Confirmed - i9 9900k will have soldered IHS, no more toothpaste TIM

[LTC8K6]

I guess the 8700K was hotly demanded, but I don't recall that much supply trouble at launch.

I think now Intel wants to clear the decks for the refresh chips, if they can.

 

[PeterScott]

AMD had no problem with the 1700/1700x/1800x/2700x or the 2990WX, Why is Intel having so much trouble ?

You mean like the 2016 paper launch of Ryzen?

The google headline when I search for "Paper Launch".
What is a paper launch? In general, the phrase is used to denote product announcements that explicitly compare the "new product" with other actually available products, despite the fact that the newly announced product is not actually available to consumers. Jul 27, 2004
https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2004/07/4039-2/

 

[arandomguy]

How are we defining launch issues? That initial stock sold out? Ryzen initial stock sold out despite a heavy build up of stock (which are really artificial delays). Post launch sales were also curtailed by lack of motherboard availability.

https://www.eteknix.com/amd-ryzen-out-of-stock-again/
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...readily-available-ryzen-motherboards-not-much

Either you need to artificially delay your launch to build up massive stock or allow real demand pricing (eg. charge well above MSRP). Demand is highest at launches for most popular products.

I also in general don't understand why people dislike paper launches. If Intel were to hypothetically announce all details about Icelake today and say it will be available for purchase October 8th 2019 why is that a bad thing? Personally I prefer to be as informed as possible as far out as possible to plan ahead. I don't see why it would be preferable to suddenly wake up on Oct 8th 2019 and just see Icelake for sale at Newegg and reviews up with no forewarning.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I guess the 8700K was hotly demanded, but I don't recall that much supply trouble at launch.

I think now Intel wants to clear the decks for the refresh chips, if they can.

The 8700k was mostly sold out for a month after it launched in October 2017. A few people got chips. Everyone else was stuck waiting or looking at heavy markups. Nov 2017 was when Intel was finally able to supply a large enough quantity to start meeting consumer demand, and that was just on the DiY side of things.

Ryzen initial stock sold out despite a heavy build up of stock (which are really artificial delays).

Since when? Ryzen was widely available in March 2017 when the sales actually started. It was X370 boards that were hard to come by. AMD did a great job of making sure that there were plenty of chips to go around. A few people that wanted a 1700 or 1800x may have wound up with the red-headed stepchild (1700x) instead, but for the most part, anyone that wanted an 8c/16t chip from AMD at the time, got one.

Motherboard were a total disaster. The OEMs miscalculated on demand, badly. I think the first run of x370 Taichi boards to North America was only 50 boards . . .

 

[Markfw]

The 8700k was mostly sold out for a month after it launched in October 2017. A few people got chips. Everyone else was stuck waiting or looking at heavy markups. Nov 2017 was when Intel was finally able to supply a large enough quantity to start meeting consumer demand, and that was just on the DiY side of things.



Since when? Ryzen was widely available in March 2017 when the sales actually started. It was X370 boards that were hard to come by. AMD did a great job of making sure that there were plenty of chips to go around. A few people that wanted a 1700 or 1800x may have wound up with the red-headed stepchild (1700x) instead, but for the most part, anyone that wanted an 8c/16t chip from AMD at the time, got one.

Motherboard were a total disaster. The OEMs miscalculated on demand, badly. I think the first run of x370 Taichi boards to North America was only 50 boards . . .

Yes, I got a 1700x and an 1800x, but only was able to get a B350 (I think) the ASRock pro-4, and I had t wait 4 weeks for the Taichi for the other chip.

The CHIPS, and at least one motherboard were NOT a paper launch, I know, I got some of the first.

 

[WingZero30]

I guess the 8700K was hotly demanded, but I don't recall that much supply trouble at launch.

I think now Intel wants to clear the decks for the refresh chips, if they can.

I guess this goes for X299 Skylake-X Refresh too. On UK PC Parts Picker 7980XE is surprisingly out of stock for almost all the retailers and price has gone up too.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...7980xe-26ghz-18-core-processor-bx80673i97980x

This probably indicates the imminent launch of Skylake-X Refresh.

 

[Topweasel]

Yes, I got a 1700x and an 1800x, but only was able to get a B350 (I think) the ASRock pro-4, and I had t wait 4 weeks for the Taichi for the other chip.

The CHIPS, and at least one motherboard were NOT a paper launch, I know, I got some of the first.

Yeah anyone pretending Ryzen was a paper launch is either miss remembering or hoping that if enough people agree then it really happened. I heee and hawed for a week or so before I broke down and decided against doing a 6900k build and doing a Ryzen 1700. Getting that Tiachi was pain and I even picked up a different board as well for someone on the HOCP board and shipped it to them because of the issues finding boards anywhere. But that 1700, it was in 2 days after I ordered it from Amazon (counter point don't pre-order computer components from Amazon that was another mess). For that first month I am guessing it was closer to 10 chips per board. But the boards existed, constant shipments in, just poor assessment of demand. I know some retailers had Ryzen CPU's outselling Intel ones for almost 3 months and that was against CPU's that had been out for nearly a year (meaning Intel wasn't having stock issues).

 

[Topweasel]

I guess the 8700K was hotly demanded, but I don't recall that much supply trouble at launch.

I think now Intel wants to clear the decks for the refresh chips, if they can.

Oh god you must have been hibernating. People were freaking out because outside the first day the only 6c chips that anyone could find anywhere was the 8400. That went on for a couple months.

 

[PeterScott]

Oh god you must have been hibernating. People were freaking out because outside the first day the only 6c chips that anyone could find anywhere was the 8400. That went on for a couple months.

That is an exaggeration. They sold out near immediately in order of 8700K, then 8600K, and occasionally 8400. This was the exact order of purchase intent in polls. 8700K/8600K went in and out of stock almost daily, as stock would be pointed out somewhere, then quickly gobbled up.

I noted at the time, the people who just ordered one and waited, got them soon enough. Yet there were people chasing "in stock" at the moment, that wouldn't order unless there was current stock, that could immediately shipped that ended up chasing their tails.

I imagine it will be much the same this time. Just find a place that will accept orders, place one and wait and you will get one soon enough. Chasing "in stock" is chasing your tail.

 

[Markfw]

That is an exaggeration. They sold out near immediately in order of 8700K, then 8600K, and occasionally 8400. This was the exact order of purchase intent in polls. 8700K/8600K went in and out of stock almost daily, as stock would be pointed out somewhere, then quickly gobbled up.

I noted at the time, the people who just ordered one and waited, got them soon enough. Yet there were people chasing "in stock" at the moment, that wouldn't order unless there was current stock, that could immediately shipped that ended up chasing their tails.

I imagine it will be much the same this time. Just find a place that will accept orders, place one and wait and you will get one soon enough. Chasing "in stock" is chasing your tail.

Why did you even comment that "its common to have shortages" when AMD did not, And Intel did, and probably will again ?

 

[LTC8K6]

Oh god you must have been hibernating. People were freaking out because outside the first day the only 6c chips that anyone could find anywhere was the 8400. That went on for a couple months.

About a month for the 8700K, iirc. I also bought the only 8400 Amazon had for a while. They were unavailable for a while. One popped up in stock, and I got it. They weren't back in stock for a while. I still have that 8400, unused. I'll probably give it away.

I don't consider a month of difficulty getting a hot selling chip to be a "paper launch", but I got no problem if others do.

 

[LTC8K6]

I guess this goes for X299 Skylake-X Refresh too. On UK PC Parts Picker 7980XE is surprisingly out of stock for almost all the retailers and price has gone up too.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...7980xe-26ghz-18-core-processor-bx80673i97980x

This probably indicates the imminent launch of Skylake-X Refresh.

I wouldn't have thought there was ever much 7980XE traffic...

 

[PeterScott]

Why did you even comment that "its common to have shortages" when AMD did not, And Intel did, and probably will again ?

AMD Ryzen 7 Launch Processors out of Stock with Major Retailers

AMD Ryzen Lineup Sold Out On Amazon (Again)

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/57339/amd-takes-cpu-market-share-intel-thanks-ryzen/index.html
"the new Ryzen 7 processors sold like hotcakes - selling out as soon as they hit. "

There seems to be a irritating double standard:
AMD selling out. Greatest thing ever.
Intel selling out. Intel is doomed.

 

[Markfw]

AMD Ryzen 7 Launch Processors out of Stock with Major Retailers

AMD Ryzen Lineup Sold Out On Amazon (Again)

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/57339/amd-takes-cpu-market-share-intel-thanks-ryzen/index.html
"the new Ryzen 7 processors sold like hotcakes - selling out as soon as they hit. "

There seems to be a irritating double standard:
AMD selling out. Greatest thing ever.
Intel selling out. Intel is doomed.

This borders on trolling. First I was a buyer, I had no problems, others have already confirmed this. So the sold out crap is just sensational.

Second, I said nothing about Intel is doomed. But many here have confirmed in the last launch they could not get them for a month or more.

Edit, I don;t have a date for delivery, but my 1800x order was shipped on 3/8/2017, and your sensationalist links are 3/6/2017

 

[Shmee]

Hey guys, lets keep it civil and on topic about the 9900k and its soldered IHS. AMD and Intel stock situation can go in another thread, if need be.

 

[Zucker2k]

This borders on trolling. First I was a buyer, I had no problems, others have already confirmed this. So the sold out crap is just sensational.

Second, I said nothing about Intel is doomed. But many here have confirmed in the last launch they could not get them for a month or more.

Edit, I don;t have a date for delivery, but my 1800x order was shipped on 3/8/2017, and your sensationalist links are 3/6/2017

What constitutes trolling is all the AMD talk in an Intel thread. SMH.

Warning give for off topic post right after a warning to stay on topic -Shmee

 

[ozzy702]

What constitutes trolling is all the AMD talk in an Intel thread. SMH.

Agreed.

 

[Shmee]

Guys, you are back off topic again. Discussing what is off topic is still off topic. Lets move on. Any further off topic or troll posts in this thread could be met with infraction points. If you have an issue, report a post or make a topic in moderator discussions forum.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Irrespective of what may or may not have happened in 2017 with the products of some other company, the fact remains that availability of the 8700k was delayed by about a month from Oct 2017 to Nov 2017. If you wanted to buy one, you probably did not get one last October. Period. Trying to buy an 8700k was like trying to buy one of those hard-to-get motherboards that so many people seemed to want in March 2017.

We have heard multiple reports that Intel has overcommitted their remaining 14nm++/+++ capacity. They are stretched thin. If they are having problems producing enough Cascade Lake dice for customers, what makes anyone think that the 9900k rollout will be smooth? Honestly I think it is generous - given the circumstances - to assume that there will be widespread availability of the 9900k this November. Maybe Intel will make a point of populating the market with sufficient 9900k CPUs in about the same timeframe as they did the 8700k just to maintain market share and mindshare. It will be interesting to see if they do so, given that such a decision might come at the cost of delaying production of higher-margin server CPUs.

 

[LTC8K6]

It's also possible that Intel is stockpiling the chips to have a decent launch supply this time, and that's why they have not released them yet.

I have had the feeling for a while now that Intel could have launched the 9000 series at any time.

Or I could be delusional.

 

[DrMrLordX]

It's also possible that Intel is stockpiling the chips to have a decent launch supply this time, and that's why they have not released them yet.
.

Here is the thing: we are already being warned that Intel can't deliver enough Cascade Lake dice to the market. HPE is saying, go buy someone else's product as an alternative. More or less. You know, in case you can't get Cascade Lake in an acceptable time frame. So, if Intel is stockpiling 9900k dice, then those wafers are definitely not committed to Cascade Lake. Intel is wafer-limited. Intel is going to make a lot more money per cubic millimeter using those wafers to produce Cascade Lake than they could producing the 9900k. So why are they stockpiling 9900ks again?

 

[jpiniero]

Here is the thing: we are already being warned that Intel can't deliver enough Cascade Lake dice to the market.

Charlie's story is about Skylake-SP, and not Cascade Lake. Cascade Lake of course hasn't been released yet. It's possible that by the time Cascade Lake launches they will have re-prioritized what they produce and that's causing the desktop/laptop shortages.

 

[LTC8K6]

There have been suggestions that the problem is not in manufacturing, but further down the line.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-14nm-shortage-test-facility,37783.html

 

[DrMrLordX]

Charlie's story is about Skylake-SP, and not Cascade Lake. Cascade Lake of course hasn't been released yet. It's possible that by the time Cascade Lake launches they will have re-prioritized what they produce and that's causing the desktop/laptop shortages.

Okay, fair point. Though Cascade Lake is supposed to launch soon is it not? Q4 2018? Now is the time for them to start stockpiling those badboys, if they haven't started already.

There have been suggestions that the problem is not in manufacturing, but further down the line.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-14nm-shortage-test-facility,37783.html

Hmm. That implies they may have stockpiles of untested chips, or that client CPUs may be "easier" for them to release since testing methodologies would be maybe less-rigorous. Maybe. But now I feel like I am grasping at the unknown.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Getting back onto topic, Hardware Unboxed confirmed the 9900k works on z370. At this point we all suspected it did, but nice to have a confirmation.