Country allegedly on course to ruin democracy.

[IronWing]

Country allegedly on course to ruin democracy.

Country ruined music, why not democracy?

 

[HomerJS]

Beyond the small percentage of people who understand how we got here and where we are going, noone gives a shit. We are decades away from crap getting bad enough that the majority of people get pissed and hit the streets. Hopefully, it doesn't end up like Germany in the 30's.

Liberals have this flaw that makes them think that facts will sway the minds of "the other side" and that the "system/process works". Democratic leaders won't see the shit storm for how bad it is until it is too late. They will not change course.

The US population is the proverbial frog in a pot of water. Things will need to be really bad on a daily basis for them to react. No amount of political activism will get the dumbfucks to go out and vote the shitheads out of office

Unless the leaders take a different approach (i.e fuck Manchin), we are on a slow slide towards some bad shit. Your grandkids need to be ready for revolt.

Shorty needs to remove the word "allegedly" from the OP.

What you are saying, Dems have to learn how to lie and play hardball to fix things. On the latter I agree. Example when those fucks refuse to comply with subpoenas by the Jan 6 committee, Democrats after filing contempt should immediately invoke inherent contempt. They already have that power affirmed by SCOTUS. It allows the arrest and jailing of the perps.

As to the former the facts should be enough if Democrats punch Republicans in their fucking faces with it, but they keep bringing marshmallows to a gun fight.

 

[Muse]

Beyond the small percentage of people who understand how we got here and where we are going, noone gives a shit. We are decades away from crap getting bad enough that the majority of people get pissed and hit the streets. Hopefully, it doesn't end up like Germany in the 30's.

Liberals have this flaw that makes them think that facts will sway the minds of "the other side" and that the "system/process works". Democratic leaders won't see the shit storm for how bad it is until it is too late. They will not change course.

The US population is the proverbial frog in a pot of water. Things will need to be really bad on a daily basis for them to react. No amount of political activism will get the dumbfucks to go out and vote the shitheads out of office

Unless the leaders take a different approach (i.e fuck Manchin), we are on a slow slide towards some bad shit. Your grandkids need to be ready for revolt.

I just received this book. I think you have to prepare for collapse. It's inevitable. The question is what will you/we do? I'm talking about the first book below. The 2nd, I read a few years ago, but the title says a lot.

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[trenchfoot]

It's not that the country is on course to ruin democracy, it's that the radical nutjobs from the Repub faction of the nation have taken the party hostage while the hostages don't think they're hostages at all because these hostages are wanting to take the rest of the nation hostage in order to have their fascist radicals lead the nation into a state of panic and chaos, the better to seize control of it.

In the meantime the Dems are trying to hold the Repubs off from seizing control but there's a couple of Dems in the party that's doing a hostage taking of their very own, holding the whole Dem party hostage for no other reason than they want to hold on to their seats in Congress by appeasing their fellow corporate club members.

 

[iRONic]

I agree with everything in that post except the "decades" part. Unfortunetly I think it might be before that...

 

[sportage]

I honestly don't think the sky is falling. The vast majority of Americans do not agree with the GOP's two top ticket items right now. Killing Roe v Wade and gutting voting rights.

Oh yeah?
Then why do those Americans consistently vote for the bad guys?
It's become so incredibility insane.
Everyone is predicting a democrat party massacre come 2022, and Biden is blamed for everything, and the bar has been raised far beyond what was expected of Trump. Remember? When Trump started speaking we had no idea what insanity would come out of his mouth. Or the time Trump gassed the peaceful protesters then Trump marched holding the bible upside down. Oh how the people forget.

Republicans are very good at injecting into an election just the right dividing point. Like with the Virginia Governors race, Youngkin should have never won that race, however republicans found the key to a win.... the schools. Pitting parents against schools was all it took for republicans to take that race. And the same tactics will be used by republicans in every race coming up in 2022. Republicans will find that one dividing issue and split the vote into their favor. In one state it may be the parents vs the schools, in another state vaccine mandates, and in another state the economy or Afghanistan or covid test kits. Whatever it is, the Republicans will use it to win and win and win again in 2022.
While the democrats won't know what the hell happened.

Yes, even with women's rights and abortion rights and the Supreme Court, even if the majority of voters are on the side of choice, the pro choice democrat candidate will lose to the pro life republican candidate not because of abortion but over schools or mandates or Afghanistan because the republican candidate will change the subject from abortion to schools vs parents or mandates or something obscure as Afghanistan. Ding Ding Ding we have a winner, and he or she is a republican.

 

[Greenman]

Oh yeah?
Then why do those Americans consistently vote for the bad guys?
It's become so incredibility insane.
Everyone is predicting a democrat party massacre come 2022, and Biden is blamed for everything, and the bar has been raised far beyond what was expected of Trump. Remember? When Trump started speaking we had no idea what insanity would come out of his mouth. Or the time Trump gassed the peaceful protesters then Trump marched holding the bible upside down. Oh how the people forget.

Republicans are very good at injecting into an election just the right dividing point. Like with the Virginia Governors race, Youngkin should have never won that race, however republicans found the key to a win.... the schools. Pitting parents against schools was all it took for republicans to take that race. And the same tactics will be used by republicans in every race coming up in 2022. Republicans will find that one dividing issue and split the vote into their favor. In one state it may be the parents vs the schools, in another state vaccine mandates, and in another state the economy or Afghanistan or covid test kits. Whatever it is, the Republicans will use it to win and win and win again in 2022.
While the democrats won't know what the hell happened.

Yes, even with women's rights and abortion rights and the Supreme Court, even if the majority of voters are on the side of choice, the pro choice democrat candidate will lose to the pro life republican candidate not because of abortion but over schools or mandates or Afghanistan because the republican candidate will change the subject from abortion to schools vs parents or mandates or something obscure as Afghanistan. Ding Ding Ding we have a winner, and he or she is a republican.

Reading this my first thought was "duh". People vote on the issues that concern them, not the issues that concern everyone else. This is normal. Everything else is sour grapes. Democracy is 51% of the people pushing the other 49% around, that's the very nature of majority rule. That's why I like the concept of a constitution to limit democracy.
The total lack of honesty in politics isn't a failure of the system, it's a failure of the people. That failure runs top to bottom. Nearly everyone is willing to slant information, omit facts, and outright lie to see their personal agenda promoted.

 

[vi edit]

Reading this my first thought was "duh". People vote on the issues that concern them, not the issues that concern everyone else. This is normal. Everything else is sour grapes. Democracy is 51% of the people pushing the other 49% around, that's the very nature of majority rule. That's why I like the concept of a constitution to limit democracy.
The total lack of honesty in politics isn't a failure of the system, it's a failure of the people. That failure runs top to bottom. Nearly everyone is willing to slant information, omit facts, and outright lie to see their personal agenda promoted.

So are we a democracy or a representative republic? I forgot? How many previous elections did the Democratic presidential candidate get more votes? Like everyone of them for the last 20 years or so?

 

[Greenman]

So are we a democracy or a representative republic? I forgot? How many previous elections did the Democratic presidential candidate get more votes? Like everyone of them for the last 20 years or so?

Neither of those. The US is a constitutional republic.
The number of votes a candidate gets has relevance on the state level only, it's the number of states won that matters. The states elect the president, not the people. It's a fundamental issue that seems to escape a lot of people. Winning an election with fewer votes than your opponent is a feature built into the system, not a mistake.

 

[vi edit]

I'm just taking issue with your "51% get to push the others around" comment.

Because stuff like medicare for all, abortion, gun control, and a slew of other social DO pull well above 50% in the country yet their elected officials won't vote for it. Or you have states like South Dakota where the majority vote for something and the governor says "Naaaaaaaw, you can't get that".

So which is it?

We have a broken system.

 

[vi edit]

And I won't even go into gerrymandering, voter suppression and other bullshit being used to limit access to voting.

 

[IronWing]

Neither of those. The US is a constitutional republic.
The number of votes a candidate gets has relevance on the state level only, it's the number of states won that matters. The states elect the president, not the people. It's a fundamental issue that seems to escape a lot of people. Winning an election with fewer votes than your opponent is a feature built into the system, not a mistake.

As you say, it is a feature, one designed to preserve slavery so it was also an evil mistake. Slavery has been gone for a hundred fifty years and the feature still produces bad results. It is time to dump the feature. It goes beyond the election of the president. We now have minority rule in the Senate and minority partisan control of the Supreme Court. Minority rule yields what it always must: corruption and abuse of the majority to the gain of the minority.

 

[Muse]

a democrat party ...

There you go again. It's The Democratic Party. Are you a closet Republican? Only Republicans use that term.

 

[Mai72]

I don't buy the doom and gloom juist yet. Most people (Americans) tend to go in the middle. Most aren't on the extreme right or left. Its just that these groups are the loudest, so they get all the press. IMO, we have other factors that will much more in play like our both body and meantal health, our unwillingness to sacrifice as a nation, and our ignorance of science that will doom us as a nation. I really do think we are in the Epicirean phase as a nation. I love these quote from Will Durant. They seem to fit so well into what America is currently facing.

“A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within”

"A nation is born Stoic and dies epicurean"

 

[trenchfoot]

The Repub party must rely on divisiveness to win elections and the tools of their trade are lies, deception, empty promises, catchy memes, dog whistling, racist rhetoric.....I mean, it's the stuff of nightmares that keeps them in power. Yet, there they are, convincing themselves that they're the real patriots, the keepers of the core values of the nation, the only party that can keep the nation safe and secure.

I give kudos to the folks that propagandized their rank and file Repubs into believing that self-destructive contradictory ideological dogma of theirs where many of them know how absurd it is to think that way yet choose to be that way out of the stupefying notion that loyalty to party is "the only way to save the nation".

Don't they realize that they, in their demented conditioned state of mind are attempting to save the nation from the majority of the nation? You simply can't get any more confused and conflicted than that. Time for the real patriotic Americans in that party to abandon ship and emerge into the real world where unity begets prosperity and security in an equitable and just manner.

 

[vi edit]

We have a unique situation of being both generally wealthy as individuals (relative to the rest of the world) while still having wildly unchecked and growing by the day income disparity between the haves and have nots. That's the real trickle down. Crumbs flicked off the table for the rest to eat. We've priced college and houses into the atmosphere. Daycare is now $1000+ a month. Boomers bought cheap, rode the economy for all it's worth and are cashing out high and scooping up cheap houses to downsize and further disrupt the housing market.

The buying power of kids coming out of college is abysmal. They'll never get ahead. But it's all their fault.

And we haven't even got into *real* politics. We have both a fiscal and political divide we don't come back from.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Neither of those. The US is a constitutional republic.
The number of votes a candidate gets has relevance on the state level only, it's the number of states won that matters. The states elect the president, not the people. It's a fundamental issue that seems to escape a lot of people. Winning an election with fewer votes than your opponent is a feature built into the system, not a mistake.

A lot of fundamental issues escape you, so don't mind me while I don't take your word for it

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I honestly don't think the sky is falling. The vast majority of Americans do not agree with the GOP's two top ticket items right now. Killing Roe v Wade and gutting voting rights.

The push back will come and it will bury the GQP. They made their bed. Now they get to sleep in it. Just be ready to do more than just complain from behind your screens. Feet will have to hit the streets. When 10's of millions of Americans descend up DC, PEACEFULLY, and line the streets from miles and miles. Those activist judges and the criminal lawmakers will take notice.

And yet they massacred the Democrats in a high turnout election in Virginia a month and a half ago.

 

[MrSquished]

A lot of fundamental issues escape you, so don't mind me while I don't take your word for it

Greenman likes systems that favor his party, even if they are based in slavery, for example. He doesn't care about attacks on democracy, feigns ignorance, because the likely result is his party is the one that will benefit. He is as horrific as the most rah rah Trumpie, at the end of the day they want the same thing, just one is more honest about it.

 

[soundforbjt]

Greenman likes systems that favor his party, even if they are based in slavery, for example. He doesn't care about attacks on democracy, feigns ignorance, because the likely result is his party is the one that will benefit. He is as horrific as the most rah rah Trumpie, at the end of the day they want the same thing, just one is more honest about it.

As long as they don’t get caught and undo democracy mostly through ‘legal’ means (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc.)most republicans are fine with ending democracy as long as they’re on the ‘winning ‘ side.

 

[MichaelMay]

Neither of those. The US is a constitutional republic.

The US is a representative democracy, period. The two are completely separate since being a "constitutional republic" says fuck all about the system of government.

DPRK (North Korea) is a constitutional republic as well.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Rand Paul says Democrats are stealing elections by getting people to cast legal votes and then counting those votes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1475542595673763848

No worries – the Republicans are making it their mission to put a stop to that practice!

 

[hal2kilo]

We have a unique situation of being both generally wealthy as individuals (relative to the rest of the world) while still having wildly unchecked and growing by the day income disparity between the haves and have nots. That's the real trickle down. Crumbs flicked off the table for the rest to eat. We've priced college and houses into the atmosphere. Daycare is now $1000+ a month. Boomers bought cheap, rode the economy for all it's worth and are cashing out high and scooping up cheap houses to downsize and further disrupt the housing market.

The buying power of kids coming out of college is abysmal. They'll never get ahead. But it's all their fault.

And we haven't even got into *real* politics. We have both a fiscal and political divide we don't come back from.

Be patient. We will die off soon enough. Afterall we've got all the money, so you'll be OK.

 

[BUTCH1]

One would wish this was really the case. But when 74 million looked past and still voted for the orange monkey, that is a sorry state this supposed greatest democracy in the world is.

the 74 mil that voted for him didn't surprise me, the fact that 90+% of them STILL support this a-hole even after
01/06 is what I find both amazing and deeply saddening

 

[Moonbeam]

the 74 mil that voted for him didn't surprise me, the fact that 90+% of them STILL support this a-hole even after
01/06 is what I find both amazing and deeply saddening

The more logic piles up to disabuse nonsensical belief the deeper that belief will be rationalized. People believe in insane things because it protects their ego from even greater pain. Their idiotic sacred cows are all that stand between them and the inner hell of self hate their egotism is there to deny. Denial is part and parcel of mental illness. Unfortunately egotism as a disease is almost universal.