Computex: AMD working on improved ref coolers for HD9000, will compete with GK110

[bystander36]

Wait...what? Did someone put 6950 blower on 680 or vice versa? Or you just compared aples to grapes?

I'm talking about the quality of the fan put on reference blower style cards. Most blower style HSF use poor quality fans that make a ton of noise. The 6950 and 470 were good examples of vary loud blower style HSF's on reference designs. The 680 was remarkably quieter than either on reference cards and based on the reference 7970 Ghz cards, they are also using loud fans. That is all that I'd care about.

 

[Rvenger]

It really would be helpful to read my posts:



Single Gk-104 encompasses the GTX 660 ti, GTX 670, GTX 680, GTX 770 -- Single Tahiti may encompass 7950, 7950 boost, 7970, 7970 ghz edition, 7870XT

Gk-104 easily competed with Tahiti and arguably still a faster chip over-all, out-of-box.

Sorry about that. I thought you were referring to the 680/670 launch and not the 770. I agree the 770 is faster but the other argument would be having that extra 1gb VRAM on the Radeon would be just as good of a trade off.

 

[blastingcap]

You're right of course, my mistake. I'm hesitant about AMD as well but it would be nice for them to suddenly pull an ace out of their sleeve - I feel they did just that with the 5870 (I thought it to be an awesome card), as to whether it happens again this time who knows. For now nvidia has the momentum.

As far as the 7970/680 discussion going on, I always felt they were pretty interchangeable, with both being very good cards. Of course you could argue stock performance and efficiency with the 680, but the two cards were pretty darn close.

7970 was better than 680 for voltage tweakers. The other stuff like extra VRAM vs PhysX/CUDA/aVsync/etc. tended to cancel each other out. 6xx is obviously better for SLI.

But back to voltage. I don't know if it's a one-time thing or what, but NV's locking people out of voltage control as a blanket policy really does not sit well with me. I think it had to do with cheaper PCBs since reference GK104s PCBs were exercises in cost cutting, from the literal size of the card being shaven, to the 256-bit memory bus, to the pathetic heatsink on the GTX 670. I can't really blame NV in that they developed the card in the years after the 2008 meltdown so they were probably trying hard to keep costs down so they could survive lower PC hardware sales due to the aftermath of 2008. But going forward, I would be EXTREMELY disappointed if we were locked out of voltage control on even non-reference cards to the extent that has happened with GTX 6xx.

 

[lilrayray69]

So why are they already talking about the 9xxx series when the 8xxx is not out yet? Is the 8xxx just a rebranded 7xxx series, with the 9xxx the real performance cards coming later?

 

[bystander36]

So why are they already talking about the 9xxx series when the 8xxx is not out yet? Is the 8xxx just a rebranded 7xxx series, with the 9xxx the real performance cards coming later?

Since they already are selling 8xxx mobile cards, that is probably the case.

 

[Siberian]

Or more recently, the HD 5870 days.

The 480 was generally faster than the 5870. There was no huge performance gap like the G80 had and the GK110 currently has.

 

[2is]

The 480 was generally faster than the 5870. There was no huge performance gap like the G80 had and the GK110 currently has.

480 was also 6 months newer, so the 5870 had the performance crown for 6 months, a lot longer than the 1 month since titan and 1 week for 780. What's going on right now is hardly unprecedented.

 

[blackened23]

The 480 was generally faster than the 5870. There was no huge performance gap like the G80 had and the GK110 currently has.

The GTX 480 did not get kind reviews because it was a hot and loud card with normal temps approaching mid 90s commonly (with an accompanying loud cooler) - but it was a fast card. Aside from this, as 2is also mentioned, the 5870 was released 6 months before the GTX 480. The situation was very much different then, with many preferring the 5870 despite the GTX 480 performance advantage - AMD generally always had a huge efficiency lead back then, unlike the situation now with kepler.

I saw this mentioned by Kyle at HardOCP, it really took nvidia 2 tries to get a good high end card released with the Fermi. GTX 480 wasn't it. The GTX 580 was a great card, however - which fixed the shortcomings of the 480. Obviously that was then and this is now, nvidia has the efficiency lead with Kepler.

 

[Lonbjerg]

So AMD's next generation flagship...will fight NVIDIA's current generation flagship?
What about NVIDIA's next generation then....unmatched? ^^

 

[SirPauly]

not even close to saying "faster over all out of the box".

I didn't say that but offered, "arguably faster over-all out-of-the-box!" I used the word arguably because it isn't definitive but arguable between the HD 7970ghz and the GK-104 derivative GTX 770 based on one's subjective view, debate or argument and how close they perform over-all.

 

[SirPauly]

So AMD's next generation flagship...will fight NVIDIA's current generation flagship?
What about NVIDIA's next generation then....unmatched? ^^

It may be similar to what happened last round where AMD engineered some different architectural changes with the HD 6970 compared to the 5870 and nVidia may of engineered Fermi derivatives for both the 4XX And 5XX series.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

7970 > 680 > 7970 GHz > 770

Nvidia mid-range stomping on AMD's high end, deal with it.

 

[ICDP]

I didn't say that but offered, "arguably faster over-all out-of-the-box!" I used the word arguably because it isn't definitive but arguable between the HD 7970ghz and the GK-104 derivative GTX 770 based on one's subjective view, debate or argument and how close they perform over-all.

No, you were being deliberately vague by using the term Gk-104 and also used the phrase "competed" implying past tense. You did not make it clear you meant GTX770 but even if you had the fact it is only a few weeks old would render the term "competed" incorrect.

While the GTX770 does trade blows with the HD7970 GE more than the GTX680 did out of the box it does not equate to "competed", past tense. Had you said "finally competes" we wouldn't be having this debate.

 

[ICDP]

7970 > 680 > 7970 GHz > 770

Nvidia mid-range stomping on AMD's high end, deal with it.

Your quote doesn't come across as you intend, your attempt at being smart actually has the opposite effect. Nvidia release what you claim to be a mid range card at high end prices and yet you praise them for it. Am I suppose to get annoyed by your quote or feel sorry for the fact you are so easily duped?

Faceless corporations love people like you. You blindly follow them with a religious zeal and will happily swallow every single word they tell you as gospel.

 

[SirPauly]

Oh my!

and arguably still a faster chip over-all, out-of-box.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So AMD's next generation flagship...will fight NVIDIA's current generation flagship?
What about NVIDIA's next generation then....unmatched? ^^

Assuming 8970/9970 is real, I imagine that'll be the last flagship GPU from either company until 20nm.

 

[SirPauly]

IF it is legit --- surprised how long to introduce considering Tahiti launched in January of 2012.

 

[ICDP]

Oh my!

Way to address the actual points being made. Taking your entire original quote lets see if we can spot the flaws.

The GK-104 easily competed with Tahiti and arguably still a faster chip over-all out-of-box.

The word competed is the key, it implies, no explicitly means past tense.

Gk-104 didn't easily compete with Tahiti for the majority of 2012 and most of 2013 (to date) because it was slower overall out of the box at each price point. Like I said 2012 was the first time in years AMD didn't just compete with AMD for performance, they actually come out ahead on all price points.

Tahit vs GK-104 derivatives
7870XT > GTX660
7950 > GTX660Ti
7970 > GTX 670
7970 GE > GTX680

It took until GTX770 for GK-104 to finally match 7970 GE overall.

 

[blackened23]

Your quote doesn't come across as you intend, your attempt at being smart actually has the opposite effect. Nvidia release what

It's his way of making a passive aggressive remark to incite others or as a means of flame-bait. It's a recurring theme, that's all i'll say - it's best just to ignore the nonsense and not reply to it.

 

[Grooveriding]

^ Basically this. Just another troll without the creativity to reinvent their M.O.

 

[SirPauly]

ICDP,

I'm trying to really understand your past tense point:

The GTX 770 launch reviews are now in the past tense!

Gk-104 didn't easily compete with Tahiti for the majority of 2012

Sure they did

 

[Elfear]

7970 > 680 > 7970 GHz > 770

Nvidia mid-range stomping on AMD's high end, deal with it.

Again with the adjectives that mean something different than you think.

Compilation of 8 different reviews.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Your quote doesn't come across as you intend, your attempt at being smart actually has the opposite effect. Nvidia release what you claim to be a mid range card at high end prices and yet you praise them for it. Am I suppose to get annoyed by your quote or feel sorry for the fact you are so easily duped?

Faceless corporations love people like you. You blindly follow them with a religious zeal and will happily swallow every single word they tell you as gospel.

lolwut?

Praise them? I've bashed them since the first leaked rumors of GK104 as a flagship, then bought two 7950's...

Are you talking to a mirror, or just projecting?

Any time your best product is competing with the competitions 3th tier product you're getting stomped.

Hopefully AMD goes back to the drawing board and comes up with something better for the next cycle, that is all.

 

[bystander36]

I think the confusion is some are considering the 680/770 as the high end, others are considering the Titan and 780 as the high end.

Some consider the price points as the determining factor on how to compare them, others are considering price points as the result of what GPU they compare to.

 

[stahlhart]

Again with the adjectives that mean something different than you think.

Not to mention you kicking my sorry midrange ass in the Valley benchmark thread.