Country allegedly on course to ruin democracy.

[SteveGrabowski]

So? November is a long ways away and the dems (if they are smart) have a laundry list of things they will start releasing as the elections near. Exposing these traitors now would be playing into their hands. There were crimes committed by members of congress and the sitting President. These will be presented soon enough. Even the dems can't fuck this up. They surely need a better PR department. I will grant you that.

The Democrats aren't smart and they easily can fuck this up.

 

[soundforbjt]

The Democrats aren't smart and they easily can fuck this up.

They’re smart, just not vicious enough and lack the messaging skills of the republicans.

 

[fleshconsumed]

I can't work out if that's deliberate irony (on Rand Paul's part) or if he actually means that. If he means it sincerely it's utterly bizarre. I would hope it was tongue-in-cheek, like my past complaints about England being knocked out of the World cup by dastardly foreigners employing the underhand, cheating, tactic of 'being better at football than England is'.

Oh, he really wholeheartedly means it. It's crystal clear if you ever paid attention to Rand Paul's antics over the years, the man is as dumb as Ted Cruz is unlikable.

Yea, but let's post 1000 words of bullshit hand waiving minority rule away and claim that's the way the founding fathers intended it, totally because the party I'm biased towards gets the benefits of such undemocratic provisions.

Technically founding fathers did intend minority rule. Black? Can't vote. Woman? Can't vote. Do you own land? No? Can't vote. Which is why we shouldn't put founding fathers on the pedestal like we currently do. The men were just as fallible as the rest of us, there is nothing wrong with admitting mistakes and using past experiences to better ourselves.

 

[VashHT]

Oh, he really wholeheartedly means it. It's crystal clear if you ever paid attention to Rand Paul's antics over the years, the man is as dumb as Ted Cruz is unlikable.


Technically founding fathers did intend minority rule. Black? Can't vote. Woman? Can't vote. Do you own land? No? Can't vote. Which is why we shouldn't put founding fathers on the pedestal like we currently do. The men were just as fallible as the rest of us, there is nothing wrong with admitting mistakes and using past experiences to better ourselves.

Yeah, in my mind we should be working towards the ideals they proclaimed, they definitely didn't follow them very well themselves. I think Washington was quite against "common" people voting at all, which would have just set up a new aristocracy here that controls everything.