit the group of students. A sober driver adjusting the radio could have hit the students. The simple fact is, they shouldn't have been crossing the street, even though it is legal to do so.

Look, I don't agree with this logic, and acemcmac's death was tragic and senseless, but this is the logic you guys are applying to cyclists on the road.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm waiting for a lane splitting motorcyclist to knock himself out on the mirrors of my F250 here in CA.

Why? Lane-splitting helps traffic. Obviously, they shouldn't do it if there isn't enough room, but there's no reason to anticipate it like you want it to happen.

Um, I've ridden over 100K on motorcycles, owned 14 of them, was a MSF instructor for years, my mirrors stick out about 16 inches and are fairly solid, I keep seeing motorcyclists whiz past me with millimeters to spare.

Where in the hell do you see a hint that I want it to happen?

WTF do you think will eventually happen?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Actually, using the same logic here, no. Acemcmac was crossing a street when hit by a DRUNK driver. This cyclist turned left in front of a vehicle. If you're taking a left, you are almost always at fault. There is absolutely no correlation.

He shouldn't have been crossing the street. Even though it is legal to cross the street, it is extremely dangerous to cross the street, especially around bars, where drunk drivers are reasonably foreseeable. In fact, a sober driver with poor night vision could have hit the group of students. A sober driver adjusting the radio could have hit the students. The simple fact is, they shouldn't have been crossing the street, even though it is legal to do so.

Look, I don't agree with this logic, and acemcmac's death was tragic and senseless, but this is the logic you guys are applying to cyclists on the road.

WTF stupidity is this.

One action is legal (i.e. pedestrian crossing the street) and the other is illegal (i.e. illegal left turn). How in the hell is somebody supposed to ever get around if they can't cross the street?

I just so happen to live in the same city that Acemcmac was killed in (State College, PA) and the street he was crossing is crossed thousands of times a day by students who live on one side and need to cross to go to campus & downtown (or vice versa). It is mind-boggling stupid to say that "they shouldn't have been crossing the street, even though it is legal to do so."

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Question:

Who pays for the damage to the Honda driver? It seems sorta bullshit that cyclists can cause damage to vehicles and leave the driver with expenses that can easily run into the thousands.

There should be a requirement for bicyclists to carry insurance, just for situations like this.

How about pedestrians?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Actually, using the same logic here, no. Acemcmac was crossing a street when hit by a DRUNK driver. This cyclist turned left in front of a vehicle. If you're taking a left, you are almost always at fault. There is absolutely no correlation.

He shouldn't have been crossing the street. Even though it is legal to cross the street, it is extremely dangerous to cross the street, especially around bars, where drunk drivers are reasonably foreseeable. In fact, a sober driver with poor night vision could have hit the group of students. A sober driver adjusting the radio could have hit the students. The simple fact is, they shouldn't have been crossing the street, even though it is legal to do so.

Look, I don't agree with this logic, and acemcmac's death was tragic and senseless, but this is the logic you guys are applying to cyclists on the road.

err wtf? thats silly.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Actually, using the same logic here, no. Acemcmac was crossing a street when hit by a DRUNK driver. This cyclist turned left in front of a vehicle. If you're taking a left, you are almost always at fault. There is absolutely no correlation.

He shouldn't have been crossing the street. Even though it is legal to cross the street, it is extremely dangerous to cross the street, especially around bars, where drunk drivers are reasonably foreseeable. In fact, a sober driver with poor night vision could have hit the group of students. A sober driver adjusting the radio could have hit the students. The simple fact is, they shouldn't have been crossing the street, even though it is legal to do so.

Look, I don't agree with this logic, and acemcmac's death was tragic and senseless, but this is the logic you guys are applying to cyclists on the road.

err wtf? thats silly.

Yea, it is silly, isn't it. Yet that is the logic they apply to cyclists on the roads, following the law. (In this case, the cyclist was apparently ot following the law, but in the other thread, most of the posters stated that cyclists on the road should be killed, even if they are riding in accordance to the law.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Yeah, saw it on the news last night. Sucks to hear about anyone dying, but given the traffic patterns here in Wake county, I wouldn't be caught dead riding a bike on city streets. 3,000+ lb car or 5,000+ SUV vs bicycle = pwnage.

Yeah, yeah, cyclists should be able to share the road. Yeah, yeah, drivers should be made more aware of cyclists. Bottom line, it's crazy enough driving city streets in a vehicle; setting yourself up for fail on a bicycle on city streets is your own gamble with meeting your maker.

As an avid bicyclist...

...I couldn't agree more.

I don't ride the main roads anymore - too many "close encounters". The bottom line is, you have no protection vs. a 3000-pound car and a person who is probably shaving, texting, or doing their makeup. I ride early in the morning, before 6am, and avoid main roads. The situation is what it is - you can't change the road system.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Actually, using the same logic here, no. Acemcmac was crossing a street when hit by a DRUNK driver. This cyclist turned left in front of a vehicle. If you're taking a left, you are almost always at fault. There is absolutely no correlation.

He shouldn't have been crossing the street. Even though it is legal to cross the street, it is extremely dangerous to cross the street, especially around bars, where drunk drivers are reasonably foreseeable. In fact, a sober driver with poor night vision could have hit the group of students. A sober driver adjusting the radio could have hit the students. The simple fact is, they shouldn't have been crossing the street, even though it is legal to do so.

Look, I don't agree with this logic, and acemcmac's death was tragic and senseless, but this is the logic you guys are applying to cyclists on the road.

You can't be serious.

 

[MovingTarget]

Wow, a lot of hate for cyclists here. I'd cycle to work myself, but my old Schwinn is in need of some serious repair. The problem is two fold: 1) A lot of drivers are just plain ignorant/inconsiderate of those around them and 2) Many municipalities just don't care for bicyclists and don't design their roads to accommodate them. Hell, most communities don't even have sidewalks or road shoulders so they can't ride anywhere but in the road....

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: NFS4
Yeah, saw it on the news last night. Sucks to hear about anyone dying, but given the traffic patterns here in Wake county, I wouldn't be caught dead riding a bike on city streets. 3,000+ lb car or 5,000+ SUV vs bicycle = pwnage.

Yeah, yeah, cyclists should be able to share the road. Yeah, yeah, drivers should be made more aware of cyclists. Bottom line, it's crazy enough driving city streets in a vehicle; setting yourself up for fail on a bicycle on city streets is your own gamble with meeting your maker.

As an avid bicyclist...

...I couldn't agree more.

I don't ride the main roads anymore - too many "close encounters". The bottom line is, you have no protection vs. a 3000-pound car and a person who is probably shaving, texting, or doing their makeup. I ride early in the morning, before 6am, and avoid main roads. The situation is what it is - you can't change the road system.

this is why i stoped rideing my motercycle and only ride my bike on bike paths in parks anymore. to many idiots

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Nik
Roadways are meant for motor vehicles. Period. Not pedestrians. Not bicyclists. Not little kids who can't be bothered to find some place else to play.

According to the rules of the road, the street/road is where the bicycle belongs. They are beholden to the exact some rules that a driver must obey.

Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk, period.

 

[SonnyDaze]

Bummer.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm waiting for a lane splitting motorcyclist to knock himself out on the mirrors of my F250 here in CA.

Why? Lane-splitting helps traffic. Obviously, they shouldn't do it if there isn't enough room, but there's no reason to anticipate it like you want it to happen.

Uh...

/furiously taps sarcasm meter

If I ever look back and see some asshat on a motorcycle weaving between cars, I'd crank the wheel and give him a taste of side mirror too.

Idiots.

Lane splitting in traffic is legal. If you would do that, would you also paralyze a 17 year old walking down the sidewalk, minding his own business? Would you also cripple a 32 year old man delivering your UPS package?

Fuck sakes, think before you speak. They are allowed to split lanes in California. If you turned your wheels to hit them on purpose, you are a fucking criminal. The implications of doing something like that are endless -- you could paralyze or kill the person on the motorcycle. And for what? For stopping something that does affect you at all?

As for the rest of the thread posters:

He got what he deserved? He is now an advocate for staying the fuck off the road? Morons. I'm not exactly sure what happened at that intersection, but neither are you guys. If he rolled into oncoming traffic, then yes, it is his fault. That does not mean that he got what he deserved. If the oncoming traffic broke the law and sped through a red light, it is their fault 90%, his fault 10% -- for not taking the extra time to ensure that the car was stopping.

The lack of emotional aptitude is astonishing. The next time you say that some good guy deserved to die, maybe think about people close to you. Do they deserve to die right now?

Did acemcmac deserve to die? Using your logic, yes.

Just because it's legal doesn't make it any less stupid. I'm not a fan of stupid people who beat their chests proclaiming their right to fly around the road expecting the whole world to stop and make sure they don't die.

Anyone riding split lanes or in heavy traffic is a flaming idiot.

lanesplitting is annoying, sure, but i don't think there is anything inherently wrong with it. (I hate motorcyclists, honestly, and have very little sympathy when they end up killing themselves).

anyhoo, I think it depends on the current traffic conditions. High speed 5-lane highway = stupid. City traffic at a standstill, really does nothing to affect any other driver, except to lessen the gridlock, then fine.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
lanesplitting is annoying, sure, but i don't think there is anything inherently wrong with it. (I hate motorcyclists, honestly, and have very little sympathy when they end up killing themselves).

You do realize that most motorcycle fatalities occur because the person in the car/truck/whatever wasn't paying attention, right? You have no sympathy for someone who dies becaus someone else wasn't paying attention and killed them?

Classy :roll:

 

[Bibble]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Nik
Roadways are meant for motor vehicles. Period. Not pedestrians. Not bicyclists. Not little kids who can't be bothered to find some place else to play.

According to the rules of the road, the street/road is where the bicycle belongs. They are beholden to the exact some rules that a driver must obey.

Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk, period.

Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous
lanesplitting is annoying, sure, but i don't think there is anything inherently wrong with it. (I hate motorcyclists, honestly, and have very little sympathy when they end up killing themselves).

You do realize that most motorcycle fatalities occur because the person in the car/truck/whatever wasn't paying attention, right? You have no sympathy for someone who dies becaus someone else wasn't paying attention and killed them?

Classy :roll:

like I said: in the case when they end up killing themselves, no. speeding around a turn to break in their new bike, very little experience, showing off, whatever.

There's a shitload of mountains around here, and it seems that a week doesn't go by where some biker doesn't fly around a switchback and careen off the side, just because they're idiots.

and how can you even quantify that the car/truck/whatever "wasn't paying attention?" Are you only assuming that the biker was 100% in the right for accelerating up to the side of the vehicle or cutting in front at speeds far too quick for any other driver to be aware of their sudden presence?

How many times have you been flying down the freeway only to be breezed by a few bikers weaving in and out of traffic? One second your blind spot is clear, the next you're pulling into some dipshit cyclist that, by your logic, probably was in the right?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Bibble

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Nik
Roadways are meant for motor vehicles. Period. Not pedestrians. Not bicyclists. Not little kids who can't be bothered to find some place else to play.

According to the rules of the road, the street/road is where the bicycle belongs. They are beholden to the exact some rules that a driver must obey.

Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk, period.

Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

because pedestrians belong on the sidewalk. Them's the rules.

Bicycle = vehicle. vehicles belong on the road.

 

[SSSnail]

Didn't this guy post some videos on youtube a while back showing how idiot bicyclist can be?

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Bibble

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Nik
Roadways are meant for motor vehicles. Period. Not pedestrians. Not bicyclists. Not little kids who can't be bothered to find some place else to play.

According to the rules of the road, the street/road is where the bicycle belongs. They are beholden to the exact some rules that a driver must obey.

Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk, period.

Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

They call it a sidewalk for a reason. It's for walking/running not riding a bike. Like Zin said, a bike is a vehicle and belongs on the road unless unsafe to do so. It's really a damn shame if cities don't spend the extra money to put in wide enough bike lanes. Many accidents could be avoided by doing so.

 

[Baked]

How do you feel sad over this guy who presumably thinks he owns the road on his fancy 2 wheeler but end up getting rolled over by a 2 ton truck? If you feel sad for something this trivial, do you cry yourself to sleep over people who have no control over their life and live in fear everyday of their life? Is this why half of the population has depression?

 

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Question:

Who pays for the damage to the Honda driver? It seems sorta bullshit that cyclists can cause damage to vehicles and leave the driver with expenses that can easily run into the thousands.

There should be a requirement for bicyclists to carry insurance, just for situations like this.

How about pedestrians?

Pedestrians dont usually travel in traffic?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Bibble

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Nik
Roadways are meant for motor vehicles. Period. Not pedestrians. Not bicyclists. Not little kids who can't be bothered to find some place else to play.

According to the rules of the road, the street/road is where the bicycle belongs. They are beholden to the exact some rules that a driver must obey.

Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk, period.

Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

because pedestrians belong on the sidewalk. Them's the rules.

Bicycle = vehicle. vehicles belong on the road.

Bicycles have been incorrectly classified as vehicles. It's a symatics game.

Plain and simple, motor vehicles belong on the road and nothing else.