Core i7 wake up call: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T BE overclocked to 6.29GHz!!

[yh125d]

LOLz. Have you heard of the "internet"? The 920 has been available for purchase between $200-250 for over a year. Look around. I have seen new 920's on ebay for $200 + $10 shipping. It's easy to find. MC is EVEN easier. I live by a MC...so do lots of people.

Lucky you. You're the minority.


Is that concept so hard to grasp? It's not that cheap for the rest of us

 

[Ertaz]

Lucky you. You're the minority.


Is that concept so hard to grasp? It's not that cheap for the rest of us

The i920 is being closed out by Microcenter. I bought the 930 for 199+tax at the St Louis Microcenter last week. The mobo and the RAM are where x58 stomps your wallet.

 

[Gillbot]

Only if you live near a micro center, which most of us DON'T !

Look in FS/FT then, I've seen D0's sell for $150!

 

[Meghan54]

Well, it's good that AMD is finally competitive with Intel. Hope it lasts longer than the 1.5 year stretch it last happened. Otherwise, AMD is going to permanently be fated to being the "value" leader and always lagging behind in performance, as typical.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Whatever you say, Mr. Nehalem.

I am definitely not fanboy. I go with what is the best at the price point I am looking at. In fact, I built my parents a computer that uses a Phenom II 925. Phenom II compares to Core 2, not Nehalem.

 

[ElFenix]

The i920 is being closed out by Microcenter. I bought the 930 for 199+tax at the St Louis Microcenter last week. The mobo and the RAM are where x58 stomps your wallet.

x58 memory doesn't cost any more than p55 memory. and doesn't cost any more than AM2+ memory.

 

[aigomorla]

Ugh... okey call me a fan boy... fine.. i honestly give up.

I am a fan for the fastest system.
I am a speed whore. If flava flava's bling is faster then my rig, i need to REBUILD IT WITH MORE HP!!!

Its NOT MY FAULT Intel holds all the highest benchmarks, and speed marks at the stuff i do.

So its not my fault im running intel processors.
If AMD had a faster processor i would probably be on AMD.

But this is not the scenario now is it?

If this X6 somehow magically beats gulftown after some voodoo witch doctor makes a new TWKR version out of it, i will probably get one.

Why? because i want the fastest system u can buy, ignoring budget....

Then when i toot AMD will u guys call me a fan boy again?

*sigh*

Compete all you guys want.. i think im done...

Intel's response to X6...
Sandy bridge + X68 + 32nm revamp + (new cpu to come.. :X)

Go ahead and compare against OLD intel TECH (45nm + X58), which i still think is superior.

Where art thou AMD.... Hurry with Bulldozer... u guys are already lagging way behind.

x58 memory doesn't cost any more than p55 memory. and doesn't cost any more than AM2+ memory.

LOL +1

you can run 2 sticks in a X58.
Its just people like having 3, and u get tri channel with 3.
Biggest difference between AMD DDR3 and I7 DDR3 is the voltage.
I believe the AMD DDR3 brand starts at around 1.7vcore, while all the DDR3 meant for i7's and i5's start @ 1.5V.

U can use i7 ram inside an AMD, but u can not use AMD ram inside an i7, due to the high voltage startup requirements.

 

[Ertaz]

x58 memory doesn't cost any more than p55 memory. and doesn't cost any more than AM2+ memory.

I understand that you don't have to buy 3. But Tri-channel is one of the marketed advantages of the platform....

I have a 2x2 kit going into my x 58 next week. I'll put the $ that I was going to throw at the third stick into my video card.

 

[ZimZum]

And I thought things got heated in the Video forum.....

 

[extra]

Looks nice. I'll stick with my OC'd i5, but if I was building a new system now I'd definately look at the top end 6 core. Word is that the newly tweaked process will really make these overclock well...still, let's wait and see what happens when these get into people's hands around here instead of going back and forth about how amd sucks, or intel sucks, or whatever. It's a corporation...we need both around so we don't get raped. I think most of the people around are like me and just buy whatever we perceive to be the best value regardless of brand. Right now that's the socket 1156 stuff and overclock it imho...but that may change depending on how well these new 6 cores OC.

 

[Ben90]

I think vacations should come as a result of trying to pass off things as facts, when they are entirely not true. I miss the old days where you became a lot more knowledgeable by lurking around on the forums.

If anyone is trying to actually learn from this thread, I advise not to listen to piesquared (and a couple others that I can't point out for reasons) as every one of his posts is filled with nonsense.

Biggest difference between AMD DDR3 and I7 DDR3 is the voltage.
I believe the AMD DDR3 brand starts at around 1.7vcore, while all the DDR3 meant for i7's and i5's start @ 1.5V.

U can use i7 ram inside an AMD, but u can not use AMD ram inside an i7, due to the high voltage startup requirements.

www.jedec.com
Please stop posting nonsense guys

 

[Hyperlite]

U can use i7 ram inside an AMD, but u can not use AMD ram inside an i7, due to the high voltage startup requirements.

bwhahaha aigo, WTF are you smoking?

 

[Makaveli]

I'd take a 6 core Phenom II over any quad core i7.

I'd take the X58 platform over any current Phenom II motherboard.

The biggest reason for me is I run an SSD and intel boards offer much better hard drive performance.

ICH10R FTW!

 

[Makaveli]

bwhahaha aigo, WTF are you smoking?

Ya i'm not to sure about that quote myself there if you have memory that runs to jedec spec you should be able to run it on either system without issue. If you are talking about special overclocking modules then I see that being a possible issue!

 

[Nemesis 1]

Apples to apples? I dont think it works like that. We all know that a single intel nehalem/westmere core is more powerful than ones found in thuban. No one is refuting that because its a fact. But the most important part is the pricing of these hex cores, and thats what causes these comparisons.

At $300, it is performing better than i7-920 according to initial benchmarks and is competitive with i7-860/870 (maybe better, we will find out end of this month). Not only that but the OC potentials are quite impressive.

I really do think that intel needs to rethink about their current pricing. I mean, the price jump from 860 to 870 is ridiculous for the performance gain given. Then even more so with gulftown or i7-960/975. I could never understand these exorbitant pricing in the CPU world yet they get away with it because its pretty much a monopoly.

Look Intel really doesn't care what you think. Buy AMD if thats what you want. Intel doesn't care if you opt out for a cheaper AMD cpu. But rather than say AMD competes on Price performance . Intel doesn't care If the CHEAP enthusiast buys Intel . Intel wants the PERFORMANCE enthusiast. Intel wants to be the TOP performer . I like AMD pricies. Its nice for people who can't afford the real deal. When Intels 4 core could run 8 threads I read what people were saying . We don't need 8. threads. Than AMD came with 6 real cores Now 6 threads suddenly were important to the same people that said 8 threads was to much . Than AMD 12 cores 12 threads and The People claiming they didn't need 8 threads all of the sudden were pandering 12 threads 12 cores.
Bottom line AMDs cheaper CPUs haven't really picked up any market share and maybe lost . Intel sells to OEMs . What we buy at retail is a tiny market . All intel cares about here is making $$$ exactly what a corporation is suppose to care about . Play your price performance game . But try it in Nascar and you won't make it into the race . after qualifing runs, You'll have to race with the weekend warriours on the small tracks.

We already seen the AMD cpus on LN didn't matter to anyone . It was just talking points. clocking high on LN. But how do they do on air/water.

 

[Nemesis 1]

exactlly my thoughts. Your i7 920 is a great cpu and when you bought it AMD had no answer for it. Now it looks like Thuban can challenge i7 entry level (920, 860, 870 and 930). Can't wait for the official reviews and those oc's out there are looking really good.

AMD still doesn't have anything to compete performance wise . Only pricing . SPIN SPIN SPIN 6 core intel Vs 6 core AMD . Intel bitch slaps AMD . You guys are in an overclocking thread here if title is to beelieved . Intels 4 core Against AMD 6 core lets see who wins . O.C on AIR / WATER . I say intel wins without even giving it any thought what so ever its a NO- Brainer.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Aigo, I think that you are a bit too much of an Intel fanboy. 99% of the computer market compares performance stock versus stock, and doesn't include overclocking. Furthermore, they care about price. A lot. Not too many people are going to be buying Gulftowns, not at that price.

At the $300 price point, you had better believe that to a "standard user", the Thubans are VERY competitive with the Intel 920/930. In fact, I hazard a guess than quite a few of them are going to say, "four cores versus six? six is better!", and buy the AMD system.

We'll have to wait for Anand's benches, but I hazard a guess that for highly-multithreaded apps, a 1090T is going to be FASTER than an i7-920. (Stock versus stock.)

I think he is enthusiast . We know who the fanboy is . Hay I have that cring towel wrapped and ready for delivery . PM me your mailing adderesss

 

[jihe]

I thought ram is ram, not AMD ram or intel ram

Ugh... okey call me a fan boy... fine.. i honestly give up.

I am a fan for the fastest system.
I am a speed whore. If flava flava's bling is faster then my rig, i need to REBUILD IT WITH MORE HP!!!

Its NOT MY FAULT Intel holds all the highest benchmarks, and speed marks at the stuff i do.

So its not my fault im running intel processors.
If AMD had a faster processor i would probably be on AMD.

But this is not the scenario now is it?

If this X6 somehow magically beats gulftown after some voodoo witch doctor makes a new TWKR version out of it, i will probably get one.

Why? because i want the fastest system u can buy, ignoring budget....

Then when i toot AMD will u guys call me a fan boy again?

*sigh*

Compete all you guys want.. i think im done...

Intel's response to X6...
Sandy bridge + X68 + 32nm revamp + (new cpu to come.. :X)

Go ahead and compare against OLD intel TECH (45nm + X58), which i still think is superior.

Where art thou AMD.... Hurry with Bulldozer... u guys are already lagging way behind.



LOL +1

you can run 2 sticks in a X58.
Its just people like having 3, and u get tri channel with 3.
Biggest difference between AMD DDR3 and I7 DDR3 is the voltage.
I believe the AMD DDR3 brand starts at around 1.7vcore, while all the DDR3 meant for i7's and i5's start @ 1.5V.

U can use i7 ram inside an AMD, but u can not use AMD ram inside an i7, due to the high voltage startup requirements.

 

[Nemesis 1]

This thing must be decent with all this controversy over it...

There isn't real controversy here . Just alot of hype. Amd is OK for the price . But to say it competes against intels upper cores isn't being honest.

 

[richierich1212]

There isn't real controversy here . Just alot of hype. Amd is OK for the price . But to say it competes against intels upper cores isn't being honest.

Who's saying that the Thuban is competing with their upper-tier processors? From what we've seen from initial benchmarks the 1055T/1090T (guys who still have BIOS issues with turbo and whatnot) are on par with the i7-920/930 performance wise. And they are priced accordingly.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=249763

 

[DrMrLordX]

If this X6 somehow magically beats gulftown after some voodoo witch doctor makes a new TWKR version out of it, i will probably get one.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

The people who started speculating that Thuban could compete with Nehalem were talking about Bloomfield/Lynnfield . . . not Gulftown. Gulftown is in a field all its own. Everybody knows that.

The 980X is still the king.

The question is ,what happens when 4.2 ghz Thuban squares off against a 920 d0 @ 4 ghz?

Intel's response to X6...
Sandy bridge + X68 + 32nm revamp + (new cpu to come.. :X)

Sandy Bridge is positioned to go head-to-head with Bulldozer.

Go ahead and compare against OLD intel TECH (45nm + X58), which i still think is superior.

That's exactly what they're doing, since that's exactly what Intel is selling to everyone buying processors that cost less than $1k. It's not AMD's fault (or the fault of AMD fanbois) that Intel is selling the same stuff they came out with over a year ago (more or less).

I believe the AMD DDR3 brand starts at around 1.7vcore, while all the DDR3 meant for i7's and i5's start @ 1.5V.

Eh, there really isn't much DDR3 out there positioned for use on AMD platforms. Most of the best DDR3 on the market has a "stock" vdimm of 1.65v, which is bleeding edge for LGA1366/1156, and some nutjobs/extreme overclockers are pushing more than 1.65v vdimm on Intel platforms anyway, at least for limited periods of time.

But, to the best of my knowledge, all the top DDR3 overclocks out there are on Intel rigs and are using enthusiast RAM that has a stock vdimm of 1.65v or so.

Yes, AMD chips can run more than 1.65v all darn day as long as other voltages are increased to compensate, while Intel chips can not. This hasn't stopped Intel chips from getting better memory clocks and timings (not counting Clarksdale).

U can use i7 ram inside an AMD, but u can not use AMD ram inside an i7, due to the high voltage startup requirements.

I don't think anyone with an Intel rig is going to miss out on anything because of this fact.

 

[alyarb]

The only sandy bridge variant that has been described in any level of detail is the socket 1155 "Sandy Bridge DT." It will feature 4 cores/8 threads as well as PCIe and the "double GMA" that may or may not be true, all on one die. and yes it's second generation 32-high-k. This should be the first version launching Q1 2011. Socket 1155 implies it will run on a P65/H65/H67 platform. These will be more than competitive with Phenom II X4 and X6.

X68 is for Sandy Bridge-EN and B2. These chips are Socket 1356, hex and octo-core sandy bridge that are scheduled for Q3 2011. It makes no sense at all to say that X68+Sandy is intel's response to a puny 45nm X6, especially when there is a 2 year difference in their launch dates. Thuban and X68 belong to two entirely different generations and will emerge during totally different timeframes. They will not compete in any way. Hopefully by Q3 2011 AMD will have 4 and 6-mod bulldozer products in the wild, but will they be faster than a six core sandy? Very unlikely. My point is that people need to stop talking about the big sandies as if they're right around the corner, because they're 18 months away.

This isn't going to be like bloomfield where your high-end parts launch first. This time the mainstream parts come first and they're going to take a 7 or 8 month lead. For the next few quarters what we are dealing with is Lynnfield and Bloomfield vs Deneb and Thuban.

Gulftown is in its own performance category, and unlike the other i7's, it is also in its own price category. It's price is so high that it doesn't even influence the price of mainstream parts. Though it can clock higher than the 45nm i7's, per-clock and per-thread they are similar enough, so gulftown remains prohibitively priced and specialized for the multithreaded workstation niche and becoming the refuge for fanboys while the majority in the mainstream will never know or need to know about it.

 

[Rubycon]

The question is ,what happens when 4.2 ghz Thuban squares off against a 920 d0 @ 4 ghz?

Since you specified D0 why not make the clocks the same? Heck even go for 4.4GHz - many D0s will hit that with air. Can the AMD?

What about encoding? I don't care about gaming or even general computing as a C2D is plenty for that especially if (gaming) at 2560x1600 which I've been doing since 2006.

My main gripe with AMD is chipsets. Nfarce? LOL
Until they have a board that can provide decent compatibility with music editing/creation Intel will have the superior platform. Honestly I miss the days with a unified socket (ex socket 7) where you could buy the board YOU wanted and choose a CPU - could have been Intel, AMD, NeXGen, Cyrix, WinChip, etc. (AMD and Intel were the only "real" ones IME)

I regularly flip back and forth between ATi and NV and would do so if AMD was suitable for my needs. I still have two FX60 based systems that are running but useless for their intended duties due to lousy chipsets. (NF4) Those chips cost $1000 each too IIRC. That was about four years ago. Later in the fall of 2006 I tried an E6600 on a 975 board and never looked back at AMD except video (ATi). Most of my video cards have been NV though.

 

[alyarb]

People are looking at the impressive gulftown overclocks and they apply similar logic to Thuban, but that is utter nonsense. Thuban is still 45nm SOI. Best case scenario it will clock like a C3 Deneb, which is nothing to write home about.


and come on ruby. no one takes nforce seriously. if you have an AMD CPU then you are on 770-780-790. Fine chipsets.

 

[richierich1212]

Since you specified D0 why not make the clocks the same? Heck even go for 4.4GHz - many D0s will hit that with air. Can the AMD?

Can most D0's really hit 4GHz+ on air?:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2032797

What about encoding? I don't care about gaming or even general computing as a C2D is plenty for that especially if (gaming) at 2560x1600 which I've been doing since 2006.

How's this for encoding:

Average 2nd pass
i5 750 2.66Ghz
20.22

Average 2nd pass
X4 955 3.2Ghz
23.94

Average 2nd pass
i7 920 2.66Ghz
24.94

Average 2nd pass
i7 860 2.8Ghz
25.89

Average 2nd pass
i7 920 2.8Ghz
26.02

Average 2nd pass
X4 965 4.1Ghz
26.75

Average 2nd pass
X6 1055T 2.8Ghz
26.82

Average 2nd pass
i5 750 4.33Ghz
32.88

Average 2nd pass
X6 1055T 3.5Ghz
33.11

Average 2nd pass
i7 920 3.6Ghz
33.16

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=45087688
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=669&pgno=2

My main gripe with AMD is chipsets. Nfarce? LOL
Until they have a board that can provide decent compatibility with music editing/creation Intel will have the superior platform. Honestly I miss the days with a unified socket (ex socket 7) where you could buy the board YOU wanted and choose a CPU - could have been Intel, AMD, NeXGen, Cyrix, WinChip, etc. (AMD and Intel were the only "real" ones IME)

What's wrong with AMD's chipsets? And what music editing/creation programs run better on Intel?