Crytek says they will not longer be pc exclusive

[Eeezee]

I think he's using some pretty shitty logic.

They'll make a lot more money by also releasing on consoles. Is that not enough reason to distribute on both? Why would you exclusively design for just one platform anyway?

 

[bamacre]

If piracy is such a problem, what else can the developers do? DRM doesn't work. Steam may work to a point. What could we as the actual paying customers do? We suffer just as the developers do, with fewer good games, and poorer games due to smaller budgets.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
While people do pirate on the console side, its much harder to do and involves modifying the hardware. Something lots of people will not do.

Hardly, Xbox 360 simply requires a firmware flash of the ROM drive. DS simply requires something you can buy on thousands of sites around the net such as the R4. For the PS2 all you need is a Disc you can buy almost anywhere that loads something and then you replace it with the "Backup". Things are even easier on the Wii and the GC before it. The PS3 I don't know anything about but all you need to do is do some research and I bet its fairly simple as well.

Pirates will be pirates regardless. Even if the whole industry moved to console based systems there will always be ways to pirate games on any system no matter what. I remember that on Dreamcast all you had to do was pull up Nero, copy CD and the copied disc would play. Rent, burn, repeat. n00bs are going to have issues with cracks and keys and other stuff on the PC regardless if you feel its easier or not. Personally I think the R4 is easiest because you don't even need to look on P2P sites or anything for the ROMs, you can find them by just searching google and bam its a direct download from HTTP or FTP. Don't need to know anything about torrents or eDonkey or NNTP or anything else. Copy it to the MicroSD card and thats it, you're playing Mario Bros

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Developers blaming piracy makes me see red, I'm so sick of 'piracy' being the scapegoat for shitty devs.

Crysis is not a shitty game.

Titan Quest is not a shitty game.

Yet these games are hammered by piracy.

Two of my game dev friends have also told me that piracy is killing the PC platform, more so than PS3 or 360, by far.

One friend said they expect 80% of their PC installs to be pirated where as the number is more like 10-20% on console.

Piracy is probably more prevalent on the PC because you don't need to do anything to the hardware. Just download the torrent and there you go. I know the dreamcast could play copies without mod chips... but what about ps3, xbox, or the wii?

EDIT: oops what the OP said!

All you need to do is search, I don't know about PS3 but Xbox is so easy its stupid. Sure you can get banned on live but thats it. Wii is also so easy its painful. Pretty sure you just copy a game to a flash drive or something with a backup executable on it.

 

[Homerboy]

So says the company that got BUSTED for using pirated software to design FarCry

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Modelworks
While people do pirate on the console side, its much harder to do and involves modifying the hardware. Something lots of people will not do.

Hardly, Xbox 360 simply requires a firmware flash of the ROM drive. DS simply requires something you can buy on thousands of sites around the net such as the R4. For the PS2 all you need is a Disc you can buy almost anywhere that loads something and then you replace it with the "Backup". Things are even easier on the Wii and the GC before it. The PS3 I don't know anything about but all you need to do is do some research and I bet its fairly simple as well.

Pirates will be pirates regardless. Even if the whole industry moved to console based systems there will always be ways to pirate games on any system no matter what. I remember that on Dreamcast all you had to do was pull up Nero, copy CD and the copied disc would play. Rent, burn, repeat. n00bs are going to have issues with cracks and keys and other stuff on the PC regardless if you feel its easier or not. Personally I think the R4 is easiest because you don't even need to look on P2P sites or anything for the ROMs, you can find them by just searching google and bam its a direct download from HTTP or FTP. Don't need to know anything about torrents or eDonkey or NNTP or anything else. Copy it to the MicroSD card and thats it, you're playing Mario Bros

Which brings up the idea of free games for everyone, and developers making their money via in-game advertising.

Maybe Jack Carver wears a GAP shirt, Levi's jeans. GTA has a McDonald's and a Burger King.

But where does that leave games like Crysis or Call of Duty, where product and brand placement are much more difficult to place.

There has to be a way to cut down piracy to a level of insignificance. I don't think DRM is the answer, and I would not want flat out commercials that interrupt game play in the same manner as they interrupt our favorite TV shows.

 

[Modeps]

Didn't Crytek get caught for massive piracy early on in their existance?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Modeps
Didn't Crytek get caught for massive piracy early on in their existence?

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Crytek, the German developer behind the highly anticipated first-person shooter Far Cry, has been raided by police on a tip-off regarding the use of pirated software. The offices of the games company were raided on Wednesday morning by Bavarian police accompanied by computer experts. The police also raided the home of the company's director in an attempt to find evidence to prove the claims. The tip-off was made by a former employee of the company who has not been named. If found guilty the company could face fines in the 6-figure range.

How very ironic....

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Modelworks
While people do pirate on the console side, its much harder to do and involves modifying the hardware. Something lots of people will not do.

Hardly, Xbox 360 simply requires a firmware flash of the ROM drive. DS simply requires something you can buy on thousands of sites around the net such as the R4. For the PS2 all you need is a Disc you can buy almost anywhere that loads something and then you replace it with the "Backup". Things are even easier on the Wii and the GC before it. The PS3 I don't know anything about but all you need to do is do some research and I bet its fairly simple as well.

Pirates will be pirates regardless. Even if the whole industry moved to console based systems there will always be ways to pirate games on any system no matter what. I remember that on Dreamcast all you had to do was pull up Nero, copy CD and the copied disc would play. Rent, burn, repeat. n00bs are going to have issues with cracks and keys and other stuff on the PC regardless if you feel its easier or not. Personally I think the R4 is easiest because you don't even need to look on P2P sites or anything for the ROMs, you can find them by just searching google and bam its a direct download from HTTP or FTP. Don't need to know anything about torrents or eDonkey or NNTP or anything else. Copy it to the MicroSD card and thats it, you're playing Mario Bros

Which brings up the idea of free games for everyone, and developers making their money via in-game advertising.

Maybe Jack Carver wears a GAP shirt, Levi's jeans. GTA has a McDonald's and a Burger King.

But where does that leave games like Crysis or Call of Duty, where product and brand placement are much more difficult to place.

There has to be a way to cut down piracy to a level of insignificance. I don't think DRM is the answer, and I would not want flat out commercials that interrupt game play in the same manner as they interrupt our favorite TV shows.

I completely agree with your view on advertising, and for those games that it wouldn't work as well for I think we need to think of something. DRM doesn't work, simple. It hinders everyday people and the techno saavy are still going to get around it.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Modeps
Didn't Crytek get caught for massive piracy early on in their existence?

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Crytek, the German developer behind the highly anticipated first-person shooter Far Cry, has been raided by police on a tip-off regarding the use of pirated software. The offices of the games company were raided on Wednesday morning by Bavarian police accompanied by computer experts. The police also raided the home of the company's director in an attempt to find evidence to prove the claims. The tip-off was made by a former employee of the company who has not been named. If found guilty the company could face fines in the 6-figure range.

How very ironic....

Thats just not even funny. Sure its OK for them to do it, and now that they're a rich powerful company they will just switch to consoles to get even more rich and powerful.

Thanks for the info though, I didn't know this

 

[Stoneburner]

Crysis was the funs! I dont' know why people hate it. It's like those highly critical peoples who bash jason statham movies because they aren't "meaningful."

As for the game not making money, I don't believe any pc game outside of Sims and WOW have sold at the same level as console games. Were they really expecting halo 3 sales?

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Crysis was the funs! I dont' know why people hate it. It's like those highly critical peoples who bash jason statham movies because they aren't "meaningful."

As for the game not making money, I don't believe any pc game outside of Sims and WOW have sold at the same level as console games. Were they really expecting halo 3 sales?

I for one think Crysis and more importanly, the Sandbox2 Editor, was one hell of a milestone for PC gaming, and gaming in general. I'm a PC Gamer, but video games are video games, regardless of the format, and if Crytek needs to sell on consoles to keep going and creating things like the Sandbox, then Crytek, please do so.

Anybody heard about the Zelda Mod for the Sandbox?? good stuff.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Which brings up the idea of free games for everyone, and developers making their money via in-game advertising.

http://www.quakelive.com/

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Developers blaming piracy makes me see red, I'm so sick of 'piracy' being the scapegoat for shitty devs.

And I'm so sick of you discounting it and instead blaming it on the product being shitty. But of course you think everything is shitty, which justifies your position that pirating is acceptable. Big surprise. :roll:

Sorry, I only buy games that don't suck. I'll try to lower my standards so i can be happy with every piece of shit game that comes out like you.

 

[gorcorps]

The best way to make a game 'harder' to pirate is make the multiplayer something worth buying. While it's fairly easy to pirate PC games it's a lot harder to play online with a pirated version. When you make good single player games like Crysis and Titan Quest that's what will happen. I'm not saying they should stop making single player focused games, but don't be surprised when it's pirated.

 

[Maleficus]

Agreed to an extent gorcorps. simple cd-key account creation = piracy gone. No group tries to crack online gameplay either, that isn't the point of piracy.

Also single players games are successful... when they don't suck. Look at Max Payne 1/2, awesome games that sold well. the CRPG also did well for itself with icewind dale/planescape/baldurs gate. Single Player is alive and kicking, people have just stopped making quality products.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Developers blaming piracy makes me see red, I'm so sick of 'piracy' being the scapegoat for shitty devs.

Crysis is not a shitty game.

Titan Quest is not a shitty game.

Yet these games are hammered by piracy.

Two of my game dev friends have also told me that piracy is killing the PC platform, more so than PS3 or 360, by far.

One friend said they expect 80% of their PC installs to be pirated where as the number is more like 10-20% on console.

An even better example that substantiates those numbers is COD4, which I believe was another title where the Devs complained about piracy on the PC. Activision boasted COD4 was the #1 selling video game of 2007 with 7 million copies sold for all platforms (360, PS3, PC) and a few days later, NPD releases 2007 PC sales figures and COD4 barely cracks the Top 10 with @383,000 units sold... While NPD does not track digital distributions, its pretty obvious 383k retail boxes isn't quite what you would've expected after seeing 7 million and just shows its easier to download free than it is to download and type in a credit card number and actually pay....

When Devs for virtually every major title as of late complain about piracy on the PC as a serious problem, its not a smoke-screen or excuse for their product being shitty and its certainly not an excuse to pirate their titles to confirm your suspicion their titles are shitty. If you think COD4, Crysis, AC, Witcher or whatever other highly rated title isn't worth buying, only pirating and a quick play-through, you shouldn't be playing PC games period as there will never be a title you'll feel is worth buying. That makes you a pirate. As it is its pretty clear Devs are doing as that Sins of the Solar Empire Dev stated, they will not cater to the Chinese Market. In this case, the PC market is China.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Developers blaming piracy makes me see red, I'm so sick of 'piracy' being the scapegoat for shitty devs.

And I'm so sick of you discounting it and instead blaming it on the product being shitty. But of course you think everything is shitty, which justifies your position that pirating is acceptable. Big surprise. :roll:

Sorry, I only buy games that don't suck. I'll try to lower my standards so i can be happy with every piece of shit game that comes out like you.

Yup, but you'll gladly pirate and play through them to make sure they suck right? As for standards, lmao, is that like those Honor Among Thieves stickers you randomly see on dumpsters? Whatever makes you feel better about stealing buddy.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: gorcorps
The best way to make a game 'harder' to pirate is make the multiplayer something worth buying. While it's fairly easy to pirate PC games it's a lot harder to play online with a pirated version. When you make good single player games like Crysis and Titan Quest that's what will happen. I'm not saying they should stop making single player focused games, but don't be surprised when it's pirated.

Doom 3, Quake 4, and Bioshock were hit really hard with piracy for this reason. Did anyone actually buy Doom 3? It had literally thousands of torrent seeds and leeches when it was released. Bioshock was even worse since the pirated version was better than the legal version (lack of DRM). The only reason someone would buy these games is if they didn't trust the cracks, since cracks sometimes include viruses and trojans.... oh and provide support for the developers....

Online games like Half-Life, Team Fortress 2, and World of Warcraft have incredibly low piracy rates, so I'm a bit surprised that companies keep making single-player-only games like Bioshock. After seeing what happened to Doom 3, what did they think was going to happen? One would need to be a complete idiot to assume Bioshock wouldn't get pirated like crazy.

Alternatively, single player games can be sold in huge bundles to encourage people to buy. I wouldn't buy Doom 3 by itself, but I just bought Doom 3 as part of the ID Software superpack on Steam. If something like Bioshock was included as part of a software bundle or came free with a new video card, there would be a lot more legal versions floating around, and proportionally fewer pirated copies.

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Developers blaming piracy makes me see red, I'm so sick of 'piracy' being the scapegoat for shitty devs.

And I'm so sick of you discounting it and instead blaming it on the product being shitty. But of course you think everything is shitty, which justifies your position that pirating is acceptable. Big surprise. :roll:

Sorry, I only buy games that don't suck. I'll try to lower my standards so i can be happy with every piece of shit game that comes out like you.

Yup, but you'll gladly pirate and play through them to make sure they suck right? As for standards, lmao, is that like those Honor Among Thieves stickers you randomly see on dumpsters? Whatever makes you feel better about stealing buddy.

keep talking out of your ass, it almost makes you look smarter.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: gorcorps
The best way to make a game 'harder' to pirate is make the multiplayer something worth buying. While it's fairly easy to pirate PC games it's a lot harder to play online with a pirated version. When you make good single player games like Crysis and Titan Quest that's what will happen. I'm not saying they should stop making single player focused games, but don't be surprised when it's pirated.

Thats simply not true either. Quite a few multiplayer games are very easy to pirate as long as you can find a key generator. And sometimes you dont even need that. Even WoW is easy except you have to play on unofficial servers, which some people have said are getting to be quite good. Not as good as the official servers, perhaps. But very good for free and getting better all the time. CoD4, UT3. I can't think of a single game recently that has multiplayer that isn't pirateable.

Even Steam had some kind of a pirated unofficial thing where you can play TF2, CSS and all of the multiplayer games on unofficial servers. Don't know what its called.

This unofficial scene is getting bigger all the time.

 

[Red Storm]

If I were a game dev, I would fight fire with fire. If my game was nearing release, I'd "leak" out a ton of torrents that either didn't work, or were infected with trojans and the like. Yes, it's wrong, but so is pirating games. Those that do steal are ruining PC gaming for the honest folk. The "I pirate it cause there's no demo" argument is a load of crap. If you're not sure about a game, why resort to crime? Just don't play it, or wait till it's in the bargain bin. It may be just a game to you and me, but to the devs it's what puts bread on the table for them and their families.

Pirating is wrong no matter how you slice it.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Online games like Half-Life, Team Fortress 2, and World of Warcraft have incredibly low piracy rates, so I'm a bit surprised that companies keep making single-player-only games like Bioshock. After seeing what happened to Doom 3, what did they think was going to happen? One would need to be a complete idiot to assume Bioshock wouldn't get pirated like crazy.

Where exactly do you get this data from that says they have low piracy rates? There are unofficial servers for WoW that have thousands of players on them.

Stats are misleading. Nobody can say piracy rates are low for this game, or high for this game. All of those numbers are made up BS.

 

[Maleficus]

This is true AMDZen but I think it's worth pointing out that the people who contribute to 'piracy' have nothing to do with the people who take that and make online play available by cracking the server authentication (like COD4) or things such as this.

I know it's hard for some of the really simple minded individuals on here to understand, but try before you buy is truly the purpose of 'piracy'

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Developers blaming piracy makes me see red, I'm so sick of 'piracy' being the scapegoat for shitty devs.

And I'm so sick of you discounting it and instead blaming it on the product being shitty. But of course you think everything is shitty, which justifies your position that pirating is acceptable. Big surprise. :roll:

Sorry, I only buy games that don't suck. I'll try to lower my standards so i can be happy with every piece of shit game that comes out like you.

Yup, but you'll gladly pirate and play through them to make sure they suck right? As for standards, lmao, is that like those Honor Among Thieves stickers you randomly see on dumpsters? Whatever makes you feel better about stealing buddy.

keep talking out of your ass, it almost makes you look smarter.

Yes, like your comments about Titans Quest being a shitty title in a weak attempt to discredit their claim that piracy was a major factor in closing down. That kinda talkin out of your ass? You've already stated numerous times you have no problems pirating games just to make sure they suck so you don't have to buy them, so what games have you purchased in the last year (or decade)?