Cops beat up and make fun of a guy.

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Much like any other job, don't fuck up and you won't end up on the front page of the news. Your reward for not fucking up is that you get to keep your job and your paycheck.

What other job will get you on national news for fucking up? It's a pretty short list, is it not?

Depends on how badly you fuck up. Beating someone with a stick and having it caught on camera will probably get you in the news no matter what profession you happen to be in though.

So in other words, it's not like any other job.

I'm pretty sure that if I came in to work and beat up someone here with a stick it would make the news. I'm an accountant BTW.

 

[jlee]

Gotta love it how ATOT thinks they can determine exactly what happened when there's an ongoing investigation and the original incident happened five months ago...and the investigation still isn't done.

Heh.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Much like any other job, don't fuck up and you won't end up on the front page of the news. Your reward for not fucking up is that you get to keep your job and your paycheck.

What other job will get you on national news for fucking up? It's a pretty short list, is it not?

Depends on how badly you fuck up. Beating someone with a stick and having it caught on camera will probably get you in the news no matter what profession you happen to be in though.

So in other words, it's not like any other job.

I'm pretty sure that if I came in to work and beat up someone here with a stick it would make the news. I'm an accountant BTW.

Accountants aren't allowed to use force.

Minor detail, y'know?

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Tweak155
Yeah I agree. I'm just trying to set facts straight based on what we see. I'm not for or against the cops at this point. I don't know why you think I'm trying to argue a certain way when I'm not.

So am I.

No you are adding statements to my correction to another person's post. Argue him, not me.

While you add statements, I'm correcting one that already exists and not adding any.

 

[Proprioceptive]

I have been involved in too many situations like this... I would have done exactly what he had done the first two times this happened to me, I was elbowed in the face and tripped the second time... the second guy was shot by my commanding officer. He had a knife in his pocket missed by the initial shakedown. I just can't argue anymore with people who cannot understand the situations like this first hand...

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I don't know it looks like the "victim" was acting like an idiot and not listening to the cops, but at the same time the cops overreacted when the guy was pretty obviously not a threat.

Fail all around.

KT

Nothing is obvious.

So he had a shotgun hidden in his hollow leg? To me it still looked like they just overreacted to a guy being a moron.

KT

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Tweak155
Yeah I agree. I'm just trying to set facts straight based on what we see. I'm not for or against the cops at this point. I don't know why you think I'm trying to argue a certain way when I'm not.

So am I.

No you are adding statements to my correction to another person's post. Argue him, not me.

While you add statements, I'm correcting one that already exists and not adding any.

Mine was a factual statement that did not contradict anything you said. Calm down.

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I don't know it looks like the "victim" was acting like an idiot and not listening to the cops, but at the same time the cops overreacted when the guy was pretty obviously not a threat.

Fail all around.

KT

Nothing is obvious.

So he had a shotgun hidden in his hollow leg? To me it still looked like they just overreacted to a guy being a moron.

KT

I'm just saying that it's easy for people to say "Well duh, that's obviously blah blah blah" from the safety of their computer screen - and without any real-world experience.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: JLee
Gotta love it how ATOT thinks they can determine exactly what happened when there's an ongoing investigation and the original incident happened five months ago...and the investigation still isn't done.

Heh.

Yet the fact AGAIN is this vidoe just came to light as the law offices PI got it after the lawyer made a legal request for it as this person was about to go to trial for assualt on a cop. If not for this video the cops would look good and an innocent person would be in jail. But hey they are cops they can;t do wrong right?


Just stop posting as you have proved over and over the truth does not matter you just find 1 line and try to use that to excuse the cops.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Much like any other job, don't fuck up and you won't end up on the front page of the news. Your reward for not fucking up is that you get to keep your job and your paycheck.

What other job will get you on national news for fucking up? It's a pretty short list, is it not?

Depends on how badly you fuck up. Beating someone with a stick and having it caught on camera will probably get you in the news no matter what profession you happen to be in though.

So in other words, it's not like any other job.

I'm pretty sure that if I came in to work and beat up someone here with a stick it would make the news. I'm an accountant BTW.

Accountants aren't allowed to use force.

Minor detail, y'know?

It's a low risk job. I'm fine with that.

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
I have been involved in too many situations like this... I would have done exactly what he had done the first two times this happened to me, I was elbowed in the face and tripped the second time... the second guy was shot by my commanding officer. He had a knife in his pocket missed by the initial shakedown. I just can't argue anymore with people who cannot understand the situations like this first hand...

Yeah lets post the same thing twice. That will show the forum you're right even though it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. :laugh:

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Tweak155
Yeah I agree. I'm just trying to set facts straight based on what we see. I'm not for or against the cops at this point. I don't know why you think I'm trying to argue a certain way when I'm not.

So am I.

No you are adding statements to my correction to another person's post. Argue him, not me.

While you add statements, I'm correcting one that already exists and not adding any.

Mine was a factual statement that did not contradict anything you said. Calm down.

You aren't reading the entire statements apparently or you might see why I replied to this. I don't get "heated" over cop talk.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JLee
Gotta love it how ATOT thinks they can determine exactly what happened when there's an ongoing investigation and the original incident happened five months ago...and the investigation still isn't done.

Heh.

Yet the fact AGAIN is this vidoe just came to light as the law offices PI got it after the lawyer made a legal request for it as this person was about to go to trial for assualt on a cop. If not for this video the cops would look good and an innocent person would be in jail. But hey they are cops they can;t do wrong right?

Just stop posting as you have proved over and over the truth does not matter you just find 1 line and try to use that to excuse the cops.

What is "the truth"? What you see is different than what I see. My training is different than your training.

If a "stop posting" is the best you can come up with, I suggest you take your own advice.

Where have I said that the officers' actions were entirely justified or entirely not? It's past my bedtime, so maybe I missed it.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JLee
Gotta love it how ATOT thinks they can determine exactly what happened when there's an ongoing investigation and the original incident happened five months ago...and the investigation still isn't done.

Heh.

Yet the fact AGAIN is this vidoe just came to light as the law offices PI got it after the lawyer made a legal request for it as this person was about to go to trial for assualt on a cop. If not for this video the cops would look good and an innocent person would be in jail. But hey they are cops they can;t do wrong right?


Just stop posting as you have proved over and over the truth does not matter you just find 1 line and try to use that to excuse the cops.

You realize that evidence in an investigation isn't just arbitrarily released, correct? And judging by the short video posted on one website, I can't say I blame for not releasing it. It's not like the jury wouldn't see it. Why would you want to fuck up your jury pool and have to change venue?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Look, I know cops have a tough job and deal with negative people all day everyday. I have sympathy for them and treat them with respect and courtesy on the rare occasions I've had to deal with them (we're talking about the very occasional traffic infraction here).

Still, you don't beat up an unarmed man for failing to follow simple instructions. Get him on the ground quickly and cuff him but don't hit him repeatedly in the face with a baton when he clearly isn't a threat to you and for fuck sake, don't berate him and/or make fun of him on video.

I'm still not even sure why they had him out of the car and were arresting him. Isn't what he was pulled over for a simple fix-it ticket?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JLee
Gotta love it how ATOT thinks they can determine exactly what happened when there's an ongoing investigation and the original incident happened five months ago...and the investigation still isn't done.

Heh.

Yet the fact AGAIN is this vidoe just came to light as the law offices PI got it after the lawyer made a legal request for it as this person was about to go to trial for assualt on a cop. If not for this video the cops would look good and an innocent person would be in jail. But hey they are cops they can;t do wrong right?


Just stop posting as you have proved over and over the truth does not matter you just find 1 line and try to use that to excuse the cops.

You realize that evidence in an investigation isn't just arbitrarily released, correct? And judging by the short video posted on one website, I can't say I blame for not releasing it. It's not like the jury wouldn't see it. Why would you want to fuck up your jury pool and have to change venue?

The video was released by the defense, not the police or DA's office.
Here ya go...


"Saturday, February 28, 2009; Page B01

Charges against a man accused of assaulting two Prince George's County police officers during an October traffic stop were dropped yesterday after the defense attorney gave prosecutors a video recording that does not support the arresting officer's allegations."

and

"Assistant State's Attorney Stacey M. Cobb dropped two counts of second-degree assault against Rodriguez on the same day he was scheduled to go on trial. Cobb offered no explanation, and she declined to comment later."

and the false report...

"In a sworn statement of charges, Wynkoop wrote that shortly after 8 p.m. Oct. 19, on Greenbelt Road in College Park, he was trying to cite Rodriguez for having illegal blue lights on his Geo Prizm. The officer wrote that Rodriguez refused the citation and said, "You can't handle me, and you don't want me out of the car."

"This officer then opened the driver side door and asked the driver to step out of the vehicle at which time the driver struck this officer with a closed fist," Wynkoop wrote.


Wynkoop wrote that he pulled Rodriguez out of the car and handcuffed one of his wrists. Rodriguez then "became enraged," the officer wrote, assaulting him and Wilson. Rodriguez continued the assault even after Wilson used pepper spray on him, Wynkoop wrote."



So the DA never even looked at the video until the Defense brought it to them and made them watch. As soon as they saw it they dropped charges and contcated the police and the cops were suspended.


What if this guy could not have got the money to pay for a lawyer and PI? How long would he have been in jail?

 

[Amused]

From what I see, EVERYONE in that video is wrong.

The cops were abusive, yet remarkably ineffective. Yes, they beat the guy but they had no skills or strength to simply subdue him. It was a joke to watch them struggle with him.

The guy was completely non-compliant from the start, but that didn't earn him a beating like that. It's not his fault that the cops were aggravated pussies and physically unable to simply throw him to the ground and cuff him. Still, the guy was resisting and not complying.

Everyone is in this video is wrong and just so damn pathetic.

Seriously pathetic...

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: nkgreen

You realize that evidence in an investigation isn't just arbitrarily released, correct? And judging by the short video posted on one website, I can't say I blame for not releasing it. It's not like the jury wouldn't see it. Why would you want to fuck up your jury pool and have to change venue?

-snip-

It doesn't matter who released the video. I'm not sure how that would make a difference concerning what I wrote. And regardless whether the officers lied or not, he resisted arrest. And I'm sure if there's an allegation of police brutality, the officers would be suspended (not sure about paid) until an investigation is done.

If the couldn't afford a lawyer, he would be provided with one. The defense would of gotten the tape, because the prosecution can't present any evidence without the defense having access to it.

You people need to get your panties out a wad. There is a standard procedure for dealing with these type cases, and no amount of internet bitching is going to make a difference.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JLee
Gotta love it how ATOT thinks they can determine exactly what happened when there's an ongoing investigation and the original incident happened five months ago...and the investigation still isn't done.

Heh.

Yet the fact AGAIN is this vidoe just came to light as the law offices PI got it after the lawyer made a legal request for it as this person was about to go to trial for assualt on a cop. If not for this video the cops would look good and an innocent person would be in jail. But hey they are cops they can;t do wrong right?


Just stop posting as you have proved over and over the truth does not matter you just find 1 line and try to use that to excuse the cops.

You realize that evidence in an investigation isn't just arbitrarily released, correct? And judging by the short video posted on one website, I can't say I blame for not releasing it. It's not like the jury wouldn't see it. Why would you want to fuck up your jury pool and have to change venue?

The video was released by the defense, not the police or DA's office.
Here ya go...


"Saturday, February 28, 2009; Page B01

Charges against a man accused of assaulting two Prince George's County police officers during an October traffic stop were dropped yesterday after the defense attorney gave prosecutors a video recording that does not support the arresting officer's allegations."

and

"Assistant State's Attorney Stacey M. Cobb dropped two counts of second-degree assault against Rodriguez on the same day he was scheduled to go on trial. Cobb offered no explanation, and she declined to comment later."

and the false report...

"In a sworn statement of charges, Wynkoop wrote that shortly after 8 p.m. Oct. 19, on Greenbelt Road in College Park, he was trying to cite Rodriguez for having illegal blue lights on his Geo Prizm. The officer wrote that Rodriguez refused the citation and said, "You can't handle me, and you don't want me out of the car."

"This officer then opened the driver side door and asked the driver to step out of the vehicle at which time the driver struck this officer with a closed fist," Wynkoop wrote.


Wynkoop wrote that he pulled Rodriguez out of the car and handcuffed one of his wrists. Rodriguez then "became enraged," the officer wrote, assaulting him and Wilson. Rodriguez continued the assault even after Wilson used pepper spray on him, Wynkoop wrote."



So the DA never even looked at the video until the Defense brought it to them and made them watch. As soon as they saw it they dropped charges and contcated the police and the cops were suspended.


What if this guy could not have got the money to pay for a lawyer and PI? How long would he have been in jail?

The DA had the video well before the trial date. Because the DA would have requested it from the police as evidence against the defendent. The defense would have got it via discovery. It didnt magically show up on the date of the trial in the defenses hand.

Why did she drop it? Could be a bunch of reasons. Without her saying all we can do is guess. I'd say she held out for a plea and when the plea didnt come through dropped the case due to lack of evidence. Now that doesnt mean the guy didnt hit the cops. Just that she felt the evidence in the video couldnt prove it.

 

[Perknose]

I watched the whole damn 20 minutes. First off, I'd say those two troop were unprofessional and didn't handle that situation all that well.

That said, you CANNOT chose to disregard or defy an officer's instructions. This will never go well, and if you continue to non-comply, it will end badly for you.

Cops are TAUGHT to take control of a situation, and this is for everyone's safety, including their own. They WILL err on the side of abruptness, especially if YOU don't comply with their instructions.

The saying goes like this: On the scene, the law IS what the officer says it is. Comply. The courts are there after the fact for you to dispute an officer's actions in a safe for all environment.

I have no particular love for these two sub-standard jamoke's in uniform, but it is all to easy for you and I to sit back in the safety of our on-line experience and judge.

On the scene, in real life, an officer never really knows what and whom he's dealing with, and WILL assume the worst, especially if you even begin down the non-compliance route. Once a civilian goes off the reservation, you, as the officer, just never know what else they will do, but you can assume that it could be deadly and that, if it's going to happen, it WILL happen quickly.

It's a shame that guy didn't comply. It's a shame that guy thought he had the option not to comply. In a perfect world, the officers could have handled that situation better. But this is not a perfect world, and if you saw what many urban officers see every day, you'd better understand that.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JLee
Gotta love it how ATOT thinks they can determine exactly what happened when there's an ongoing investigation and the original incident happened five months ago...and the investigation still isn't done.

Heh.

Yet the fact AGAIN is this vidoe just came to light as the law offices PI got it after the lawyer made a legal request for it as this person was about to go to trial for assualt on a cop. If not for this video the cops would look good and an innocent person would be in jail. But hey they are cops they can;t do wrong right?


Just stop posting as you have proved over and over the truth does not matter you just find 1 line and try to use that to excuse the cops.

You realize that evidence in an investigation isn't just arbitrarily released, correct? And judging by the short video posted on one website, I can't say I blame for not releasing it. It's not like the jury wouldn't see it. Why would you want to fuck up your jury pool and have to change venue?

The video was released by the defense, not the police or DA's office.
Here ya go...


"Saturday, February 28, 2009; Page B01

Charges against a man accused of assaulting two Prince George's County police officers during an October traffic stop were dropped yesterday after the defense attorney gave prosecutors a video recording that does not support the arresting officer's allegations."

and

"Assistant State's Attorney Stacey M. Cobb dropped two counts of second-degree assault against Rodriguez on the same day he was scheduled to go on trial. Cobb offered no explanation, and she declined to comment later."

and the false report...

"In a sworn statement of charges, Wynkoop wrote that shortly after 8 p.m. Oct. 19, on Greenbelt Road in College Park, he was trying to cite Rodriguez for having illegal blue lights on his Geo Prizm. The officer wrote that Rodriguez refused the citation and said, "You can't handle me, and you don't want me out of the car."

"This officer then opened the driver side door and asked the driver to step out of the vehicle at which time the driver struck this officer with a closed fist," Wynkoop wrote.


Wynkoop wrote that he pulled Rodriguez out of the car and handcuffed one of his wrists. Rodriguez then "became enraged," the officer wrote, assaulting him and Wilson. Rodriguez continued the assault even after Wilson used pepper spray on him, Wynkoop wrote."



So the DA never even looked at the video until the Defense brought it to them and made them watch. As soon as they saw it they dropped charges and contcated the police and the cops were suspended.


What if this guy could not have got the money to pay for a lawyer and PI? How long would he have been in jail?

The DA had the video well before the trial date. Because the DA would have requested it from the police as evidence against the defendent. The defense would have got it via discovery. It didnt magically show up on the date of the trial in the defenses hand.

Why did she drop it? Could be a bunch of reasons. Without her saying all we can do is guess. I'd say she held out for a plea and when the plea didnt come through dropped the case due to lack of evidence. Now that doesnt mean the guy didnt hit the cops. Just that she felt the evidence in the video couldnt prove it.

OMG Where in the video does it show him hitting them?

"This officer then opened the driver side door and asked the driver to step out of the vehicle at which time the driver struck this officer with a closed fist," Wynkoop wrote."

So don;t try and play the off camera game as the cop said it happened as soon as he opened the door.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

OMG Where in the video does it show him hitting them?

"This officer then opened the driver side door and asked the driver to step out of the vehicle at which time the driver struck this officer with a closed fist," Wynkoop wrote."

So don;t try and play the off camera game as the cop said it happened as soon as he opened the door.

IT DOES NOT MATTER.

The cops could of lied and said the suspect dressed the two officers up in french maid costumes and his way with them.

If you resist, you are going to jail. Period. Argue about it in court. Not on the side of the road.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

OMG Where in the video does it show him hitting them?

"This officer then opened the driver side door and asked the driver to step out of the vehicle at which time the driver struck this officer with a closed fist," Wynkoop wrote."

So don;t try and play the off camera game as the cop said it happened as soon as he opened the door.

IT DOES NOT MATTER.

The cops could of lied and said the suspect dressed the two officers up in french maid costumes and his way with them.

If you resist, you are going to jail. Period. Argue about it in court. Not on the side of the road.

He was arrested for "assaulting two Prince George's County police officers".

So I guess its ok the cops beat him and them lied on a police report? I am betting they would have also lied on the stand as well.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Genx87
Worst website ever.

That said is there more to the video? How is that police brutality? The guy wasnt complying with the cops orders to lie on the ground and was resisting arrest.

That was a small part of the video. It started he was removed from the car as he would not sign the ticket. He sat on the ground and was then thrown on the car and was NOT resisting. The video you see in that link comes after he tried to just sit there as ordred and was still attacked. By the time this video started he was afraid for his life as you can hear him say help help they are trying to kill me.


Let me see if I can find the full video.

Yes please do find the rest of the video. What I saw there was clearly withint the bounds imo.

Watch the 14min mark when he was just sitting there and was ordered started to stand up as told but was thrown on the car.

how the hell did that town find two barney fifes to hire at the same time? its ridiculous how poorly they handled it, and its equally pathetic they couldnt keep him restrained with all their training in controlling people physically.

they were in the wrong, but so was he. at a point very early in that i would have stopped resisting and tried to diffuse the situation. of course id have signed the ticket and taken my lumps for having stupid ass blue lights on my car.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Amused
From what I see, EVERYONE in that video is wrong.

The cops were abusive, yet remarkably ineffective. Yes, they beat the guy but they had no skills or strength to simply subdue him. It was a joke to watch them struggle with him.

The guy was completely non-compliant from the start, but that didn't earn him a beating like that. It's not his fault that the cops were aggravated pussies and physically unable to simply throw him to the ground and cuff him. Still, the guy was resisting and not complying.

Everyone is in this video is wrong and just so damn pathetic.

Seriously pathetic...

Yep. I go to an American Kenpo school, and work out with a number of officers from the DFW area, and can tell you that a well-trained close-combat course would be advisable for engagements such as this. It's laughably easy to yank someone, flip them on their chest, and put both hands together for cuffing. The fact that these two clowns couldn't accomplish this in a reasonable manner is inexcusable. This was no 6'6" 280lb beast hopped up on PCP, he was simply a punk asshole who needed to get cuffed and carted in double-time.

THANKFULLY, all of the officers I personally know would have owned this fool like Sally Struthers owns a chocolate brownie.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

OMG Where in the video does it show him hitting them?

"This officer then opened the driver side door and asked the driver to step out of the vehicle at which time the driver struck this officer with a closed fist," Wynkoop wrote."

So don;t try and play the off camera game as the cop said it happened as soon as he opened the door.

IT DOES NOT MATTER.

The cops could of lied and said the suspect dressed the two officers up in french maid costumes and his way with them.

If you resist, you are going to jail. Period. Argue about it in court. Not on the side of the road.

He was arrested for "assaulting two Prince George's County police officers".

So I guess its ok the cops beat him and them lied on a police report? I am betting they would have also lied on the stand as well.

Of course it's not ok! But both he and the cops will have their day in court. It doesn't about what the cops charge him with, because if he resists, he will be arrested, even if they falsely charged him. If you resist you will get the shit beat out you and arrested for resisting.

Our justice system isn't perfect, but you absolutely have no right to resist arrest. Go calmly, or go with a cracked skull and an extra charge.