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mikk

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Mid October? I thought the chip was supposed to launch in limited quantities (at least) in early October, e.g. one year after the 8700k. Somethin funny goin on there.

It wasn't. Intel will announce CFL-R on October 8th, probably with some own benchmarks or slides and the press can talk about it. The real launch, I mean press reviews and sales start will come a bit later.
 

DrMrLordX

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It wasn't. Intel will announce CFL-R on October 8th, probably with some own benchmarks or slides and the press can talk about it. The real launch, I mean press reviews and sales start will come a bit later.
Right but you would think the embargoes on testing would lift on Oct 8th. Why hold the benchmarks beyond that?

The implication here is that the paper launch will come later than Oct 8th, or it'll be a paper-paper launch. Either way I'm not expecting significant quantities to come until November, but at this rate, it might be closer to December.
 

DrMrLordX

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So we have a formal launch on Oct 8th
A paper launch sometime later (Oct 15th?)
And broad availability by mid November or so, I guess. Or however long it takes for Intel to free up some wafers.
 

PeterScott

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From where do you get the paper launch?
Some people have taken to calling high demand, not being initially met by supply as a paper launch.

But that is incorrect usages.

A real paper launch is a press release launch with no actual supply.
 

Markfw

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Some people have taken to calling high demand, not being initially met by supply as a paper launch.

But that is incorrect usages.

A real paper launch is a press release launch with no actual supply.
But that also may be correct, but thats his opinion that there will be no supply Oct 8th, or on sale.

Lets see
 
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DrMrLordX

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From where do you get the paper launch?
But that also may be correct, but thats his opinion that there will be no supply Oct 8th, or on sale.

Lets see
Correct. If Intel intends to "announce" the CPU on Oct. 8th without lifting embargoes on reviews, then it implies that the first chips won't go on sale until later, except through channels that "jump the gun" and start delivering early (which may or may not happen). And of course there will be pre-orders.
 

mikk

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Press news/advertising embargo October 8th, sales/review embargo for 9900k, 9700k, 9600k ends on October 19th. News embargo for SKL-X 28C also ends on October 8th.
 

jpiniero

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News embargo for SKL-X 28C also ends on October 8th.
Isn't the 28 core not coming out until next year? I would think that the embargo would be simply for Skylake-X Refresh, unless that's been cancelled and only the 28 core is being released.
 

mikk

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Isn't the 28 core not coming out until next year? I would think that the embargo would be simply for Skylake-X Refresh, unless that's been cancelled and only the 28 core is being released.

Sales start November or December says Intel.
 

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Press news/advertising embargo October 8th, sales/review embargo for 9900k, 9700k, 9600k ends on October 19th. News embargo for SKL-X 28C also ends on October 8th.
How about embargo for X299 SKL-X Refresh (Basin Falls Refresh) ? Does it have same embargo date as 28 core and 9900k ?
 

IntelUser2000

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Oh hell. They're sharing fab space between those modems and Xeons, HEDT CPUs, and desktop CPUs? Are they crazy?
Don't forget chipsets. If they sold 10nm chips, only CPUs would have been on it. Chipsets were historically a generation behind, that's why its on 14nm since 300 series chipsets moved to that process. Each chipset is another 50-80mm2 die. 1.4x from chipsets and 1.3x from Apple modems. 80% more required than normal.

I wonder if they plan to keep the chipsets for an extra generation if 10nm happens? Just a few years ago there were doom and gloom saying Intel won't be able to keep fabs utilized and they'll have to shut them down.

If they continue to keep Apple as a supplier they won't have to worry about under-utilized fabs for a long time.
 

jpiniero

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If they continue to keep Apple as a supplier they won't have to worry about under-utilized fabs for a long time.
That might be tough... there's rumors that Apple is working on their own modem, and in the meantime might use MediaTek.
 

DrMrLordX

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Don't forget chipsets. If they sold 10nm chips, only CPUs would have been on it. Chipsets were historically a generation behind, that's why its on 14nm since 300 series chipsets moved to that process. Each chipset is another 50-80mm2 die. 1.4x from chipsets and 1.3x from Apple modems. 80% more required than normal.

I wonder if they plan to keep the chipsets for an extra generation if 10nm happens? Just a few years ago there were doom and gloom saying Intel won't be able to keep fabs utilized and they'll have to shut them down.

If they continue to keep Apple as a supplier they won't have to worry about under-utilized fabs for a long time.
I guess that's not a bad problem to have . . . unless it's preventing them from using wafers to produce and sell high-margin chips. Maybe Intel should consider contracting with GF for modem production. Teehee.
 

mikk

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How about embargo for X299 SKL-X Refresh (Basin Falls Refresh) ? Does it have same embargo date as 28 core and 9900k ?

News embargo is the same for all, review and sales embargo differs, a bit later than 9900k.
 

PeterScott

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So no markup. They use MSRP as placeholder. This is the number they see from a supplier. ~$20-$30 higher than the $350/$450 rumors.
 

JoeRambo

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There is channel meltdown going in Europe right now, 8700K go for 450-500 euros or are on 1-2month backorders. Intel really screwed up this time, hard to imagine they will have stock for 9900K on release.
 

LTC8K6

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There is channel meltdown going in Europe right now, 8700K go for 450-500 euros or are on 1-2month backorders. Intel really screwed up this time, hard to imagine they will have stock for 9900K on release.
Intel wants you to buy CL-R.
 

Topweasel

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Some people have taken to calling high demand, not being initially met by supply as a paper launch.

But that is incorrect usages.

A real paper launch is a press release launch with no actual supply.
I would consider any launch of any product where they have to stockpile chips for a period of time, to offer at launch, with no followup shipments till "yields level out" a paper launch.

That said I don't know if even that self appointed definition applies here. I have lived through dozens of GPU launches where cards didn't hit the market for 3 or more months. I have seen an effort to kill idea of paper launches with what I described above. Basically stock made through the effort to work out the production process with extremely low yields.

I don't know if I'd call 2 weeks paper launch and not just some distribution snafu rounding error.
 

PeterScott

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I would consider any launch of any product where they have to stockpile chips for a period of time, to offer at launch, with no followup shipments till "yields level out" a paper launch.
I think this kind of thing is simply the reality of launching almost any hot HW product. The biggest demand is often right out of the gate when production will never be at it's smoothest.
 

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I think this kind of thing is simply the reality of launching almost any hot HW product. The biggest demand is often right out of the gate when production will never be at it's smoothest.
AMD had no problem with the 1700/1700x/1800x/2700x or the 2990WX, Why is Intel having so much trouble ?
 
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