Crytek says they will not longer be pc exclusive

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: Red Storm
If I were a game dev, I would fight fire with fire. If my game was nearing release, I'd "leak" out a ton of torrents that either didn't work, or were infected with trojans and the like. Yes, it's wrong, but so is pirating games.

It'd work for a week before the rogue IPs were added to PeerGuardian. I think MediaSentry does something like this, causing lots of popular movies and music torrents to end up wasting hundreds of megabytes in hash failures. But Peerguardian resolves this issue.

This method was popular back in the early days of Kazaa, from what I remember. Spend a week downloading what you think is the latest AAA-game, only to find out it's a junk file made up of 0s.

 

[ShawnD1]

A lot of cracked games still do contain viruses and trojans. I think it's pretty funny how those are likely made by the company that made the game. It's funny because it's almost legal. While there are probably laws against making viruses, a person filing a claim against the company would first need to admit to piracy, which leaves them open to a lawsuit in the 6-figure range.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Yea throw all pirates in jail, as if our prisons aren't overloaded enough.

Criminals belong in jail, pirates are criminals. Which of those do you not agree with?

You are clearly out of your mind.

If you think wanting criminals in jail makes me out of my mind you may want to seek professional help.

 

[jjones]

I no longer care what game devs think or do. We've been getting the same old rehashed crap for so many years now they'd be doing us a favor if they just went to console exclusively.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Yea throw all pirates in jail, as if our prisons aren't overloaded enough.

Criminals belong in jail, pirates are criminals. Which of those do you not agree with?

You are clearly out of your mind.

If you think wanting criminals in jail makes me out of my mind you may want to seek professional help.

Shoplifters don't get put in jail. They pay a fine.

Furthermore, you're insane and you're using argumentative techniques that are completely absurd and blatantly underhanded, which only reveals how stupid you are.

 

[Martimus]

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[BD2003]

Piracy is still just the scapegoat. The real reason is that its just plain just stupid for them to ignore that huge console market. I'm not denying that piracy exist, just that it always has, and always will exist. They gotta go where the money is, I'm surprised anyone is PC exclusive anymore. Consoles arent the joke they used to be, the only thing theyre really missing nowadays is a mouse and KB.

 

[Lithan]

Our sales suck... but we are awesome! Damn pirates! -Crytek

Our record sales suck... but we are awesome! Damn pirates! -Lars Ulrich

Welcome to the 21st century. The century of suck.

As an almost pc-exclusive gamer, I say good riddance. Learn to make an engine that isn't a boat on consoles then get back to me Crytek.

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Piracy is still just the scapegoat. The real reason is that its just plain just stupid for them to ignore that huge console market. I'm not denying that piracy exist, just that it always has, and always will exist. They gotta go where the money is, I'm surprised anyone is PC exclusive anymore. Consoles arent the joke they used to be, the only thing theyre really missing nowadays is a mouse and KB.

KB and mouse went back as far as Dreamcast and Playstation... maybe even sega saturn (not sure).

 

[Lithan]

I support throwing everyone in jail except me and hot women. And by jail I mean a volcano.

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
A lot of cracked games still do contain viruses and trojans. I think it's pretty funny how those are likely made by the company that made the game. It's funny because it's almost legal. While there are probably laws against making viruses, a person filing a claim against the company would first need to admit to piracy, which leaves them open to a lawsuit in the 6-figure range.

I have never, not one single time, EVER seen a game released that had a virus/trojan/malware on it. I guess if you guys go to www.zomgpiracyyay.com and download torrents yea you're going ot get viruses, but the groups that release the games will never put viruses in them, nor would they last longer than half a second if they did.

 

[Piuc2020]

If game sales were inversely proportional to the difficulty of piracy then games like Sins of a Solar Empire and Oblivion (which doesn't even have a cd-check in the case of sins) would be selling like shit and we all know they are best sellers.

This is once again, a greedy corporate move that will only further damage PC gaming, it's disappointing though, CryTek will probably release a bunch of mediocre games now (and I actually loved Crysis).

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Yea throw all pirates in jail, as if our prisons aren't overloaded enough.

Criminals belong in jail, pirates are criminals. Which of those do you not agree with?

You are clearly out of your mind.

If you think wanting criminals in jail makes me out of my mind you may want to seek professional help.

Piracy is a civil matter though, not a criminal one. We should fine pirates, not throw them in jail, which is (I am pretty sure) what the law states. If they don't pay, the gov starts garnishing their wages.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020
If game sales were inversely proportional to the difficulty of piracy then games like Sins of a Solar Empire and Oblivion (which doesn't even have a cd-check in the case of sins) would be selling like shit and we all know they are best sellers.

This is once again, a greedy corporate move that will only further damage PC gaming, it's disappointing though, CryTek will probably release a bunch of mediocre games now (and I actually loved Crysis).

Good riddance, I think CryTek should go CryMore.

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
A lot of cracked games still do contain viruses and trojans. I think it's pretty funny how those are likely made by the company that made the game. It's funny because it's almost legal. While there are probably laws against making viruses, a person filing a claim against the company would first need to admit to piracy, which leaves them open to a lawsuit in the 6-figure range.

I have never, not one single time, EVER seen a game released that had a virus/trojan/malware on it. I guess if you guys go to www.zomgpiracyyay.com and download torrents yea you're going ot get viruses, but the groups that release the games will never put viruses in them, nor would they last longer than half a second if they did.

RIAA was releasing fake MP3's with malware in the latter days of "illegal" p2p.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Shoplifters don't get put in jail. They pay a fine.

I won't take this as evidence of your intellect-

SIX WOMEN SENT TO JAIL FOR THEFT; All Convicted of Shoplifting and Each Has Fine Added to Sentence.

But it gets much better-

360 individuals in California are serving life sentences for shoplifting small amounts of merchandise.

That last one was based on three strikes, but trying to imply people don't go to jail for shoplifting demonstrates the amount of research you put into your posts.

Furthermore, you're insane and you're using argumentative techniques that are completely absurd and blatantly underhanded, which only reveals how stupid you are.

You must be truly enlightened. I am certainly not going to judge you by your demonstrated profound ignorance of the law.

Piracy is a civil matter though, not a criminal one.

In fact the website owner, 27-yr-old Nathan Peterson, was given sentence of more than seven years. So far, it's the longest sentence ever given for software piracy

Link.

We should fine pirates, not throw them in jail, which is (I am pretty sure) what the law states. If they don't pay, the gov starts garnishing their wages.

If someone was walking in to a store, shoplifting a game to bring it home and pirate it, then returning the package to the store should they not face criminal charges? We already do throw pirates in jail, just as we do shoplifters. If they were both enforced in a similar matter then we would see software piracy decline.

 

[Jules]

Great more games for me on my consols

 

[legoman666]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Online games like Half-Life, Team Fortress 2, and World of Warcraft have incredibly low piracy rates, so I'm a bit surprised that companies keep making single-player-only games like Bioshock. After seeing what happened to Doom 3, what did they think was going to happen? One would need to be a complete idiot to assume Bioshock wouldn't get pirated like crazy.

Where exactly do you get this data from that says they have low piracy rates? There are unofficial servers for WoW that have thousands of players on them.

Stats are misleading. Nobody can say piracy rates are low for this game, or high for this game. All of those numbers are made up BS.

thousands of players on unofficial servers? whoop de doo, the official servers have >10,000,000 paying subscribers.

stats are misleading. Use percentages.

edit: meh, I was beat to the punch.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
If someone was walking in to a store, shoplifting a game to bring it home and pirate it, then returning the package to the store should they not face criminal charges? We already do throw pirates in jail, just as we do shoplifters. If they were both enforced in a similar matter then we would see software piracy decline.

There is a VERY, VERY big difference between theft and piracy.

When we're talking about theft, the victim is deprived of something tangible. When someone shoplifts, theyre taking a physical item away from a store, that it otherwise would have sold.

Piracy involves copying, not taking. The publishers are not *definitively* deprived of anything concrete with piracy, merely the *potential* of a sale.

Whether or not you think they're morally equivalent and deserve the same punishment is certainly open to debate, and they're certainly very similar in many ways, but they are definitely NOT the same thing.

Now if someone were to pirate with the intention of distributing illegal copies for their own profit, thats quite a different story.

 

[Sureshot324]

Unreal Tournament 3 was released around the same time as Crysis and it sold even worse than Crysis. As a result, Epic announced they would focus development on consoles, just like Crytek. With UT3 being primarily an online game, I doubt piracy was much of a factor. Both UT3 and Crysis both required some serious hardware, and both bombed. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[BenSkywalker]

There is a VERY, VERY big difference between theft and piracy.

Not really.

Piracy involves copying, not taking.

They are taking the IP. If company A comes up with the design for a revolutionary fuel type that will change the world and company B pirates the design and gets it to market first, that isn't theft? That isn't taking something? By the standard you are putting in place, it wouldn't be. As they did not steal any durable or consumable good then it does not constitute theft.

Whether or not you think they're morally equivalent and deserve the same punishment is certainly open to debate, and they're certainly very similar in many ways, but they are definitely NOT the same thing.

You are right, in any realistic sense in this world IP is FAR more valueable then any piece of good you could hope to ever steal.

Now if someone were to pirate with the intention of distributing illegal copies for their own profit, thats quite a different story.

That is exactly what pirates do- they distribute an illegal copy to themselves for the purpose of reducing cost(their own profit). Your post comes across as an attempt to create a gray area, perhaps you know a pirate and don't like to think of them as a criminal, maybe not. The fact remains that they are thieves in as such they are removing intellectual property from the owners of the current rights to them without compensation. By dictionary defintion of the word, by the law, by logic or morals, no matter how you look at it pirates are thieves.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

There is a VERY, VERY big difference between theft and piracy.

Not really.

Too rushed to post the definition of piracy, which is quite different than that of theft?

2. the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc.: The record industry is beset with piracy.

They are taking the IP. If company A comes up with the design for a revolutionary fuel type that will change the world and company B pirates the design and gets it to market first, that isn't theft? That isn't taking something? By the standard you are putting in place, it wouldn't be. As they did not steal any durable or consumable good then it does not constitute theft.

Not what I said at all. The difference has nothing to do whether or not what we're talking about is physical. The situation you describe is certainly more in line with theft than piracy.

You are right, in any realistic sense in this world IP is FAR more valueable then any piece of good you could hope to ever steal.

Drawing parallels between someone downloading a game and corporate espionage is absolutely absurd, and you know as well as I do that has nothing to do with the topic.

That is exactly what pirates do- they distribute an illegal copy to themselves for the purpose of reducing cost(their own profit). Your post comes across as an attempt to create a gray area, perhaps you know a pirate and don't like to think of them as a criminal, maybe not. The fact remains that they are thieves in as such they are removing intellectual property from the owners of the current rights to them without compensation. By dictionary defintion of the word, by the law, by logic or morals, no matter how you look at it pirates are thieves.

Pirates are NOT removing IP from the owners. Theyre copying it without permission. When people download their game, that doesnt prevent the publisher from distributing it.

Its fairly obvious that you're completely irrational about this topic. No one, myself included, is defending or condoning piracy. Like I said, whether or not theyre morally equivalent is up for debate, but they are not the same action. Confusing the issue at hand is counter productive.

Piracy is bad, we all get it. I'd prefer if publishers spent less time finger pointing, and more time making a quality product. I think its absolutely absurd that the devs/pubs continue to force DRM upon paying customers, when it never has, and never will prevent piracy. Even something as simple as a CD-check is just another pointless annoyance when it is completely ineffective in preventing piracy. Stardock deserves all the credit in the world for being the first company to seem to realize this.

 

[miniMUNCH]

A lot of future PC and console games are going to involve communication with a server while playing the game (like MMO's).

A lot of people won't like it... but when the whole PC and console industry does it consumers won't have a choice... except don't buy any blockbuster games.

 

[AstroManLuca]

It's people like BenSkywalker and other "my way or the highway" extremists that make the majority of gamers so dismissive of the problems caused by piracy. Extremism, in either direction, is a divisive and negative force.

Can you really blame people? The extreme anti-piracy fundamentalists are constantly going around chastising everyone who isn't them for not being righteous enough and for not subscribing to their idea that each and every act of downloading media from file sharing networks, regardless of any mitigating circumstances, is a jail-worthy sin. The extremists on the other end of things would be people who openly encourage piracy for whatever reason, and they're just as bad if not worse, but at least they won't show up here because they'd get banned.

(note the bolded words?remind you of any other group of fundamentalist extremists who are constantly alienating the very people they're trying to "save"?)

But seriously: do you think you'll get anywhere with that stance? What if someone buys a game and has major difficulty using it because of a DRM scheme? What if someone downloads a game that was provided without a demo and chooses to go out and buy it anyway? The fact is that there are gray areas, and just because some people realize that doesn't mean they're advocating piracy.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

There is a VERY, VERY big difference between theft and piracy.

Not really.

Piracy involves copying, not taking.

They are taking the IP. If company A comes up with the design for a revolutionary fuel type that will change the world and company B pirates the design and gets it to market first, that isn't theft? That isn't taking something? By the standard you are putting in place, it wouldn't be. As they did not steal any durable or consumable good then it does not constitute theft.

Whether or not you think they're morally equivalent and deserve the same punishment is certainly open to debate, and they're certainly very similar in many ways, but they are definitely NOT the same thing.

You are right, in any realistic sense in this world IP is FAR more valueable then any piece of good you could hope to ever steal.

Now if someone were to pirate with the intention of distributing illegal copies for their own profit, thats quite a different story.

That is exactly what pirates do- they distribute an illegal copy to themselves for the purpose of reducing cost(their own profit). Your post comes across as an attempt to create a gray area, perhaps you know a pirate and don't like to think of them as a criminal, maybe not. The fact remains that they are thieves in as such they are removing intellectual property from the owners of the current rights to them without compensation. By dictionary defintion of the word, by the law, by logic or morals, no matter how you look at it pirates are thieves.

Reread your post.

Let it soak in...

Now think about what you typed logically.