Computex: AMD working on improved ref coolers for HD9000, will compete with GK110

[yacoub]

Do you have information that contradicts this such that you call it "wishful thinking"? If not, I am not sure why you posted what you did.

Member of Nvidia Focus Group

maybe?

 

[2is]

Do you have information that contradicts this such that you call it "wishful thinking"? If not, I am not sure why you posted what you did.

Do you have information that verifies this? If not, I'm not sure why you posted what you did.

 

[Will Robinson]

Bernard Wooley could make a meal of these last few comments.

*Bonus for knowing the reference*
*minus 2 internets for having to Google it*

 

[blastingcap]

I bet you thought I meant that the rumors are BS.

Well yeah, that is what this thread is about, coolers and new cards. I don't know why we are talking about AMD's future or lack thereof or whatever. I just want to know more about the cooler and GPU.

 

[blastingcap]

Do you have information that verifies this? If not, I'm not sure why you posted what you did.

I don't have to justify a darned thing to you or anyone else, because I did not make any statement about the validity of OP's rumor. OP started this rumor thread and then we have Keys saying it's "wishful thinking," which he later said was not about the rumors, but that's the way I interpreted it, and I don't think I was alone. If keys says it's wishful thinking and has information he's willing to divulge, I think it's appropriate to post it rather than simply call it wishful thinking without any elaboration.

 

[2is]

That's a very long and defensive way to say "no" because that's all you essentially said, which is what I thought.

"Wishful thinking" could be ones opinion on the rumor and its a valid response.

 

[blastingcap]

That's a very long and defensive way to say "no" because that's all you essentially said, which is what I thought.

"Wishful thinking" could be ones opinion on the rumor and its a valid response.

Why are you even talking about this when he already responded to me? You made your post re: my post AFTER keys had already responded. I was just probing him on why he was so sure it was wishful thinking, as he provided no elaboration. He has clarified his original comment (more or less) and I am fine with it, so I don't know why you are butting in after the fact if not to try to stir up trouble. If you were trying to be funny, sorry but I don't think it was that funny. If you weren't trying to be funny, go pick a fight with someone else. Unlike Keys, I made no statement either way about OP's thread or the linked-to article.

 

[2is]

I did what you did. Made a statement in response someone else's statement.

 

[blastingcap]

I did what you did. Made a statement in response someone else's statement.

Keys made a post that apparently I misinterpreted as being about the rumors in OP. Keys himself responded to me and I find his response satisfactory.

In contrast, my post was specifically directed at Keys and was a question, not a fact.

Keys - statement without referring to what he was talking about so I thought he was talking about OP.

Me - Question specifically directed at Keys asking if he were basing his opinion on any facts or what.

You seem to be attempting to draw parallels where they do not exist.

 

[RussianSensation]

ARM is a bigger threat to Intel than AMD. AMD will not be saved at this rate. Too much debt and very few assets.

What rate is that? You mean the same situation AMD has been in for the last 3 years+ -- i.e, barely making any $ from desktop GPUs? What exactly has changed so dramatically with AMD's GPU division that all of a sudden the company is dying because GTX780/Titan have arrived? The main reasons AMD is a declining business are not GPUs but CPUs/APUs/servers/workstations and inability to make in-roads in new markets such as micro-servers. If AMD released some unicorn HD8970 with 10x the performance of GTX780 tomorrow for $299, it would do nothing to save the company if the core business segments are not financially profitable.

It's like beating a dead-horse here. No matter how many times people show that AMD's core business is not high end desktop dGPUs, people continue to call for AMD's demise based on ludicrous comparisons of GK110 to "XYZ AMD GPU".

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I am glad AMD is taking notice of NV's excellent reference solutions. I have never been a fan of AMD's reference fan - too loud at low fan speeds. I'll continue to choose after-market cards but I can see with the latest trends for smaller cases and for OEMs, having an efficient & quiet reference design is important. I doubt AMD can beat 780/Titan's cooler on the first attempt but any improvements from 5870/6970/7970 reference coolers are welcome because many people skip AMD's reference cards because of how loud the fans are.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Are we to assume this will be 20nm and a repeat of 28nm?

 

[Keysplayr]

I don't have to justify a darned thing to you or anyone else, because I did not make any statement about the validity of OP's rumor. OP started this rumor thread and then we have Keys saying it's "wishful thinking," which he later said was not about the rumors, but that's the way I interpreted it, and I don't think I was alone. If keys says it's wishful thinking and has information he's willing to divulge, I think it's appropriate to post it rather than simply call it wishful thinking without any elaboration.

I think you should take a step back and chill out.

 

[biostud]

Since it's all these island chips, my guess is it will be called "AMD TRITON"

 

[tviceman]

ARM is a bigger threat to Intel than AMD. AMD will not be saved at this rate. Too much debt and very few assets.

Actually, at the rate AMD is going, they should be profitable by the end of Q4, if not Q3. As much slack as many (including myself) gave them for repeatedly poor business choices over the past several years, in the past 9 months or so they have done many things necessary and right to stop their ship from sinking.

 

[blastingcap]

I think you should take a step back and chill out.

Here's to making unnecessarily cryptic one-line posts and pretending you're above it all. :::raises glass:::

 

[SickBeast]

Are we to assume this will be 20nm and a repeat of 28nm?

Yes. :sneaky:

 

[blastingcap]

Yes. :sneaky:

I don't think it will be that bad. TSMC can't afford any mis-steps if it wants to retain Apple's business after Apple switched away from Samsung. As much as Apple hates Samsung, they can't afford slip-ups and will leave TSMC in a heartbeat if TSMC screws up that much.

 

[SirPauly]

Are we to assume this will be 20nm and a repeat of 28nm?

That's the key question and now the extreme enthusiast premium market place for performance now stands at 649 and 999.

 

[Elfear]

Are we to assume this will be 20nm and a repeat of 28nm?

If the rumors are correct and AMD releases a new card this year, I highly doubt it will be 20nm (as nice as that would be). Industry insiders put 20nm in Q2 of 2014 possibly Q1.

AMD could wait until 20nm is ready to release their next high-end card but it doesn't make much sense to wait almost a year from now to do so. I hope they have a 28nm refresh for the market while we wait for 20nm cards to arrive.

 

[Keysplayr]

Here's to making unnecessarily cryptic one-line posts and pretending you're above it all. :::raises glass:::

Man, someone pissed in your wheaties this morning huh... Whatever. And it's only "Cryptic" because your suspicious mind took it there. Not my fault.
Deal.

 

[Keysplayr]

If the rumors are correct and AMD releases a new card this year, I highly doubt it will be 20nm (as nice as that would be). Industry insiders put 20nm in Q2 of 2014 possibly Q1.

AMD could wait until 20nm is ready to release their next high-end card but it doesn't make much sense to wait almost a year from now to do so. I hope they have a 28nm refresh for the market while we wait for 20nm cards to arrive.

They will need a 28nm refresh for sure. They can't wait til 20nm.

 

[SickBeast]

I don't think it will be that bad. TSMC can't afford any mis-steps if it wants to retain Apple's business after Apple switched away from Samsung. As much as Apple hates Samsung, they can't afford slip-ups and will leave TSMC in a heartbeat if TSMC screws up that much.

How was it bad? The 7970 was a great card upon release. It took until Big Kepler for nVidia to have a real answer for Tahiti. I hope AMD can pull off another great GPU once 20nm is ready.

 

[tviceman]

How was it bad? The 7970 was a great card upon release. It took until Big Kepler for nVidia to have a real answer for Tahiti. I hope AMD can pull off another great GPU once 20nm is ready.

I know this is a matter of opinion, but I see it the other way around. Nvidia answered Tahiti with gk104 quite well. Tahiti was generally faster most of the time, but performance on the whole was very close and continues to be with recent releases . Titan was not an answer to Tahiti, it is in it's own league in both performance and price. The difference between each company's best card has not been this big since the 8800gtx days.

 

[sontin]

How was it bad? The 7970 was a great card upon release. It took until Big Kepler for nVidia to have a real answer for Tahiti. I hope AMD can pull off another great GPU once 20nm is ready.

What? The GTX680 is faster than the 7970. :\

 

[2is]

I think you should take a step back and chill out.

:::::raises glass:::::: :thumbsup: