Core i7 wake up call: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T BE overclocked to 6.29GHz!!

[BD231]

4ghz will be attainable from what I've seen thus far, posting at 4.2ghz on air is proof positive this chip has a higher ceiling.

 

[piesquared]

Seems to be some sour grapes in here. To those I say relax. The i's are still good chips, they're just second best now is all. No need to get defensive.

And from those that have them over at XS, the word is that Turbo CORE is absolutely awesome. Overclocking to near 4GHz and letting it turbo up from there. For 24/7 settings, that is outstanding value for <300 bucks. I don't see intel being able to touch that kind of offer to the community. But as a poster said above, intel doesn't really care about the community and that about says it all right there.

 

[Rubycon]

Well perhaps Intel can bring out a $350 six core 3GHz Gulftown this summer.

Enthusiasts who put speed ahead of other concerns including cost WILL buy the best and LN2 is hardly everyday use.

Apples to apples? I dont think it works like that. We all know that a single intel nehalem/westmere core is more powerful than ones found in thuban. No one is refuting that because its a fact. But the most important part is the pricing of these hex cores, and thats what causes these comparisons.

At $300, it is performing better than i7-920 according to initial benchmarks and is competitive with i7-860/870 (maybe better, we will find out end of this month). Not only that but the OC potentials are quite impressive.

I really do think that intel needs to rethink about their current pricing. I mean, the price jump from 860 to 870 is ridiculous for the performance gain given. Then even more so with gulftown or i7-960/975. I could never understand these exorbitant pricing in the CPU world yet they get away with it because its pretty much a monopoly.

 

[Accord99]

Seems to be some sour grapes in here. To those I say relax. The i's are still good chips, they're just second best now is all. No need to get defensive.

I don't see that. The faster i7s will still be fastest desktop processors overall, while the slower i7s (860/930) will be a bit behind the fastest Thubans in things that can use 6+ threads but faster in things that can't.

For 24/7 settings, that is outstanding value for <300 bucks. I don't see intel being able to touch that kind of offer to the community. But as a poster said above, intel doesn't really care about the community and that about says it all right there.

The i7 920 has been doing that ever since its release. Intel has had killer products at the $300 level for a long time; E6400, Q6600, i7 920/860.

 

[Phynaz]

Anandtech is a f*****g pu**y and a shill, and what's worse, is a chicken sh*t for trying to deny it.

...I won't click on an AT link, ever.

Oh really?

 

[aigomorla]

Seems to be some sour grapes in here. To those I say relax.

Its not sour grapes... its fueling wrong info.

The title itself is a misleading title.

AMD WONT BE A WAKEUP CALL UNTIL BULLDOZER for intel period.
And thats IF and i say IF Bulldozer brings all the promises that was hinted.

AMD doesnt even have a product which could competitively take down the 920 in performance unless we look straight at stock solutions.
And if we do, the higher model 960 and 980X would still smash this cpu @ stock vs stock.

granted they cost a ton more.. but once again.. intel has no competition period!
Why the heck are u guys trying to pick a fight with an ogre when it will smash you?

Dont be mad at intel's prices.. be mad at AMD for lack of competition.
If AMD went back to the A64 days, and gave pressure to intel, things would be very different..

But instead what happened?
Intel Raped AMD... AMD got pressured, and now AMD has to fuel the lower end of the cpu chain or get raped by Intel again.

So what is AMD doing?

Its fueling the lower end people hexcores... because it knows if its near intel's hexcores.. once again.. RAPE.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Its not sour grapes... its fueling wrong info.

The title itself is a misleading title.

AMD WONT BE A WAKEUP CALL UNTIL BULLDOZER for intel period.
And thats IF and i say IF Bulldozer brings all the promises that was hinted.

AMD doesnt even have a product which could competitively take down the 920 in performance unless we look straight at stock solutions.
And if we do, the higher model 960 and 980X would still smash this cpu @ stock vs stock.

granted they cost a ton more.. but once again.. intel has no competition period!
Why the heck are u guys trying to pick a fight with an ogre when it will smash you?

Dont be mad at intel's prices.. be mad at AMD for lack of competition.
If AMD went back to the A64 days, and gave pressure to intel, things would be very different..

But instead what happened?
Intel Raped AMD... AMD got pressured, and now AMD has to fuel the lower end of the cpu chain or get raped by Intel again.

So what is AMD doing?

Its fueling the lower end people hexcores... because it knows if its near intel's hexcores.. once again.. RAPE.

Aigo, I think that you are a bit too much of an Intel fanboy. 99&#37; of the computer market compares performance stock versus stock, and doesn't include overclocking. Furthermore, they care about price. A lot. Not too many people are going to be buying Gulftowns, not at that price.

At the $300 price point, you had better believe that to a "standard user", the Thubans are VERY competitive with the Intel 920/930. In fact, I hazard a guess than quite a few of them are going to say, "four cores versus six? six is better!", and buy the AMD system.

We'll have to wait for Anand's benches, but I hazard a guess that for highly-multithreaded apps, a 1090T is going to be FASTER than an i7-920. (Stock versus stock.)

 

[aigomorla]

Aigo, I think that you are a bit too much of an Intel fanboy. 99&#37; of the computer market compares performance stock versus stock, and doesn't include overclocking. Furthermore, they care about price. A lot. Not too many people are going to be buying Gulftowns, not at that price.

actually i was real quiet until people started pulling i7 comparisons.

Read the thread.

In the other thread im actually pro AMD until once again someone brings out an i7 to compare it to.

I just dont understand why u guys are comparing it to an i7.

Its honestly like geeze lets look at honda vs benz.
A Honda Odessey vs a C230 to be exact. Not even same minivan classes.
And when you try to pull a R class on the benz side u yell its WAY MORE EXPENSIVE.

Wrong catigory, doesnt fit period.

Instead of i7 comparisions how about X4 and X3 comparisons @ single and multi core @ same GHZ to see how well the new tuliban cores scale vs the old ones.

Why dont we compare about something useful like that.. because most of you guys who get this cpu will already have an X4 or a X3 no?
And wouldnt you want to know if your GHZ scaled lower/same/higher...
makes no sense to upgrade unless you had a clock per clock advantage vs current chip no?
That is a more logical comparison... then trying to give remorse to all the current 920 owners
(which btw wont work because D0 owners will spank you).
That's how i see this and the other thread becoming.

We'll have to wait for Anand's benches, but I hazard a guess that for highly-multithreaded apps, a 1090T is going to be FASTER than an i7-920. (Stock versus stock.)

*sigh*

Larry take 5 min and read the entire thread...

AMD doesnt even have a product which could competitively take down the 920 in performance unless we look straight at stock
And if we do, the higher model 960 and 980X would still smash this cpu @ stock vs stock.

*meant to say 970X*
And you also missed the entire new line of 32nm Hexcore LGA1366 Xeons .
See i now know you just jumped right at my thread and started pointing a no no.. :sneaky:

 

[OCGuy]

Aigo, I think that you are a bit too much of an Intel fanboy. 99% of the computer market compares performance stock versus stock, and doesn't include overclocking. Furthermore, they care about price. A lot. Not too many people are going to be buying Gulftowns, not at that price.

At the $300 price point, you had better believe that to a "standard user", the Thubans are VERY competitive with the Intel 920/930. In fact, I hazard a guess than quite a few of them are going to say, "four cores versus six? six is better!", and buy the AMD system.

We'll have to wait for Anand's benches, but I hazard a guess that for highly-multithreaded apps, a 1090T is going to be FASTER than an i7-920. (Stock versus stock.)

Now what "standard user" would see a benefit from a slower clock-for-clock 6core V a faster clock-for-clock 4c ore/8 thread?

Granny aint encoding any time soon.

 

[OCGuy]

Seems to be some sour grapes in here. To those I say relax. The i's are still good chips, they're just second best now is all. No need to get defensive.

Umm...

All anyone has to do is click your name, click "View posts by piesquared" and read every single one of your posts.

It isnt hard to figure things out.

 

[aigomorla]

Now what "standard user" would see a benefit from a slower clock-for-clock 6core V a faster clock-for-clock 4c ore/8 thread?

Granny aint encoding any time soon.

u also forget that in encoding / rendering HT actually improves performance.. :\

 

[solofly]

Well I still have the brand new LGA 1366 motherboard in it's packaging, I also am awaiting shipment due very soon for my DDR3 6GB and i7 920...Should i wait for some reviews till the end of the month and sell the i7/mobo? :sneaky:

Dude, you are worst than me with the hardware mania...

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Excellent news. I might have to go back to AMD again.

Pentium 1 90mhz > Pentium 2 333mhz > Sempron 1700+> P4 2.26ghz > Athlon XP 2600+ (i think) > P4Cw/HT 3ghz > 939 3500+ > 939 x2 4200+@2.4ghz > Q8200 @ 3ghz > Possible Thuban!

The only issue is if I get hit with the upgrade bug again. My Q8200 overclocked is still overkill for my needs. Otherwise, I'm skipping several generations like I did with the Pentium 2.

 

[Apocalypse23]

The X58 once again is a better platform which offers the user options of BOTH SLI + Xfire on 1 board.
The X58 i would say is a more solid board then what ATI or Nvidia can make because Intel boards have always been solid and kick ass. Example... (P945 P965 X38 X48 .. ) The X58 only continues intel's long list of great board platforms.

Unless you really want a hexcore.. then intel will offer a 970X soon to u guys @ im hearing rumors of 600-700 range... why not wait for the 970X?

Sorry but questions like this become a bait for me...
It makes no sense to go from an i7 -> AMD unless u needed funds.

Good point, the reason I switched to X58 was the awesome SLI/CF capability and also the multi- GPU scaling for the i7 920. I'll stick the with i7 then, .
EDIT--I hear that the AMD platform works well wih CF multi-Gpus aswell, a I correct?

 

[konakona]

If there are any improvements to be had, it's not in the gaming performance I assume. The only speculative thing I have heard that may increase IPC is higher HT, which in practice has been shown to bring nothing positive (sometimes even worsening overall performance).

Took us long enough to see games that actually take advantage of extra two cores going from duals to quads, not that the difference is all too decisive in most cases. What would extra two cores do to help the situation?

Just being a captain obvious here.

 

[Apocalypse23]

For those that run DDr2, will they be quite bottle-necked in ocing and getting good performance out of the thuban?

 

[aigomorla]

EDIT--I hear that the AMD platform works well wih CF multi-Gpus aswell, a I correct?

The spyder platform was known to have insane bandwith on the gpu's.

However i never followed it thoroughly.

Maybe someone who had a spyder setup could comment.

For those that run DDr2, will they be quite bottle-necked in ocing and getting good performance out of the thuban?

Might hit walls sooner because of ram speed.

DDR3 starts @ 1066mhz vs DDR2 which starts at 400mhz.

So where u can get 1600mhz DDR3, finding a DDR2 side would be almost 0.
The fastest DDR2 i believe is 1200?

 

[VirtualLarry]

And you also missed the entire new line of 32nm Hexcore LGA1366 Xeons .

Feel free to PM me, once they reach the $300 price-point.

 

[piesquared]

Yes, it seems the blue team DEFINITLEY need to relax. Like I said second best is still good, no need to get your panties in a bunch. there's no doubt people will opt for 6 cores over 4, but so what. Quad cores are still going to sell even if they are slower. Intels version of Turbo CORE might not be quite as good but again, its what they have and it works good enough.
Can't beat 6 real cores sorry to say. Intel can't price anything competitively either, or they cannibalize the entire stack below. Like I said before, they are going to run into big problems with their tick tock strategy. They've already got shills saying it only slipped because there is no competition. Now that's a laugh, especially if they think anyone actually believes it!

 

[Apocalypse23]

Yes, it seems the blue team DEFINITLEY need to relax. Like I said second best is still good, no need to get your panties in a bunch. there's no doubt people will opt for 6 cores over 4, but so what. Quad cores are still going to sell even if they are slower. Intels version of Turbo CORE might not be quite as good but again, its what they have and it works good enough.
Can't beat 6 real cores sorry to say. Intel can't price anything competitively either, or they cannibalize the entire stack below. Like I said before, they are going to run into big problems with their tick tock strategy. They've already got shills saying it only slipped because there is no competition. Now that's a laugh, especially if they think anyone actually believes it!

Well it's a great excuse for the fanATIcs to go all Red and go AMD now. Perhaps some NVIDIA0ts cough cough fans might get a chance to switch to AMD too?

All in all, it's how much multi-tasking one does on his machine, and how fast the machine will handle it, if the i7's 8 Hyperthreads really are efficient at everyday audio, video, graphical design editing, then they win. But if a cheaper Thuban with 6 cores can do everything and more, it wins...We will need to see some reviews...I last heard these chips were officially coming out April 26th??

For me it's a strong motherboard chipset offering wide scalability and the X58 has shown it so far. If AMD has an offering like that I will gladly buy one. The one benefit from going AMD is not having to deal with QPI, Uncore and BaseClock multis. The AMD OC process is still old school like the E8400s and straightforward.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

LOL, people think this can compete with the i5 and i7 series. Truth: The Phenom II architecture will never compete with the Core i series no matter how many cores it has.

 

[richierich1212]

LOL, people think this can compete with the i5 and i7 series. Truth: The Phenom II architecture will never compete with the Core i series no matter how many cores it has.

Whatever you say, Mr. Nehalem.

 

[jacques_derrida]

Its not sour grapes... its fueling wrong info.

The title itself is a misleading title.

AMD WONT BE A WAKEUP CALL UNTIL BULLDOZER for intel period.
And thats IF and i say IF Bulldozer brings all the promises that was hinted.

AMD doesnt even have a product which could competitively take down the 920 in performance unless we look straight at stock solutions.
And if we do, the higher model 960 and 980X would still smash this cpu @ stock vs stock.

granted they cost a ton more.. but once again.. intel has no competition period!
Why the heck are u guys trying to pick a fight with an ogre when it will smash you?

Dont be mad at intel's prices.. be mad at AMD for lack of competition.
If AMD went back to the A64 days, and gave pressure to intel, things would be very different..

But instead what happened?
Intel Raped AMD... AMD got pressured, and now AMD has to fuel the lower end of the cpu chain or get raped by Intel again.

So what is AMD doing?

Its fueling the lower end people hexcores... because it knows if its near intel's hexcores.. once again.. RAPE.

Rape, Raped, RAPE.
Sir, I think you're talking it too personal.
AT is supposed to be a respected site.
And you are supposed to be a moderator.

Enjoy 3 days off for a mod callout. Moderators have the same freedom to post as anyone else.
AT Moderator
Gillbot

 

[busydude]

For me it's a strong motherboard chipset offering wide scalability and the X58 has shown it so far. If AMD has an offering like that I will gladly buy one. The one benefit from going AMD is not having to deal with QPI, Uncore and BaseClock multis. The AMD OC process is still old school like the E8400s and straightforward.

Well, we just have to wait for the 890FX chipset which I presume will be released along with the thubans which make up the LEO platform.

 

[Meghan54]

Yes, it seems the blue team DEFINITLEY need to relax. Like I said second best is still good, no need to get your panties in a bunch. there's no doubt people will opt for 6 cores over 4, but so what. Quad cores are still going to sell even if they are slower. Intels version of Turbo CORE might not be quite as good but again, its what they have and it works good enough.
Can't beat 6 real cores sorry to say. Intel can't price anything competitively either, or they cannibalize the entire stack below. Like I said before, they are going to run into big problems with their tick tock strategy. They've already got shills saying it only slipped because there is no competition. Now that's a laugh, especially if they think anyone actually believes it!

AMDZone is that way ==>


Nice edit on your "Anandtech is a f*****g pu**y and a shill, and what's worse, is a chicken sh*t for trying to deny it." post.