Conservative Hypocracy about Entitlements

[TheSlamma]

true. low flow crappers are a waste. We have one and it sucks. 3 flush's? waste of water to get a little turd down.

When i shit i go to the other one. It's powerful enough it takes one flush. no matter the size of the turd!

You need a Toto

 

[waggy]

You need a Toto

not sure how this is going to help..

 

[Atreus21]

not sure how this is going to help..

Get it anyway. See if it helps.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Fortunately my house has a compromise type crapper. Its not an old school 1.5 gallon flush but its a single flush deal. Our apartment changed to the low flow type and it was horrible.

 

[TheSlamma]

not sure how this is going to help..

I bet you could flush him down this thing and I'd like to see that, hate Rat dogs

http://www.totousa.com/drake-ii-two-piece-toilet-128-gpf-elongated-bowl

 

[trenchfoot]

Sounds like it's a problem with the pricing of water rather than a problem with the rich. Allow every customer to use/purchase a certain quantity of water at baseline prices and then have the price scale as you use more of it. At some quantity you could even have the costs for additional marginal quantities of water exceed the market clearing price and use the extra funds to buy water from other states or whatever.

Based on your logic within the context you provided, I agree as that makes a lot of sense. However, the problem is with the scarcity of the resource, the essential need for it for basic survival and not so much with finding an equitable way of distributing it of which your post is IMO a fine example. In our capitalist society, the more scarce a coveted resource is, the more expensive it becomes, thus progressively leaving the most wealthiest being able to have it.

That principle goes out the door when it comes down to having access to those basic necessities that we, the rich, the poor, the indigent, the homeless all need to survive on, of which water just so happens to be the single most important consumable that we need.

As an aside, don't you think that fellow who stated that "we're not all equal when it comes to water" is a perfect example of having a capitalist mindset clashing with a universally socialist need? Having the need for more water than a penniless guy living in a cardboard box based purely on his superior economic status is to me, displaying the highest level of sheer wealth-induced arrogance and ignorance on his part.

I guess what I'm attempting to convey is that at some certain point in our society, having more money and the luxuries it provides is not going to get those folks everything they want in the way they want it.

At the least, there are some things in our society that requires having an equal share of no matter the wealth or the lack of it, like the air we breathe and the water we all absolutely need to survive on.

 

[waggy]

I bet you could flush him down this thing and I'd like to see that, hate Rat dogs

http://www.totousa.com/drake-ii-two-piece-toilet-128-gpf-elongated-bowl

IF I'm going to spend $500 on a toilet i'm getting one of those electric ones from Japan. I hear they come with small Japanese girl to help "clean" you up.

 

[theeedude]

I get chain mail forwarded from these idiots. They want the state to build them desalination and canal from Washington, without raising any taxes. They seem to believe there's money to spare or take from the poor for their lawn maintenance.

 

[MovingTarget]

Where is the competence of public utilities? I suppose we were under the mistaken impression that we were buying something with our tax dollars.

Public utilities typically do a fine job of cleaning and delivering water, barring any major problems with the infrastructure. However, your focus on the utility and tax dollars is a bit of a red herring. They can only store, purify, and deliver water.The public water utility does not control the amount of water nature dumps over your land. I highly doubt that anyone on this forum is paying enough in their water bill to be supporting the construction and operation of desalination plants. If that were the case, then your argument would be a bit more valid.

 

[Atreus21]

Public utilities typically do a fine job of cleaning and delivering water, barring any major problems with the infrastructure. However, your focus on the utility and tax dollars is a bit of a red herring. They can only store, purify, and deliver water.The public water utility does not control the amount of water nature dumps over your land. I highly doubt that anyone on this forum is paying enough in their water bill to be supporting the construction and operation of desalination plants. If that were the case, then your argument would be a bit more valid.

Who do you suppose is paying Poseidon Resources for its billion-dollar desalinization plant?

http://www.npr.org/2014/02/26/28198...king-water-in-california-has-led-to-the-ocean

 

[MovingTarget]

Who do you suppose is paying Poseidon Resources for its billion-dollar desalinization plant?

http://www.npr.org/2014/02/26/28198...king-water-in-california-has-led-to-the-ocean

I stand corrected on that point.

Desalination is expensive, but I fear that many more of these (along with more sewage/water reclamation plants) may need to be built to fully satisfy the needs in the region long term. Either way, the days of unlimited/unfettered water use are numbered. I hope you guys are getting a good deal by building those.

 

[rudeguy]

I stand corrected on that point.

Desalination is expensive, but I fear that many more of these (along with more sewage/water reclamation plants) may need to be built to fully satisfy the needs in the region long term. Either way, the days of unlimited/unfettered water use are numbered. I hope you guys are getting a good deal by building those.

CA needs to build a lot, lot more of them. They have ignored the drought long enough. They have stolen enough water. They have tried to limit toilet flushes and it did not help.

Just think what CA would be like right now if their politicians 10 years ago addressed this instead as fiercely as they did gun control. There would be enough water for everyone, the state could be making bank charging businesses for their water use, they would have plans going for more plants to be built.

But no. Wait til your state is literally out of water before you worry about it. Then call the National Guard when you get 3" of rain.

 

[Cozarkian]

Just think what CA would be like right now if their politicians 10 years ago addressed this instead as fiercely as they did gun control. There would be enough water for everyone, the state could be making bank charging businesses for their water use, they would have plans going for more plants to be built.

But no. Wait til your state is literally out of water before you worry about it. Then call the National Guard when you get 3" of rain.

Or even if CA had prioritized water over high speed rail...

 

[Atreus21]

I stand corrected on that point.

Desalination is expensive, but I fear that many more of these (along with more sewage/water reclamation plants) may need to be built to fully satisfy the needs in the region long term. Either way, the days of unlimited/unfettered water use are numbered. I hope you guys are getting a good deal by building those.

Believe me, I'm not a Californian. I'm underwater in Louisiana.

 

[TheSlamma]

IF I'm going to spend $500 on a toilet i'm getting one of those electric ones from Japan. I hear they come with small Japanese girl to help "clean" you up.

Those are not made to take down what Americans give it. If the sewer line was big enough you could flush a bowling ball down a Toto.

 

[Charmonium]

Don't ever get a low flow crapper. You'll double and triple flush for everything.
Why don't water conserving toilet's use the old principle of a higher water tank?

Get a powerflush toilet. It seems the Toto does this but can't tell for sure.

It uses water pressure to assist in flushing. I never have to flush twice and I have a house-trained T. Rex that also uses it.

 

[glenn1]

Or even if CA had prioritized water over high speed rail...

Why have practical infrastructure that makes feasible economic sense when you can have the alternative?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Just think what CA would be like right now if their politicians 10 years ago addressed this instead as fiercely as they did gun control. There would be enough water for everyone...

And there would be far fewer people in California, since everyone would be constantly shooting each other. There would be like 6 guys left in the whole state, and they'd each have lush lawns and landscaping with tasteful water features and swimming pools in the shape of a TEC-9. It would be a goddamn utopia.

 

[rudeguy]

And there would be far fewer people in California, since everyone would be constantly shooting each other. There would be like 6 guys left in the whole state, and they'd each have lush lawns and landscaping with tasteful water features and swimming pools in the shape of a TEC-9. It would be a goddamn utopia.

Except data shows you are wrong.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/gun-control-myths-realities

 

[JSt0rm]

Sounds like it's a problem with the pricing of water rather than a problem with the rich. Allow every customer to use/purchase a certain quantity of water at baseline prices and then have the price scale as you use more of it. At some quantity you could even have the costs for additional marginal quantities of water exceed the market clearing price and use the extra funds to buy water from other states or whatever.

This is actually a really good idea. We already have a scaled system up to a point. But somethign like what you said in your example was tried and tossed out by a judge as being a tax. So yes it would work if it wasn't deemed illegal.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Except data shows you are wrong.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/gun-control-myths-realities

Pshaw, data. You take 38 million thirsty people with brown lawns and give them all guns and see what happens. Seriously. Like, actually do this. I'm legitimately curious. I think it would be the sort of hilarious chaos that everyone who isn't in California could sit back and enjoy.

Just so we're clear, my earlier post (and this one) was meant sarcastically... Anyone who believes that a lack of gun control would lead to everyone in a state murdering each other is a fool and probably a psychopath who shouldn't be let near your guns, since apparently the only thing keeping them from going full rampage is access to firearms. But gun control makes for some good jokes since people on both sides of the debate take it soooooo seriously.

 

[rudeguy]

Pshaw, data. You take 38 million thirsty people with brown lawns and give them all guns and see what happens. Seriously. Like, actually do this. I'm legitimately curious. I think it would be the sort of hilarious chaos that everyone who isn't in California could sit back and enjoy.

Just so we're clear, my earlier post (and this one) was meant sarcastically... Anyone who believes that a lack of gun control would lead to everyone in a state murdering each other is a fool and probably a psychopath who shouldn't be let near your guns, since apparently the only thing keeping them from going full rampage is access to firearms. But gun control makes for some good jokes since people on both sides of the debate take it soooooo seriously.

I hate you.













ok I'm over it.

 

[1prophet]

America can put men on the moon six times

can build a network of highways and pipelines from one end of the country to the other

But can't build a national aqueduct system to bring excess flood waters from one part of the country to a drought stricken part of the country.

 

[theeedude]

America can put men on the moon six times

can build a network of highways and pipelines from one end of the country to the other

But can't build a national aqueduct system to bring excess flood waters from one part of the country to a drought stricken part of the country.

Since 1980s, Americans want small gubment, not one that gets big things done.

 

[BoberFett]

Why should the rest of the country give up their water to support your bad practices? Hasn't the southwest done enough ecological damage?

Enjoy your brown lawns, bitches. You're not supposed to have lush green lawns in a desert.