Cycling advocate dies after collision with ____

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Bibble

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Nik
Roadways are meant for motor vehicles. Period. Not pedestrians. Not bicyclists. Not little kids who can't be bothered to find some place else to play.

According to the rules of the road, the street/road is where the bicycle belongs. They are beholden to the exact some rules that a driver must obey.

Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk, period.

Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

They call it a sidewalk for a reason. It's for walking/running not riding a bike. Like Zin said, a bike is a vehicle and belongs on the road unless unsafe to do so. It's really a damn shame if cities don't spend the extra money to put in wide enough bike lanes. Many accidents could be avoided by doing so.

Maybe if bicyclists weren't fucking assholes who think they rule the road, we wouldn't have as many accidents? It's amazing how many bicyclists don't think they have to obey the rules of the road because there's no steering wheel on their bike. I see bikes flying through intersections against red lights, I see dumbasses flying across crosswalks and turning cars not seeing them in time because the bike is moving so fast. I see bikes weaving in and out of traffic all the time.

I'm sorry, but if you're on a bicycle and get run over, it's most likely your fault for being where you shouldn't have been.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Bibble

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Nik
Roadways are meant for motor vehicles. Period. Not pedestrians. Not bicyclists. Not little kids who can't be bothered to find some place else to play.

According to the rules of the road, the street/road is where the bicycle belongs. They are beholden to the exact some rules that a driver must obey.

Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk, period.

Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

because pedestrians belong on the sidewalk. Them's the rules.

Bicycle = vehicle. vehicles belong on the road.

Bicycles have been incorrectly classified as vehicles. It's a symatics game.

Plain and simple, motor vehicles belong on the road and nothing else.

It's a vehicle no matter how you look at it. It's a mechanized mode of transport.

 

[se7en]

Originally posted by: Baked
How do you feel sad over this guy who presumably thinks he owns the road on his fancy 2 wheeler but end up getting rolled over by a 2 ton truck?

This guy was huge into teaching cyclists about using proper road safety but he just made a mistake. He setup numerous safety groups to help other cyclists learn how to be more defensive and on how to share the road with the much larger vehicles.

He made the mistake more than likely and he also paid the price in full. It's sad that a guy who worked so hard at preventing these accidents ended up being a statistic of one.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
It's a vehicle no matter how you look at it. It's a mechanized mode of transport.

It's a few pieces of metal fucking pipe that cannot keep up with most traffic. It creates a hazard not only for the dumbass who's trying to squeeze his pretentious ass between two 3,000lb+ vehicles, but also a hazard for those IN the vehicles. If you want to kill yourself, fine. Go do it somewhere that won't ruin finances of those who drive over your retarded ass.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
It's a vehicle no matter how you look at it. It's a mechanized mode of transport.

It's a few pieces of metal fucking pipe that cannot keep up with most traffic. It creates a hazard not only for the dumbass who's trying to squeeze his pretentious ass between two 3,000lb+ vehicles, but also a hazard for those IN the vehicles. If you want to kill yourself, fine. Go do it somewhere that won't ruin finances of those who drive over your retarded ass.

Hmm..I'm detecting some hatred towards cyclists. Are you upset about all the bike lanes they've laid in PDX?

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
It's a vehicle no matter how you look at it. Anything that's classified as a mode of transportation is a vehicle.

Ok, if they want to be classified as a vehicle while reaping all the benefits of being one, maybe they should obey all the traffic laws that pertain to motorized vehicles and BUY VEHICLE INSURANCE!

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: se7en

Originally posted by: Baked
How do you feel sad over this guy who presumably thinks he owns the road on his fancy 2 wheeler but end up getting rolled over by a 2 ton truck?

This guy was huge into teaching cyclists about using proper road safety but he just made a mistake. He setup numerous safety groups to help other cyclists learn how to be more defensive and on how to share the road with the much larger vehicles.

He made the mistake more than likely and he also paid the price in full. It's sad that a guy who worked so hard at preventing these accidents ended up being a statistic of one.

If he was so huge into teaching cyclists about using proper road safety, he wouldn't have made that stupid left turn.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
It's a vehicle no matter how you look at it. It's a mechanized mode of transport.

It's a few pieces of metal fucking pipe that cannot keep up with most traffic. It creates a hazard not only for the dumbass who's trying to squeeze his pretentious ass between two 3,000lb+ vehicles, but also a hazard for those IN the vehicles. If you want to kill yourself, fine. Go do it somewhere that won't ruin finances of those who drive over your retarded ass.

I don't have as much hatred as you do apparently, but I do agree with your general principles. I've seen too many bicyclists hold up traffic and get into and cause accidents that I'm a little adverse to them myself.

 

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
It's a vehicle no matter how you look at it. It's a mechanized mode of transport.

It's a few pieces of metal fucking pipe that cannot keep up with most traffic. It creates a hazard not only for the dumbass who's trying to squeeze his pretentious ass between two 3,000lb+ vehicles, but also a hazard for those IN the vehicles. If you want to kill yourself, fine. Go do it somewhere that won't ruin finances of those who drive over your retarded ass.

Hmm..I'm detecting some hatred towards cyclists. Are you upset about all the bike lanes they've laid in PDX?

The onslaught of bike lanes appearing in NYC is absolutely mindblowing. The best part is that bikers still don't use them (at least along the Concourse in the Bronx, Manhattan has more tolerable bikers, although they still seem to not look behind them when they move out of the bike lanes.

Most of these morons deserve to get hit. Not die, but at least take a good hit to learn a lesson.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm waiting for a lane splitting motorcyclist to knock himself out on the mirrors of my F250 here in CA.

Why? Lane-splitting helps traffic. Obviously, they shouldn't do it if there isn't enough room, but there's no reason to anticipate it like you want it to happen.

Uh...

/furiously taps sarcasm meter

If I ever look back and see some asshat on a motorcycle weaving between cars, I'd crank the wheel and give him a taste of side mirror too.

Idiots.

I split lanes at intersections and things of that sort, or when traffic backs up. There's no sense in waiting behind a bunch of cars, when i can just go in between them.

Splitting lanes at speed is a good way to donate kidneys though.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Safeway
Lane splitting in traffic is legal.

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"Lane splitting is not recognized as a legal maneuver in any state except California. In most states it is not specifically prohibited but it is regularly interpreted by police and courts as unlawful."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...cite_note-Matthews2-62

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Didn't this guy post some videos on youtube a while back showing how idiot bicyclist can be?

I HOPE THAT'S THE GUY!

I think the youtube dude was in one of the carolinas, so that would work out nicely.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Safeway
Lane splitting in traffic is legal.

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"Lane splitting is not recognized as a legal maneuver in any state except California. In most states it is not specifically prohibited but it is regularly interpreted by police and courts as unlawful."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...cite_note-Matthews2-62

owned?

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Safeway
Lane splitting in traffic is legal.

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"Lane splitting is not recognized as a legal maneuver in any state except California. In most states it is not specifically prohibited but it is regularly interpreted by police and courts as unlawful."
-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...cite_note-Matthews2-62

Its called lane sharing. If he crosses the lane lines, he should be using his signal.

Yea, there are dumbasses that whiz between cars, there are also motorcycles that coast between them at 5-10mph over traffic speeds. If he hits a car mirror because there was no space between the lane, it is his own damn fault.

If he gets hit because of an asshole driver, he knew the risks.

<= has an M1 for the last 6 years in california.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
It's a vehicle no matter how you look at it. It's a mechanized mode of transport.

It's a few pieces of metal fucking pipe that cannot keep up with most traffic. It creates a hazard not only for the dumbass who's trying to squeeze his pretentious ass between two 3,000lb+ vehicles, but also a hazard for those IN the vehicles. If you want to kill yourself, fine. Go do it somewhere that won't ruin finances of those who drive over your retarded ass.

Hmm..I'm detecting some hatred towards cyclists. Are you upset about all the bike lanes they've laid in PDX?

No, why would I be?

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Bibble
Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

Adult bikes going at a decent speed are safest in the far right side of a road, where they're expected. Kids bikes are generally safest on the sidewalk. Many places have specific laws to this effect.

Adult bikes can hit 25 Mph or so on a flat -- that sort of speed is completely unexpected on the sidewalk, and especially unexpected in sidewalk gaps at road crossings -- nobody, kids, adults, seniors, and notably cars, are checking for anyone whizzing along on a sidewalk at that sort of speed, and the traffic pattern on a sidewalk is much more erratic with people moving in & out of buildings, etc.

Some places have a different sort of load, where everyone's on the road and the sidewalk's almost always empty if it even exists. In that sort of place, the points about safety for others and unexpected traffic don't really apply, but the point about gaps in the sidewalk do -- drivers will often block the path of a sidewalk after briefly checking for pedestrians -- this brief check would not be enough for a fast bike, and would be equivalent to cars stopping in the middle of an intersection before checking for cross traffic.

 

[Chaotic42]

According to this PDF, an on-road painted bike lane setup in both directions costs about $4,000/mi. That sounds like a decent use of "green transportation" funds, especially when coupled with an on-road bicycle license program.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: Bibble
Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

Adult bikes going at a decent speed are safest in the far right side of a road, where they're expected. Kids bikes are generally safest on the sidewalk. Many places have specific laws to this effect.

Adult bikes can hit 25 Mph or so on a flat -- that sort of speed is completely unexpected on the sidewalk, and especially unexpected in sidewalk gaps at road crossings -- nobody, kids, adults, seniors, and notably cars, are checking for anyone whizzing along on a sidewalk at that sort of speed, and the traffic pattern on a sidewalk is much more erratic with people moving in & out of buildings, etc.

Some places have a different sort of load, where everyone's on the road and the sidewalk's almost always empty if it even exists. In that sort of place, the points about safety for others and unexpected traffic don't really apply, but the point about gaps in the sidewalk do -- drivers will often block the path of a sidewalk after briefly checking for pedestrians -- this brief check would not be enough for a fast bike, and would be equivalent to cars stopping in the middle of an intersection before checking for cross traffic.

So adult bikes should be allowed on residential roads and kept off of anything faster than 25mph roads? I can live with that.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: Bibble
Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

Adult bikes going at a decent speed are safest in the far right side of a road, where they're expected. Kids bikes are generally safest on the sidewalk. Many places have specific laws to this effect.

Adult bikes can hit 25 Mph or so on a flat -- that sort of speed is completely unexpected on the sidewalk, and especially unexpected in sidewalk gaps at road crossings -- nobody, kids, adults, seniors, and notably cars, are checking for anyone whizzing along on a sidewalk at that sort of speed, and the traffic pattern on a sidewalk is much more erratic with people moving in & out of buildings, etc.

Some places have a different sort of load, where everyone's on the road and the sidewalk's almost always empty if it even exists. In that sort of place, the points about safety for others and unexpected traffic don't really apply, but the point about gaps in the sidewalk do -- drivers will often block the path of a sidewalk after briefly checking for pedestrians -- this brief check would not be enough for a fast bike, and would be equivalent to cars stopping in the middle of an intersection before checking for cross traffic.

So adult bikes should be allowed on residential roads and kept off of anything faster than 25mph roads? I can live with that.

Yep, me too.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Bottom line is that bicycles have been around forever, just like motorcycles, and their use has been accepted and grandfathered in to current laws and regulations.

If they were invented today (or motorcycles for that matter), they would not be allowed on public roads because of the safety issue(s) involved in sharing the road with a car.

Look at the problems the Segway has had, not allowed on city streets or sidewalks in most cities.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: NFS4
Yeah, saw it on the news last night. Sucks to hear about anyone dying, but given the traffic patterns here in Wake county, I wouldn't be caught dead riding a bike on city streets. 3,000+ lb car or 5,000+ SUV vs bicycle = pwnage.

Yeah, yeah, cyclists should be able to share the road. Yeah, yeah, drivers should be made more aware of cyclists. Bottom line, it's crazy enough driving city streets in a vehicle; setting yourself up for fail on a bicycle on city streets is your own gamble with meeting your maker.

As an avid bicyclist...

...I couldn't agree more.

I don't ride the main roads anymore - too many "close encounters". The bottom line is, you have no protection vs. a 3000-pound car and a person who is probably shaving, texting, or doing their makeup. I ride early in the morning, before 6am, and avoid main roads. The situation is what it is - you can't change the road system.

I started biking on the street before driving a car. Now that I actually do drive, and have to deal with cyclists sharing the road, no way in hell am I ever going to ride my bike on a busy road even if it has a bike lane.

They should give bikes a real, near-full sized lane, or a gimped lane separated by some sort of median.

And uh, OP story guy killed himself.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Bibble

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Nik
Roadways are meant for motor vehicles. Period. Not pedestrians. Not bicyclists. Not little kids who can't be bothered to find some place else to play.

According to the rules of the road, the street/road is where the bicycle belongs. They are beholden to the exact some rules that a driver must obey.

Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk, period.

Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

because pedestrians belong on the sidewalk. Them's the rules.

Bicycle = vehicle. vehicles belong on the road.

Bicycles have been incorrectly classified as vehicles. It's a symatics game.

Plain and simple, motor vehicles belong on the road and nothing else.

patently untrue.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: Bibble
Forgive my ignorance, but why don't bikes belong on the sidewalk? I think they're more of a hazard on the road than off.

Adult bikes going at a decent speed are safest in the far right side of a road, where they're expected. Kids bikes are generally safest on the sidewalk. Many places have specific laws to this effect.

Adult bikes can hit 25 Mph or so on a flat -- that sort of speed is completely unexpected on the sidewalk, and especially unexpected in sidewalk gaps at road crossings -- nobody, kids, adults, seniors, and notably cars, are checking for anyone whizzing along on a sidewalk at that sort of speed, and the traffic pattern on a sidewalk is much more erratic with people moving in & out of buildings, etc.

Some places have a different sort of load, where everyone's on the road and the sidewalk's almost always empty if it even exists. In that sort of place, the points about safety for others and unexpected traffic don't really apply, but the point about gaps in the sidewalk do -- drivers will often block the path of a sidewalk after briefly checking for pedestrians -- this brief check would not be enough for a fast bike, and would be equivalent to cars stopping in the middle of an intersection before checking for cross traffic.

So adult bikes should be allowed on residential roads and kept off of anything faster than 25mph roads? I can live with that.

and that is the rule.

why were you so against it earlier, insisting that a bike is not a vehicle?

 

[Mo0o]

It's annoying when bicyclists ignore traffic laws whenever it suits them in order to pass cars and split lanes then get pissed off when a car almost clips them.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous
lanesplitting is annoying, sure, but i don't think there is anything inherently wrong with it. (I hate motorcyclists, honestly, and have very little sympathy when they end up killing themselves).

You do realize that most motorcycle fatalities occur because the person in the car/truck/whatever wasn't paying attention, right? You have no sympathy for someone who dies becaus someone else wasn't paying attention and killed them?

Classy :roll:

the reality is not everyone will be paying attention all the time, even the best drivers make mistakes. the mismatch and low visibility of bicyclists is an inherently dangerous situation. they are just simply too delicate to be on the same road as motor vehicles. if a hummer just brushes against a civic sure the civics gonna have some damage, but people will be fine. if a civic just barely nudges a cycle, its going under the wheels of the cars behind it rather fast. its an additional stress for everyone involved, including drivers who frankly don't want to run people over anyways, if only because of the headache that would be involved sorting things out after even if you aren't at fault.