Cremation incident in restaurant – Over Reacted?

[classy]

LOL

What whack jobs walk around with an urn and then decide to bring it into a public restaurant? Give me a break. Quite frankly the manager should have declined their entry even without anyone saying anything. Its a place to eat, not Club Dead where you eat and weep with your dead loved ones in an urn. The people were ignorant to even do such a thing. I am sorry for their lost, but I don't wanna look over at her burned up ass either.

 

[randay]

you overreacted, and you are interrupting these peoples mourning process. unless they were spreading the ashes in the restaurant i dont see a problem. maybe you should stop eaves dropping on other peoples conversations.

 

[waggy]

LOL

What whack jobs walk around with an urn and then decide to bring it into a public restaurant? Give me a break. Quite frankly the manager should have declined their entry even without anyone saying anything. Its a place to eat, not Club Dead where you eat and weep with your dead loved ones in an urn. The people were ignorant to even do such a thing. I am sorry for their lost, but I don't wanna look over at her burned up ass either.

then don't look?

how is it really effecting you? as others have said teh ribs on the plate hold more danger then the damn urn.

 

[AlienCraft]

LOL....how did I miss this thread?


just clarification from someone who has a ServSafe cert...not that it means much, however. Also, in my former line of work, I dealt with hazardous material.

1. Ashes from remains are not Hazardous. Remains or articles with residue from remains that have not been cremated or treated are.

2. An OPEN urn IN THE KITCHEN is a health code violation. Any nonfood item cannot be be risked to exposure to food. In fact, even certain foods themselves must be enclosed when not in use to prevent cross contamination. An urn in the dining area is not a violation.

Hey, it means enough that you can prepare and serve food and charge people for it.:thumbsup: Used to be anybody could go behind a counter with some pans and fry up god- only-knows and call themselves a "cook".

 

[MiniDoom]

it's applebees, not mortons. I could see if some dude was sitting in ruths chris everyday with an urn, but once at applebees? who gives a shit.

 

[TheNinja]

That was a d!ck move man. These people just wanted to give their mother one last trip to her favorite places in their mind anyway. I don't believe their mother's ashes cared 2 $hits where it was traveling b/c it's just a bunch of ashes with no soul or spirit left in it. Besides it's just a bunch of ashes, it's not like they were sneaking it into your food or that there was a ghost or a spirit in the urn.

 

[MarkXIX]

Funniest part of the whole thread is where SlickSnake says his location is.

 

[guyver01]

Here's some more fuel for the fire.

http://gothamist.com/2011/01/17/pouring_ashes_down_subway_grate_not.php

We're told by the city Health Department that human ashes are not regulated by Health Code because "once human remains are cremated the ashes are not human remains." A spokeswoman told us, "Ashes do not constitute a health hazard and are no longer in the Health Department's jurisdiction,"

Here's a crematorium worker cleaning the cremator... if it was so hazardous.. where's his environment suit?

 

[lupi]

what an epic beatdown.

 

[MotionMan]

what an epic beatdown.

Two-for-one in this thread.

MotionMan

 

[PieIsAwesome]

You need to go back and re-read what I originally asked. YOU are wrong.

"Does anyone else have an issue with eating next to a dead body in an urn or do people regularly take their cremated ashes with them to restaurants?"

Ashes =! dead body.

Why is this so hard to understand?

EDIT: From Guyver's post:

We're told by the city Health Department that human ashes are not regulated by Health Code because "once human remains are cremated the ashes are not human remains." A spokeswoman told us, "Ashes do not constitute a health hazard and are no longer in the Health Department's jurisdiction,"

 

[CZroe]

LOL

What whack jobs walk around with an urn and then decide to bring it into a public restaurant? Give me a break. Quite frankly the manager should have declined their entry even without anyone saying anything. Its a place to eat, not Club Dead where you eat and weep with your dead loved ones in an urn. The people were ignorant to even do such a thing. I am sorry for their lost, but I don't wanna look over at her burned up ass either.

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Here's some more fuel for the fire.

http://gothamist.com/2011/01/17/pouring_ashes_down_subway_grate_not.php



Here's a crematorium worker cleaning the cremator... if it was so hazardous.. where's his environment suit?

SS, can you please contact the city and let them know that the man in the picture is breathing in biohazardous human ashes and that he'll soon end-up like his customers!!!! Oh, the outrage!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Taejin]

idk, i wouldn't like people bringing in human remains where I'm eating, cremated or otherwise. seems tactless, distasteful and inappropriate.

 

[WelshBloke]

I bet you could make a wicked pizza in there.

 

[busydude]

I bet you could make a wicked pizza in there.

My thoughts as well. .. I think I'll burn in hell.

 

[Howard]

I bet you could make a wicked pizza in there.

That was the idealogy circa 1940s...

 

[classy]

Obvious troll is obvious.

Dude its straight bullshit to bring a cremated person into a public place to eat. If you wanna eat with her remains you can do it in the privacy of your own home. It was tasteless and they deserved to be shown the door. Give me a fin break..........

 

[Ichinisan]

Dude its straight bullshit to bring a cremated person into a public place to eat. If you wanna eat with her remains you can do it in the privacy of your own home. It was tasteless and they deserved to be shown the door. Give me a fin break..........

I don't think it's "tasteless" at all. Simply unusual. You can't explain why you have this irrational belief.

 

[classy]

I don't think it's "tasteless" at all. Simply unusual. You can't explain why you have this irrational belief.

Its not irrational. No one needs to eat with someone's dead mother's ashes. That is not irrational, that's rational.

 

[Zeze]

Dude its straight bullshit to bring a cremated person into a public place to eat. If you wanna eat with her remains you can do it in the privacy of your own home. It was tasteless and they deserved to be shown the door. Give me a fin break..........

It's contained in a god damn URN. They're not gonna febreze that shit in the air for you to inhale, nor pepper the urn in your shitty Applebee's food.

Chemically speaking, it's just a ground-up, inferno-torched dust which is 100x sanitary than a bag of sand. Would you throw a hissy fit if I walked in with a bag of sand?

 

[Howard]

Its not irrational. No one needs to eat with someone's dead mother's ashes. That is not irrational, that's rational.

Yes, freedom in a free country is quite rational.

 

[Ichinisan]

Its not irrational. No one needs to eat with someone's dead mother's ashes. That is not irrational, that's rational.

It's irrational. The urn sitting on their table does not affect you. If you are uncomfortable, you are irrational. If you don't believe you are irrational, you are also delusional.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Its not irrational. No one needs to eat with someone's dead mother's ashes. That is not irrational, that's rational.

You're going to probably freak out that people have requested and have had their ashes spread all around this country/world. My guess is any public attraction has had ashes spread.

I know Fenway Park allows human ashes to be spread on the field. Who knows, maybe the woman had been hospitalized for a long time and her family wanted to give her the opportunity to visit her favorite places, one last time.

It doesn't affect you in one single way.

 

[DrPizza]

Well, upon urging from SlickSnake, I searched for cremated remains and hazardous materials and came up empty.

What I did find is that cremated remains are NOT considered hazardous materials by the USPS and can be mailed anywhere, anytime. It is considered a restricted material vs. a hazardous material, but only because of the various states' requirements for delivery only to the "authorizing agent" who is responsible for authorizing the remains to be cremated in the first place....family member, etc.

Now, while I didn't search every single state, I did get North Carolina, Oregon, Utah and Montana, and in none of those states are remains considered hazardous.

What they do speak to over and over are inclusions within the body that may be hazardous....pacemakers and the like. Other than that, no mention of the remains, after complete cremation, having to be considered hazardous, which is the subject here. I have noticed SS is mixing the requirements for cremation and what's being talked about....when the relatives receive the cremated remains, two completely different subjects.

Oregon, interestingly, has addressed scattering of remains.

Parts are quoted here:

OREGON MORTUARY AND CEMETERY BOARD
NOTICE
TO: INTERESTED PARTIES
FROM: DAVID KOACH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
DATE: JULY 26, 2007
SUBJECT: SCATTERING CREMATED HUMAN REMAINS


Processed cremated human remains, sometimes called ashes, are a sanitary natural substance. There are no specific statutory restrictions on scattering cremated remains. Oregon law is silent on the matter. The only applicable administrative rule provides that when cremated remains are scattered by a funeral home, as opposed to the family, the ID tag must be made part of the funeral home's permanent record.

Although there are state and federal land, air and water pollution standards, such environmental quality laws make no specific mention of cremated remains - which are just the mineral content of bone that is not consumed in the cremation process. Once processed to remove metal and reduce bone fragments to unrecognizable dimensions, cremated remains are for all intents and purposes non-toxic, non-hazardous, non-polluting.

From this .pdf: http://www.oregon.gov/MortCem/Consumer_Information/Scattering.pdf?ga=t



Kinda says what the majority are saying.....absolutely no danger, no toxicity, nothing. Even the EPA doesn't classifly remains as toxic, and the USPS doesn't classify remains as hazardous, either.

Onus is on SlickSnake to now back up his version of reality.

Amazingly, SlickSnake stopped posting after this. Slicksnake stopped addressing the health department issue after I posted my proof that he was talking out his ass as well. So, I've quoted this post, just in case he was thinking we'd have forgotten it and he can come back now and ignore it.