Cops beat up and make fun of a guy.

[rivan]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: 40Hands

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: 40Hands
Cops were in the wrong. They obviously were not handling the situation properly and they were suspended. It scares me how much some of you freaks defend cops every action. The video starts out with the one cop trying to cuff the guy. The other is smacking him with his baton. You're telling me that two cops cant bring him down to the ground and cuff him? Bullshit. Then the guy comes back on camera talking to them in a calm looking manner and gets hit in the face a few times with a baton. Hitting him in the head is wrong unless the guy posed a deadly threat. Granted this guy should have probably handled things a little better on his side but cops are supposed to be trained to deal with these situations without immediately resorting to beating this shit out of someone.

Making fun of his accent huh? These cops are either pussies, racists, or both. All this over some blue tinted lights, eh? Power tripping cops isn't a new thing, I've even seen it plenty of times in my area.

As with far too many people, you're seeing what you want to see. Watch the full fucking length video and tell me it's all over blue lights.

I meant that he was originally pulled over for that. The site is too slow to watch the full video right now. I would like to know what made them have the guy get out of his car in the first place. Shouldn't it just be a fine?

Guy sounded like he was arguing and didn't want to pay it and told the officers they were wrong. Dunno what "requirements" there are to order someone out of their car though.

They initially were going to give him a ticket. He started giving them a bunch of shit about it, and they decided to impound the car instead (presumably this is within the law).

He continues giving them shit about it, refuses to get out of the car when ordered. It snowballs from there - guy continues resisting every word/command of the officers until he's pepper sprayed, and even afterward for a short time.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: 40Hands

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: 40Hands
Cops were in the wrong. They obviously were not handling the situation properly and they were suspended. It scares me how much some of you freaks defend cops every action. The video starts out with the one cop trying to cuff the guy. The other is smacking him with his baton. You're telling me that two cops cant bring him down to the ground and cuff him? Bullshit. Then the guy comes back on camera talking to them in a calm looking manner and gets hit in the face a few times with a baton. Hitting him in the head is wrong unless the guy posed a deadly threat. Granted this guy should have probably handled things a little better on his side but cops are supposed to be trained to deal with these situations without immediately resorting to beating this shit out of someone.

Making fun of his accent huh? These cops are either pussies, racists, or both. All this over some blue tinted lights, eh? Power tripping cops isn't a new thing, I've even seen it plenty of times in my area.

As with far too many people, you're seeing what you want to see. Watch the full fucking length video and tell me it's all over blue lights.

I meant that he was originally pulled over for that. The site is too slow to watch the full video right now. I would like to know what made them have the guy get out of his car in the first place. Shouldn't it just be a fine?

Guy sounded like he was arguing and didn't want to pay it and told the officers they were wrong. Dunno what "requirements" there are to order someone out of their car though.

They initially were going to give him a ticket. He started giving them a bunch of shit about it, and they decided to impound the car instead (presumably this is within the law).

He continues giving them shit about it, refuses to get out of the car when ordered. It snowballs from there - guy continues resisting every word/command of the officers until he's pepper sprayed, and even afterward for a short time.

Yeah I caught on to that I just didn't know if that is a justified course of action for cops or not (or logical). Just giving the reason I thought lead to it.

 

[Proprioceptive]

Sorry guys, but these cops were well within their rights to do EXACTLY what they did. EVERY time this guy is told to do something, he refuses... for almost 5 minutes, the cops just deal with this guy and finally just have him sit down. When the cop comes back and tells him to put his hands behind his back, this guy STANDS UP. That is stupid... so stupid it's unbelievable. I have been trained in situations like this, albeit in the military, but if someone does not comply with your orders, does something completely different, and then struggles with me when I try to stop him, he's getting all the force I can muster. This piece of trash deserved every hit he got. You do not resist an officer's orders. If this guy had complied from the beginning, none of this would be an issue at all.

 

[Turin39789]

But how do you get from that to writing it up as a closed fist assault on the officers?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: JLee
And in other news, seven officers died last month.

Maybe I should post a thread every time an officer dies in the line of duty.

I think you should. Maybe it'd give the cop haters around here a little perspective they often appear to lack.

I dislike cops...most are not targeting the real problems.

However; if a cop is arresting you chances are even if unwarranted; your best bet is to go quickly and work it out in court.

In a cops defense he doesn't know if in the next second your buddy is going to show up and try to bust a move. He wants you taken out of the risk to himself category ASAP.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
But how do you get from that to writing it up as a closed fist assault on the officers?

I didn't watch the entire video, just the 14min mark mentioned above..but IMHO you can't see everything clearly. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. I'd have wrote him for resisting arrest and possibly assault, depending on what exactly happened.

I'm going to sleep. Goodnight all. :beer:

 

[Proprioceptive]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
But how do you get from that to writing it up as a closed fist assault on the officers?

Nobody can say whether or not the closed fist assault didn't or did happen because there was plenty of scuffling OFF camera. Simple. We cannot say the officer's are lying because much of the resistance happened OFF CAMERA.

 

[brandonbull]

404 - Police Brutality not found.

What was found was some dildo that felt it was ok to drive around how he pleased and did not feel the need to comply with orders. After the third time asking the guy to get out of the car, I wanted to punch the guy through my computer.

WTF? The guy was refusing to do anything. Didn't want to sign a ticket, telling them what is legal, refusing to get out of the car, refusing to sit, resisting handcuffs, trying to flee from police, etc... Most of the action was off camera. Sounds like the Chief is siding with this douche because he is an immigrant.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
But how do you get from that to writing it up as a closed fist assault on the officers?

Good question but in my opinion - Irrelevant.

The question here is if cops abused their power. Regardless if there was a closed fist or not, there is some good debate given the video as to how "over the line" the cops were. The guy was a complete douche. I'd be interested to hear the results of this.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: JLee
And in other news, seven officers died last month.

Maybe I should post a thread every time an officer dies in the line of duty.

I think you should. Maybe it'd give the cop haters around here a little perspective they often appear to lack.

I dislike cops...most are not targeting the real problems.

However; if a cop is arresting you chances are even if unwarranted; your best bet is to go quickly and work it out in court.

In a cops defense he doesn't know if in the next second your buddy is going to show up and try to bust a move. He wants you taken out of the risk to himself category ASAP.

Some say there are three "steps" - ask, tell, make. If they haven't cooperated after being ordered, tough luck...state law permits reasonable non-deadly force to effect an arrest.

You're exactly right - that's what the court system is for. Don't argue roadside!

Originally posted by: brandonbull
404 - Police Brutality not found.

What was found was some dildo that felt it was ok to drive around how he pleased and did not feel the need to comply with orders. After the third time asking the guy to get out of the car, I wanted to punch the guy through my computer.

WTF? The guy was refusing to do anything. Didn't want to sign a ticket, telling them what is legal, refusing to get out of the car, refusing to sit, resisting handcuffs, trying to flee from police, etc... Most of the action was off camera. Sounds like the Chief is siding with this douche because he is an immigrant.

Maybe so, maybe not- but as I mentioned earlier, chiefs are politicians and they want to keep their jobs. Do the math!

For all of you who say that the use of force us excessive, unwarranted, etc., I wish you would have the opportunity to attempt to deal with an uncooperative individual. I would love to watch.

 

[Proprioceptive]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
404 - Police Brutality not found.

What was found was some dildo that felt it was ok to drive around how he pleased and did not feel the need to comply with orders. After the third time asking the guy to get out of the car, I wanted to punch the guy through my computer.

WTF? The guy was refusing to do anything. Didn't want to sign a ticket, telling them what is legal, refusing to get out of the car, refusing to sit, resisting handcuffs, trying to flee from police, etc... Most of the action was off camera. Sounds like the Chief is siding with this douche because he is an immigrant.

The CHIEF is the one who should be suspended for being a douche bag. Talk about having a crappy boss.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive

Originally posted by: Turin39789
But how do you get from that to writing it up as a closed fist assault on the officers?

Nobody can say whether or not the closed fist assault didn't or did happen because there was plenty of scuffling OFF camera. Simple. We cannot say the officer's are lying because much of the resistance happened OFF CAMERA.

Cops stated it was when they pulled the guy over. Video proved it false. Cops were lying - no question.

 

[Proprioceptive]

I like the Army's steps... shout, show, shove, SHOOT. No compliance between those steps means suckage for whomever you're dealing with.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
Sorry guys, but these cops were well within their rights to do EXACTLY what they did. EVERY time this guy is told to do something, he refuses... for almost 5 minutes, the cops just deal with this guy and finally just have him sit down. When the cop comes back and tells him to put his hands behind his back, this guy STANDS UP. That is stupid... so stupid it's unbelievable. I have been trained in situations like this, albeit in the military, but if someone does not comply with your orders, does something completely different, and then struggles with me when I try to stop him, he's getting all the force I can muster. This piece of trash deserved every hit he got. You do not resist an officer's orders. If this guy had complied from the beginning, none of this would be an issue at all.

What are you watching? He did not stand up but was pulled up. At 13:57 he was told to put his hands behind his back. You can see his right hand starts to go back and the cop grabs him and pulls him up and slams hiom on the car.

Maybe if you watched it with a open mind and not lets see what I can find to defend ther cops. Heck they even lied and said he hit them with a closed fist. Where is that? Even the DA dropped charges after watching as it did not happen.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive

Originally posted by: Turin39789
But how do you get from that to writing it up as a closed fist assault on the officers?

Nobody can say whether or not the closed fist assault didn't or did happen because there was plenty of scuffling OFF camera. Simple. We cannot say the officer's are lying because much of the resistance happened OFF CAMERA.

Cops stated it was when they pulled the guy over. Video proved it false. Cops were lying - no question.

Still doesnt excuse this guy resisting at every corner.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
I like the Army's steps... shout, show, shove, SHOOT. No compliance between those steps means suckage for whomever you're dealing with.

Yep. Too many people think they have a choice in the matter.

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive

Originally posted by: Turin39789
But how do you get from that to writing it up as a closed fist assault on the officers?

Nobody can say whether or not the closed fist assault didn't or did happen because there was plenty of scuffling OFF camera. Simple. We cannot say the officer's are lying because much of the resistance happened OFF CAMERA.

Cops stated it was when they pulled the guy over. Video proved it false. Cops were lying - no question.

Alright, if they were, so be it. Has no bearing on whether or not the use of force was justified.

 

[Proprioceptive]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive

Originally posted by: Turin39789
But how do you get from that to writing it up as a closed fist assault on the officers?

Nobody can say whether or not the closed fist assault didn't or did happen because there was plenty of scuffling OFF camera. Simple. We cannot say the officer's are lying because much of the resistance happened OFF CAMERA.

Cops stated it was when they pulled the guy over. Video proved it false. Cops were lying - no question.

Okay... the whole situation was a "pull over". And much of the "pull over" happened off camera. Watch the video.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
Sorry guys, but these cops were well within their rights to do EXACTLY what they did. EVERY time this guy is told to do something, he refuses... for almost 5 minutes, the cops just deal with this guy and finally just have him sit down. When the cop comes back and tells him to put his hands behind his back, this guy STANDS UP. That is stupid... so stupid it's unbelievable. I have been trained in situations like this, albeit in the military, but if someone does not comply with your orders, does something completely different, and then struggles with me when I try to stop him, he's getting all the force I can muster. This piece of trash deserved every hit he got. You do not resist an officer's orders. If this guy had complied from the beginning, none of this would be an issue at all.

What are you watching? He did not stand up but was pulled up. At 13:57 he was told to put his hands behind his back. You can see his right hand starts to go back and the cop grabs him and pulls him up and slams hiom on the car.

Maybe if you watched it with a open mind and not lets see what I can find to defend ther cops. Heck they even lied and said he hit them with a closed fist. Where is that? Even the DA dropped charges after watching as it did not happen.

Try it sometime.

 

[Proprioceptive]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
Sorry guys, but these cops were well within their rights to do EXACTLY what they did. EVERY time this guy is told to do something, he refuses... for almost 5 minutes, the cops just deal with this guy and finally just have him sit down. When the cop comes back and tells him to put his hands behind his back, this guy STANDS UP. That is stupid... so stupid it's unbelievable. I have been trained in situations like this, albeit in the military, but if someone does not comply with your orders, does something completely different, and then struggles with me when I try to stop him, he's getting all the force I can muster. This piece of trash deserved every hit he got. You do not resist an officer's orders. If this guy had complied from the beginning, none of this would be an issue at all.

What are you watching? He did not stand up but was pulled up. At 13:57 he was told to put his hands behind his back. You can see his right hand starts to go back and the cop grabs him and pulls him up and slams hiom on the car.

Maybe if you watched it with a open mind and not lets see what I can find to defend ther cops. Heck they even lied and said he hit them with a closed fist. Where is that? Even the DA dropped charges after watching as it did not happen.

Try it sometime.

:thumbsup:
:heart:

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
I like the Army's steps... shout, show, shove, SHOOT. No compliance between those steps means suckage for whomever you're dealing with.

Yep. Too many people think they have a choice in the matter.

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive

Originally posted by: Turin39789
But how do you get from that to writing it up as a closed fist assault on the officers?

Nobody can say whether or not the closed fist assault didn't or did happen because there was plenty of scuffling OFF camera. Simple. We cannot say the officer's are lying because much of the resistance happened OFF CAMERA.

Cops stated it was when they pulled the guy over. Video proved it false. Cops were lying - no question.

Alright, if they were, so be it. Has no bearing on whether or not the use of force was justified.

Yep Cops should be able to tell anybody anything and lie about it no matter how wrong they are. Let alone make fun of them, file a false report, etc... :roll:

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
404 - Police Brutality not found.

What was found was some dildo that felt it was ok to drive around how he pleased and did not feel the need to comply with orders. After the third time asking the guy to get out of the car, I wanted to punch the guy through my computer.

WTF? The guy was refusing to do anything. Didn't want to sign a ticket, telling them what is legal, refusing to get out of the car, refusing to sit, resisting handcuffs, trying to flee from police, etc... Most of the action was off camera. Sounds like the Chief is siding with this douche because he is an immigrant.

So you wanted to punch the guy for not listening huh? Sounds like you might fit right in with these two douche cops. Go take some anger management classes.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
Sorry guys, but these cops were well within their rights to do EXACTLY what they did. EVERY time this guy is told to do something, he refuses... for almost 5 minutes, the cops just deal with this guy and finally just have him sit down. When the cop comes back and tells him to put his hands behind his back, this guy STANDS UP. That is stupid... so stupid it's unbelievable. I have been trained in situations like this, albeit in the military, but if someone does not comply with your orders, does something completely different, and then struggles with me when I try to stop him, he's getting all the force I can muster. This piece of trash deserved every hit he got. You do not resist an officer's orders. If this guy had complied from the beginning, none of this would be an issue at all.

What are you watching? He did not stand up but was pulled up. At 13:57 he was told to put his hands behind his back. You can see his right hand starts to go back and the cop grabs him and pulls him up and slams hiom on the car.

Maybe if you watched it with a open mind and not lets see what I can find to defend ther cops. Heck they even lied and said he hit them with a closed fist. Where is that? Even the DA dropped charges after watching as it did not happen.

Try it sometime.

I did and the DA, police cheif, etc... agree with what I saw as well.

Your turn.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
Sorry guys, but these cops were well within their rights to do EXACTLY what they did. EVERY time this guy is told to do something, he refuses... for almost 5 minutes, the cops just deal with this guy and finally just have him sit down. When the cop comes back and tells him to put his hands behind his back, this guy STANDS UP. That is stupid... so stupid it's unbelievable. I have been trained in situations like this, albeit in the military, but if someone does not comply with your orders, does something completely different, and then struggles with me when I try to stop him, he's getting all the force I can muster. This piece of trash deserved every hit he got. You do not resist an officer's orders. If this guy had complied from the beginning, none of this would be an issue at all.

What are you watching? He did not stand up but was pulled up. At 13:57 he was told to put his hands behind his back. You can see his right hand starts to go back and the cop grabs him and pulls him up and slams hiom on the car.

Maybe if you watched it with a open mind and not lets see what I can find to defend ther cops. Heck they even lied and said he hit them with a closed fist. Where is that? Even the DA dropped charges after watching as it did not happen.

Try it sometime.

They both need to.

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
I like the Army's steps... shout, show, shove, SHOOT. No compliance between those steps means suckage for whomever you're dealing with.

Congrats! Go back to the army, you tool. You're not making any sense here anyways.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
Sorry guys, but these cops were well within their rights to do EXACTLY what they did. EVERY time this guy is told to do something, he refuses... for almost 5 minutes, the cops just deal with this guy and finally just have him sit down. When the cop comes back and tells him to put his hands behind his back, this guy STANDS UP. That is stupid... so stupid it's unbelievable. I have been trained in situations like this, albeit in the military, but if someone does not comply with your orders, does something completely different, and then struggles with me when I try to stop him, he's getting all the force I can muster. This piece of trash deserved every hit he got. You do not resist an officer's orders. If this guy had complied from the beginning, none of this would be an issue at all.

What are you watching? He did not stand up but was pulled up. At 13:57 he was told to put his hands behind his back. You can see his right hand starts to go back and the cop grabs him and pulls him up and slams hiom on the car.

Maybe if you watched it with a open mind and not lets see what I can find to defend ther cops. Heck they even lied and said he hit them with a closed fist. Where is that? Even the DA dropped charges after watching as it did not happen.

Try it sometime.

I did and the DA, police cheif, etc... agree with what I saw as well.

Your turn.

How would you in this situation control this guy?