Conservatives love serial sexual harassers

[agent00f]

Dumb thread. Ask Carlos Danger.

This has been ongoing at Fox for decades, with little repercussion for the predators because they're under the protection of fellow degenerates like yourself. The settlement with Andrea Mackris for 9 million was in 2004.

 

[Sunburn74]

Settlements would be larger but fox employment contracts by report preclude class action suits and force arbitration, so women have to sue piecemeal.

Overall calling fox news "news" is almost an oxymoron today. Calling it fox gossip, fox propaganda, or fox rants is probably more apt.

 

[agent00f]

Settlements would be larger but fox employment contracts by report preclude class action suits and force arbitration, so women have to sue piecemeal.

Overall calling fox news "news" is almost an oxymoron today. Calling it fox gossip, fox propaganda, or fox rants is probably more apt.

I also get the impression that many degenerates can't understand what this sexual harassment entails. It was made clear enough to the victims that their careers were predicated on having sex with the perps, and they were tossed/blacklisted when they denied explicit advances. I don't imagine even degenerates here would accept buttsex with a troll like Ailes/etc to keep their job, but much like temporarily embarrassed capitalists they probably also see themselves as temporary unpromoted execs soon to take advantage of the perks with pretty faces at the office. This is hardly any exaggeration given Zaap and those like him used to brag they wouldn't mind getting sexually harassed, presumably by some hot thing they had their eye on.

 

[jmagg]

Deplorables and Degenerates and Predators, oh my.
Is it any wonder the great and powerful OZ

 

[Chiropteran]

Bill Clinton is a rapist, and generally conservatives do not like him, so I don't know what drug you are on.

 

[momeNt]

The casting couch post was really eye-opening.

I had expected that degenerates such as myself would only be capable of sharing similar views as me. I have since learned that both sides of the political spectrum are capable of being degenerates, and both sides of the spectrum have powerful men seeking to take advantage of the women beneath them. It is truly horrifying that in my subordination to those I'm obliged to defend, I was actually defending both sides. Yuck.

 

[agent00f]

Deplorables and Degenerates and Predators, oh my.
Is it any wonder the great and powerful OZ

The casting couch post was really eye-opening.

I had expected that degenerates such as myself would only be capable of sharing similar views as me. I have since learned that both sides of the political spectrum are capable of being degenerates, and both sides of the spectrum have powerful men seeking to take advantage of the women beneath them. It is truly horrifying that in my subordination to those I'm obliged to defend, I was actually defending both sides. Yuck.

Bill Clinton is a rapist, and generally conservatives do not like him, so I don't know what drug you are on.

Just look at how eager apologists for o'reilly/fox are to prove their degeneracy. Exactly the sort required to enable/perpetuate these predators.

 

[SNC]

Really? Name some recent liberal news hosts that have had sexual harassment cases.

This is part of the problem when talking about "news". The shows people watch are opinion pieces not journalistic news. The hosts try to appear as if they are stating facts, but the words they use are massaged in a way to support their side only. True NEWS is boring.

I really do hate to beat a dead horse but how is it that Bill C gets a pass on sexuall harrasment but Bill O has to burn in hell? I know a real conversation can't happen over this subject, but it's fun to imagine what it might be like. Get a group of radical fundies in a room and reverse the names of the accused and give them the authority to hand down a punishment. That would be fun!

 

[SNC]

It's really about society's seeming urge to protect a man's reputation at all costs. I don't want to read too much into what you're saying, to be clear, but you are feeding into this mindset (even if unconsciously).

No, that jock couldn't have raped that woman, he has a promising sports career ahead of him. No, that TV host couldn't have degraded his women coworkers, he's too famous for that. There's a tacit assumption that the woman is simply trying to tarnish a good man, or else that her suffering isn't so bad that it's worth ruining a man's public image. The classic example is Brock Turner: he was caught in mid-rape and still got a very light sentence, simply because he said he was sorry... and his parents were actually more concerned about how this would hurt his prospects than the lifetime of trauma he inflicted on his victim.

And so it goes with O'Reilly, I'd say. Asking us to refrain from judging his character unless there are convictions, even when there are multiple accusations and multiple settlements, is effectively saying that his reputation is more important than the damage he did. At a certain point, you have to accept that the accusations themselves are a sign of vile behavior, even if you can't vouch for every last detail of every claim.

It is for what you outline here that I don't think that settlements in cases where a LAW was broken should be permitted. If a law was broken, there should be a trial. If you have the money you can get away with murder. If you remove the incentive for someone to make a false claim it would go a long way to eliminating them.

 

[momeNt]

Just look at how eager apologists for o'reilly/fox are to prove their degeneracy. Exactly the sort required to enable/perpetuate these predators.

What is your favorite Woody Allen movie?

 

[kage69]

Fox lost 2 more advertisers due to their culture of sexual harassment, ha. Congrats Bill O, couldn't happen to a nicer dipshit.

 

[hal2kilo]

Fox lost 2 more advertisers due to their culture of sexual harassment, ha. Congrats Bill O, couldn't happen to a nicer dipshit.

Yea, Bill's venturing into the NO SPONSORS death spiral.

 

[hal2kilo]

The orange ass clown is even more brazen than I thought.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...eilly-harassment_us_58e51f1ee4b0917d347635f9?

Donald Trump Kicks Off Sexual Assault Awareness Month By Defending Bill O’Reilly
The president said the Fox News host “shouldn’t have settled” in lawsuits accusing O’Reilly of sexual harassment.

 

[agent00f]

This is part of the problem when talking about "news". The shows people watch are opinion pieces not journalistic news. The hosts try to appear as if they are stating facts, but the words they use are massaged in a way to support their side only. True NEWS is boring.

I really do hate to beat a dead horse but how is it that Bill C gets a pass on sexuall harrasment but Bill O has to burn in hell? I know a real conversation can't happen over this subject, but it's fun to imagine what it might be like. Get a group of radical fundies in a room and reverse the names of the accused and give them the authority to hand down a punishment. That would be fun!

What is your favorite Woody Allen movie?

These are the idiots at the office who for the life of them can't figure out the difference between Rico Suave who's good w/ the ladies and Roger Ailes/O'Reilly, which is probably why they identify w/ the latter.

 

[agent00f]

The orange ass clown is even more brazen than I thought.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...eilly-harassment_us_58e51f1ee4b0917d347635f9?

Hilarious when the largest known settlements involve the women who documented his behavior and gave the public a sample to turn the screws. But in fairness Trump has a lot more experience dealing w/ these matters than even their fans.

 

[momeNt]

These are the idiots at the office who for the life of them can't figure out the difference between Rico Suave who's good w/ the ladies and Roger Ailes/O'Reilly, which is probably why they identify w/ the latter.

Woody Allen molested his daughter and is a pedophile, I would not compare that to Rico Suave being good with the ladies. Hollywood, or really any sector of rich and powerful men, will have its fair share of predators. Remember how the catholic church abuse was found to be not any higher than the average of non-priest sexual abusers? Trying to draw a conclusion about a certain subset of people as being different than the average just makes you incapable of processing widely available facts and information.

 

[agent00f]

Woody Allen molested his daughter and is a pedophile, I would not compare that to Rico Suave being good with the ladies. Hollywood, or really any sector of rich and powerful men, will have its fair share of predators. Remember how the catholic church abuse was found to be not any higher than the average of non-priest sexual abusers? Trying to draw a conclusion about a certain subset of people as being different than the average just makes you incapable of processing widely available facts and information.

It's really hilarious yet expected how far you're willing to carry water for the conservative culture of abusive misogyny; perhaps because you can relate to it personally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen#Sex_abuse_allegations

 

[momeNt]

It's really hilarious yet expected how far you're willing to carry water for the conservative culture of abusive misogyny; perhaps because you can relate to it personally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen#Sex_abuse_allegations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casting_couch

Just look at it. BothSides engage in this behavior.

 

[momeNt]

It's really hilarious yet expected how far you're willing to carry water for the conservative culture of abusive misogyny; perhaps because you can relate to it personally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen#Sex_abuse_allegations

Also, crying misogyny when just a casual observation of how that investigation was handled just reeks of misogyny and giving every benefit of the doubt to the rich and powerful Woody Allen,

Here's the open letter from Dylan Farrow - definitely not to be trusted though, she's a woman.

https://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan-farrow/

What’s your favorite Woody Allen movie? Before you answer, you should know: when I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim, closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother’s electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that we’d go to Paris and I’d be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.

For as long as I could remember, my father had been doing things to me that I didn’t like. I didn’t like how often he would take me away from my mom, siblings and friends to be alone with him. I didn’t like it when he would stick his thumb in my mouth. I didn’t like it when I had to get in bed with him under the sheets when he was in his underwear. I didn’t like it when he would place his head in my naked lap and breathe in and breathe out. I would hide under beds or lock myself in the bathroom to avoid these encounters, but he always found me. These things happened so often, so routinely, so skillfully hidden from a mother that would have protected me had she known, that I thought it was normal. I thought this was how fathers doted on their daughters. But what he did to me in the attic felt different. I couldn’t keep the secret anymore.

When I asked my mother if her dad did to her what Woody Allen did to me, I honestly did not know the answer. I also didn’t know the firestorm it would trigger. I didn’t know that my father would use his sexual relationship with my sister to cover up the abuse he inflicted on me. I didn’t know that he would accuse my mother of planting the abuse in my head and call her a liar for defending me. I didn’t know that I would be made to recount my story over and over again, to doctor after doctor, pushed to see if I’d admit I was lying as part of a legal battle I couldn’t possibly understand. At one point, my mother sat me down and told me that I wouldn’t be in trouble if I was lying – that I could take it all back. I couldn’t. It was all true. But sexual abuse claims against the powerful stall more easily. There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child.

After a custody hearing denied my father visitation rights, my mother declined to pursue criminal charges, despite findings of probable cause by the State of Connecticut – due to, in the words of the prosecutor, the fragility of the “child victim.” Woody Allen was never convicted of any crime. That he got away with what he did to me haunted me as I grew up. I was stricken with guilt that I had allowed him to be near other little girls. I was terrified of being touched by men. I developed an eating disorder. I began cutting myself. That torment was made worse by Hollywood. All but a precious few (my heroes) turned a blind eye. Most found it easier to accept the ambiguity, to say, “who can say what happened,” to pretend that nothing was wrong. Actors praised him at awards shows. Networks put him on TV. Critics put him in magazines. Each time I saw my abuser’s face – on a poster, on a t-shirt, on television – I could only hide my panic until I found a place to be alone and fall apart.

Last week, Woody Allen was nominated for his latest Oscar. But this time, I refuse to fall apart. For so long, Woody Allen’s acceptance silenced me. It felt like a personal rebuke, like the awards and accolades were a way to tell me to shut up and go away. But the survivors of sexual abuse who have reached out to me – to support me and to share their fears of coming forward, of being called a liar, of being told their memories aren’t their memories – have given me a reason to not be silent, if only so others know that they don’t have to be silent either.

Today, I consider myself lucky. I am happily married. I have the support of my amazing brothers and sisters. I have a mother who found within herself a well of fortitude that saved us from the chaos a predator brought into our home.

But others are still scared, vulnerable, and struggling for the courage to tell the truth. The message that Hollywood sends matters for them.

What if it had been your child, Cate Blanchett? Louis CK? Alec Baldwin? What if it had been you, Emma Stone? Or you, Scarlett Johansson? You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?

Woody Allen is a living testament to the way our society fails the survivors of sexual assault and abuse.

So imagine your seven-year-old daughter being led into an attic by Woody Allen. Imagine she spends a lifetime stricken with nausea at the mention of his name. Imagine a world that celebrates her tormenter.

Are you imagining that? Now, what’s your favorite Woody Allen movie?

 

[agent00f]

Also, crying misogyny when just a casual observation of how that investigation was handled just reeks of misogyny and giving every benefit of the doubt to the rich and powerful Woody Allen,

Here's the open letter from Dylan Farrow - definitely not to be trusted though, she's a woman.

https://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan-farrow/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casting_couch

Just look at it. BothSides engage in this behavior.

Totally expected of degenerates defending conservative culture to point out there are some others like themselves elsewhere, too. Same as white knights for the religious right pointing out some of them are islamic.

 

[momeNt]

Totally expected of degenerates defending conservative culture to point out there are some others like themselves elsewhere, too. Same as white knights for the religious right pointing out some of them are islamic.

Provide proof that conservatives are more likely to be serial sexual abusers. Otherwise you have an anecdotal and cherry picked thesis that is meaningless.

 

[agent00f]

Provide proof that conservatives are more likely to be serial sexual abusers. Otherwise you have an anecdotal and cherry picked thesis that is meaningless.

Conservatism by definition means traditional/backward thinking, ie patriarchal mindsets where "sexual harassment" is just men being men. That's why nobody is surprised at fox news culture, which hardly stands out among conservative/traditionalist workplaces. You're of course perfectly aware of this even if obligate to pretend it's all so confusing.

 

[momeNt]

Conservatism by definition means traditional/backward thinking, ie patriarchal mindsets where "sexual harassment" is just men being men. That's why nobody is surprised at fox news culture, which hardly stands out among conservative/traditionalist workplaces. You're of course perfectly aware of this even if obligate to pretend it's all so confusing.

That is some mighty bullshit a priori rationalization at work. Can you maybe try again but with like evidence?

 

[agent00f]

That is some mighty bullshit a priori rationalization at work. Can you maybe try again but with like evidence?

I don't particularly care to search for any number of threads on the subject matter where your peers can be reliably found defending the perps, when it's your role to share that side and provide cover for them no matter what.

 

[Commodus]

Folks: whatever your political tendencies may encourage, the fact is that Fox News has a problem with top staff preying on women, and its policy seems to largely amount to "unless there's rape, it's okay by us." About the only thing that might get it to change its ways is by forcing advertisers to leave, which is thankfully happening.