Crysis 2 Retail Benchmarked

[railven]

It has nothing to do with a personal attack he just understands how the world works better than you.

Of course he does. And everyone that is disagreeing with his opinion clearly doesn't.

 

[RussianSensation]

Russian, The thing about CryTEK is that their were blabbing about how easy it is for their engine to scale up and down. How easy it would be to make a cutting edge game and scale it doen to consoles and lowend PCs. IF it was so easy, why doesnt the game look anything like the tech demos? Its all BS.

In my opinion this is where they dropped the ball the most. They should just have said it will be a straight console port from the get go. We would then just focus on the gameplay and not have such high expectations for the graphics.

I also have to congradulate you on finding the worst screenshots possible for BC2.

The 5 minute video shows that the game looks almost as good on the PS3. So the 1 screenshot is just there in case you don't feel like watching that 5 minute vid. :biggrin:

How much do you think it cost Bioware to add the high res texture pack to DA2?

No idea. But look at the sales of Gears of War vs. Crytek 2 on Xbox360. To say that the game is a flop is an understatement. It looks like no amount of graphical overhaul would have helped it anyway. It seems people just don't care for the Crysis franchise that much on consoles.

Also looking at how well Halo, COD series and Legend of Zelda games sell, it's pretty obvious the majority of gamers care more about gameplay than top of the line graphics. And Crysis doesn't deliver on the gameplay front like those other games to the "average" gamer. We should still wait for that DX11 patch that NV paid for to see if the graphics improve.

BF3 will be different because its a new engine.

Well that same exact engine will be used on the consoles too. So the question is how much better will BF3 look on the PC? Based on the 12-minute video badb0y linked, the textures do not really look any better than they did in Crysis 1/2. The gameplay will be more fun (plus destructible environments are cool). The animations do look great as a result of using EA sports mechanics (but these will also be possible on consoles - so the animations are not a unique PC feature).

I mean the PC version has 64 player maps vs 24 for consoles.

Probably because consoles would slow down with more than 24 players as a result of weaker hardware.

So I think blaiming cost is nonsense.

I have read about at least 2 major developers who have expressed that they do not want next generation of consoles to arrive due to the expected additional development costs (esp. for artists and programmers). The article was on Gamespot.com, but I can't readily find it at the moment.

And you ran out of arguments. Can't win the debate, attack the opponent. Nice work

I apologize if my post sounded like a personal attack towards you. I can assure you it wasn't and wasn't intended to come off that way. We will have to revisit this thread in the Fall of 2011 to see if BF3 lived up to the "built for the PC from the ground-up" hype. I hope it does; just in time for 28nm GPU wars.

 

[badb0y]

Battlefield 3 full trailer is out:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Battlef...10891127980&kw=battlefield3#p/u/0/2zw8SmsovJc

It's basically all the Fault Line trailers combined but it's still epic.

Also EARTHQUAKE at the end= winning.

 

[railven]

Sorry to piggy back on this, I know it wasn't aimed at me.

In my opinion this is where they dropped the ball the most. They should just have said it will be a straight console port from the get go. We would then just focus on the gameplay and not have such high expectations for the graphics.

I just want to say that since it is Crytek - we'd always have high expectations for graphics. That is what they built their fame around. That is why CoD got a big black eye when they removed key features that were a staple in prior games (yes, the 2 + expansion paks.)

No idea. But look at the sales of Gears of War vs. Crytek 2 on Xbox360. To say that the game is a flop is an understatement. It looks like no amount of graphical overhaul would have helped it anyway. It seems people just don't care for the Crysis franchise that much on consoles.

Thank you, I'm glad someone else sees/thinks this aside me. This is another reason why it is such a shame that Crytek turned their back on the core audience that would have bought their game. The console guys have their fill in the FPS category, Crysis was our game (just like CoD, and look how the legendary IW ended up - broken up and fighting lawsuits.)

Probably because consoles would slow down with more than 24 players as a result of weaker hardware.

Just to chime in on this - depends on the game and engine ( a true test fo Scaling.) Games such as MAG have up to 64vs64 and other games like Frontlines have 32vs32 on consoles. But from everything I've heard/read (I haven't played these games myself) they took a cut in visuals as the games look flat or lack textures where normally other games would. They have a thin line of resources to balance (again, a good testament to an engine that can scale.)

I have read about at least 2 major developers who have expressed that they do not want next generation of consoles to arrive due to the expected additional development costs (esp. for artists and programmers). The article was on Gamespot.com, but I can't readily find it at the moment.

There are tons of devs that shut down. The industry changed. It is no longer run by the enthusiast/hobbyist. It is now run by the every day person who probably doesn't care about gaming. It started with the PS2 and how shovel ware was implemented. Take the DS, the popularity of Facebook games (Social network games), etc and suddenly gaming is a mainstream marketable business. Billions to made, billions to be lost, and everyone wants a slice of the pie (ties into my earlier rant about consolers and how they accepted the terms and screwed a lot of us haha) so as you said, devs are catering to the bigger piece of finacial pie. Doesn't change that they sold out (I know you don't like that) but in the end it didn't save some of them from closing down (Bizarre Creations anyone? Ensemble?).

This generation of "gamer" seem to focus more on achievements, who has the most fame, and etc. Call of Duty now isn't as fun as it use to be (for me at least.) majority of people playing it are a-holes more set on griefing than enjoying a good match.

I apologize if my post sounded like a person attack towards you. I can assure you it wasn't and wasn't intended to come off that way. We will have to revisit this thread in the Fall of 2011 to see if BF3 lived up to the "built for the PC from the ground-up" hype. I hope it does; just in time for 28nm GPU wars.

It's cool. I follow gaming closely (my longest running hobby next to PCs) and it just sucks seeing how big suits slowly destroyed a once venerable hobby. I've said it before, it's like the movie industry. How many a-list celebrities can we cram into the game, how many bullet points can we have, explosions, now Bioware had a controversial sex scene - everyone and their moms is running that thin line to be histper. Add to it the political stress from suddenly gaming turns people into murders, etc etc.

Haha.

I need a chill pill

EDIT: I just want to acknowledge it isn't all about the graphics for me. I still have buckets of fun playing NSMB:Wii with the GF and friends. Gameplay is still the core for most part, but Crysis never really had good gameplay - it was literally a epeen wag of a game "look how great our code looks" and that's what we all bought it as. The "can it run Crysis" started from this. Now, we're all looking at Crysis 2 and a five year old 8800 GT can run it on High without breaking a sweat.

 

[finbarqs]

Dude BF3 is still ages away! There's still a whole summer we gotta get through!

 

[Makaveli]

Of course he does. And everyone that is disagreeing with his opinion clearly doesn't.

Roger that boss.

Simple common sense and I understand his point and the reasoning without even going into detail maybe you should try it.

 

[Aristotelian]

Also looking at how well Halo, COD series and Legend of Zelda games sell, it's pretty obvious the majority of gamers care more about gameplay than top of the line graphics. And Crysis doesn't deliver on the gameplay front like those other games to the "average" gamer. We should still wait for that DX11 patch that NV paid for to see if the graphics improve.

I think you're hitting the nail on the head. So many people in PC Gaming complained about the graphics (some in this forum too), but as flashy as graphics can be, it is a game's being fun that motivates people to buy it. Personally, I found Crysis 2 to be quite fun, though a little short. I also thought it was very good looking in parts, and in others quite terrible. I'm not optimistic that the DX11 patch will do much for the game (and I'm guessing it'll take them a while to release it to ensure that it does much of anything at all).

Well that same exact engine will be used on the consoles too. So the question is how much better will BF3 look on the PC? Based on the 12-minute video badb0y linked, the textures do not really look any better than they did in Crysis 1/2. The gameplay will be more fun (plus destructible environments are cool). The animations do look great as a result of using EA sports mechanics (but these will also be possible on consoles - so the animations are not a unique PC feature).

I quote this to relate it to your previous bit. If you check the BF3 thread in PC Gaming you'll find a number of posters saying "wow! finally a reason to upgrade!" Some claim that the graphics are amazing (I'm with you on this one. To me they look marginally better than Crysis 2 if better at all. How many Crysis 2 car snapshots did we see? The white one in the video looks like an untextured piece of flat plastic!). But I think that these people are simply invested in the franchise. They find BF games 'fun', and are thus able to overlook graphical problems where they see them.

Regarding PC vs Consoles, I think that developers are simply going to try to look for the best of both worlds. How many computers are there in the world that could have played the 'unmitigated' version of Crysis 2 (designed for future PCs and so on), and how many of those computer owners would be interested in Crysis 2 anyway? So the company makes the game easier with respect to hardware requirements and also console friendly - thereby appealing to a wider audience. I expect that this convergence (games being developed to grab both gaming markets) will simply grow stronger over time.

 

[railven]

Roger that boss.

Simple common sense and I understand his point and the reasoning without even going into detail maybe you should try it.

Hey, I never said I didn't understand his reasoning. I just don't agree with it.

But thanks for questioning my intelligence based on opposing opinions. Glad we could have this chat.

 

[-Slacker-]

So when is the patch coming out? I remember something about 6 months, but I'm not sure...

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Dude BF3 is still ages away! There's still a whole summer we gotta get through!

Bf2 multiplayer + nvidia 3D = win
Fall it's time to make the transition to BF3 + Skip cryport 2 completely =win

 

[RussianSensation]

Bf2 multiplayer + nvidia 3D = win
Fall it's time to make the transition to BF3 + Skip cryport 2 completely =win

Portal 2, Dirt 3, FEAR 3, Duke Nukem Forever, Call of Juarez the Cartel, Deus Ex Human Revolution and RAGE should all come out before BF3 :thumbsup:

 

[OCGuy]

Battlefield 3 full trailer is out:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Battlef...10891127980&kw=battlefield3#p/u/0/2zw8SmsovJc

It's basically all the Fault Line trailers combined but it's still epic.

Also EARTHQUAKE at the end= winning.

The game looks GREAT....

 

[Grooveriding]

Portal 2, Dirt 3, FEAR 3, Duke Nukem Forever, Call of Juarez the Cartel, Deus Ex Human Revolution and RAGE should all come out before BF3 :thumbsup:

Looking forward to some of those. Rage and Portal 2 mostly, have my portal 2 preload waiting to unlock. Fear 3 I have little hope for after the mess that 2 was. CoJ and DNF look promising as well.

Early looks at Deus Ex were showing it has been completely consolized. I thought it was going to be joining Cryport 2 in the dust bin. But it looks like the developers are wanting to add the option to remove the features that will make it for the console crowd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c31PhzVwnfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_LcUiJbjLA

 

[Makaveli]

Hey, I never said I didn't understand his reasoning. I just don't agree with it.

But thanks for questioning my intelligence based on opposing opinions. Glad we could have this chat.

Just wanted to see if you understood where he was coming from. I was never concerned about your intelligence.

 

[railven]

Just wanted to see if you understood where he was coming from. I was never concerned about your intelligence.

Roger that boss.

Next time trying ask, rather assuming.

 

[Lonbjerg]

The game looks GREAT....

Not really...

 

[Aristotelian]

Not really...

Yeah. I simply don't understand how the graphics from that video can be considered 'great' while so many consider Crysis 2 to be 'ugly'.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Yeah. I simply don't understand how the graphics from that video can be considered 'great' while so many consider Crysis 2 to be 'ugly'.

People are ignorant it seems.

All it takes is some bad "hollywood"-style scripted gameplay and a few explosion and people get a booner....mindboogling.

And don't even get me started on the awefull A.I. and weapons damage...

 

[toyota]

People are ignorant it seems.

All it takes is some bad "hollywood"-style scripted gameplay and a few explosion and people get a booner....mindboogling.

And don't even get me started on the awefull A.I. and weapons damage...

booner? mindboogling? awefull? lol, what browser does not contain a simple spell check?

 

[Lonbjerg]

booner? mindboogling? awefull? lol, what browser does not contain a simple spell check?

Did you have anything relevant to add?

 

[toyota]

Did you have anything relevant to add?

no, I was just messing with you. I certainly do not use proper grammar but I just don't see how you misspell so many words so often. spell check is on any browser I have used in the last several years so unless something is different over there I just don't get it.

back on topic, I do agree with you though if that matters.

 

[Skurge]

Portal 2, Dirt 3, FEAR 3, Duke Nukem Forever, Call of Juarez the Cartel, Deus Ex Human Revolution and RAGE should all come out before BF3 :thumbsup:

i think DIRT3 and F1 2011 will be the best looking games this year. I know you say dirt2 doesnt look much better in dx11 than dx9. But thats like saying a 911 turbo S is no better than a regular 911 turbo. Small improvements that by themselves would otherwise be unoticed, make quite a big difference. Better shadows, better lighting, better reflections, more subtle motion blur, SSAO and full resolution post-proccesing refine the already brilliant effects that the ego engine is capable of. And yes i do notice it when im driving. And no, i dont suck.

 

[RussianSensation]

I know you say dirt2 doesnt look much better in dx11 than dx9. But thats like saying a 911 turbo S is no better than a regular 911 turbo. ....full resolution post-proccesing refine the already brilliant effects that the ego engine is capable of.

Just the other day I ran Dirt 2 benches on my card, everything maxed, except post processing. This 1 setting alone drops my framerates ~10% by going from Medium to High. I can't tell the difference whatsoever visually! Yet with Medium post-processing, I am above 60 fps minimum as opposed to dipping into 50s; and that makes a huge difference. I would probably need dual HD6970s to max that game out for 60 fps min. :thumbsup:

 

[yacoub]

Roger that boss.

Simple common sense and I understand his point and the reasoning without even going into detail maybe you should try it.

Relax. railven has a valid argument and is making valid points as well. At worst, they're talking past each other. They both have opinions and in this case they are both correct in a lot of what they're saying.

Btw, at least if BF3 is terrible for some reason (hopefully not), at least we can always watch the 12-minute trailer and reminisce about when we thought it would 0wn.

 

[Skurge]

Just the other day I ran Dirt 2 benches on my card, everything maxed, except post processing. This 1 setting alone drops my framerates ~10% by going from Medium to High. I can't tell the difference whatsoever visually! Yet with Medium post-processing, I am above 60 fps minimum as opposed to dipping into 50s; and that makes a huge difference. I would probably need dual HD6970s to max that game out for 60 fps min. :thumbsup:

have you tried ultra? But i see a difference. I guess i just notice it more. I dont think you need 60fps minimum for that game. I demand 60fps for my gtr evo, bt i find half that very playable in f1 2010.