comparing Jordan and Kobe

[bigdog1218]

don't anyone say anything about the bulls squeaking by, they always wanted to win at home, so they would always slack off at the two away games and then take the champion ship at home

hoeboy, i don't know if he hates kobe because he's succesful, or because he gets paid millions of dollars to jump and through a ball in a hoop

and everyone saying how great all the players behind jordan where when they won, kerr paxon, horace, jordan made them good, thats what was the most amazing thing about him, he could take an average player and make him look like a star, not like kobe who feeds of shaqs scraps,
i want to see kobe on another team, i personally think jackson and shaq don't really care for him and won't mind seeing him go

 

[breakit23]

holden j caufield you said "Jordan alas was just a ball hog at that time" yet in his rookie season he took less shots then kobe and averaged about the same. 19 shots thats alot of ball hogging!

Jordan at age 22:
Rookie of the year.
STARTED on Eastern All Star team.
MJ Rookie Averages:
Games: 82
FGA 1625
FGM 837
PPG 28
RPG 6.5
APG 2.9
Stl 2.4
FG% 51
FT% 84.5
Blk 69
Shots per game19

Kobe this year:
Games: 68
FGA 1510
FGM 701
PPG 28
RPG 5.9
APG 5.0
Stl 1.6
FT% 85
Blk 43
FG% 46
Shots per game: 22

 

[GasX]

<< Mwilding

you posting in another basketball thread? i'd go hide under a rock after that comment you posted about FG % and being fouled. shows you know absolutely nothing about basketball. please refrain from posting in any other basketball related threads. >>



Gosh, I bow to your encyclopedic knowledge of basketball. Your insightful analysis of the game has me on the edge of my seat begging for more. :disgust:

I assume by your sig that you are a dentist. Why don't you go kill yourself already.

 

[ManSnake]

Grant better than Rodman? Yea, in your dream pal! Have you seen Rodman play? Is 20 rebound/game more valuable or 10pts/game more valuable?
Pippen by a thin margin over Fox? Pippen is one of the 50 greatest basketball player in the world, Pippen in his prime is ten thousand times better than Fox!

You are obvious too biased to judge! But I do think Jordan in his prime is far better than Kobe now, but who knows what could happen 5 years down the road?

 

[bjc112]

Jordan->Kobe->then iverson..

iverson sucks..

he shoots 8 for like 38.. and he's a ball hog.. he's a joke!

 

[breakit23]

Iverson still has alot of time to work on his jumper I have a feeling that he will ber even a bigger menace after a couple years. Right now has alot of bad games but he also has that injury we'll see what happens in the future.

 

[SuperCyrix]

ManSnake, I am not too bias to judge.

Give credit where it is due. Fox completely locked out whats his name the red hot shooter in Seattle. He is an outstanding defender. He can rebound pretty good, and scores much better than Pippen.

Horace Grant completely locked out Wallace and Christ Webber. He also controlled Duncan. I don't think rodman can do any better. True maybe with Rodman you'll get more rebound, but the Lakers are better off without him. Bottom line, if there Lakers were a better team with Rodman, they wouldn't have booted him off after 1/3 of the season. That's the fact.

 

[GameQuoter]

Kobe Bryant is an awesome player and has damn good chance of &quot;being the next Jordan.&quot; And we'll find out what he's truly made of when either he or Shaq leave the Lakers in the next few years. Check out this article on the future of the Lakers. The writer makes some pretty good points about Bryant and O'neal not wanting to play second fiddle to each other. Also, how Phil Jackson can't keep them from each other's throats for much longer and he'll probably quit coaching soon anyways. Bryant is also due for a new contract and with the way he's playing he'll have the &quot;Arod&quot; contract of basketball. Enough of my rambling just check out the article.

 

[Hoeboy]

<<Why? Because I expressed my opinion? When did that become a crime and a cause for insult?>>

there's a difference between expressing an opinion and expressing an opinion out of hate. you obviously hate kobe.

<<And stupidhoe, stupid whore, or whatever you call yourself. You need to learn how to read. When did I attack Kobe's character? I said I ain't going to cheer for him because he doesn't represent me. Go ahead you little punk, show me where I insulted Kobe. >>

<< I'm just bitter. I'm bitter because I worked my butt off during college. I'm bitter because I live in LA and they get some kid out of high school, pays him millions of dollar, and tell me that he represents LA. Right...like I'll spend another cent to buy another Lakers ticket to further fuel a 22 year old high school kids field trip to Italy. >>

let me translate.

&quot;I am a pissed off whiney bitch. I'm pissed because I had to slave my ass off during college since I wasn't born with any atheletic talents. I'm a pissed off whiney bitch because some &quot;kid&quot; out of high school gets paid a million times more than i will ever get paid. Like I am going to buy LA tickets again, even though I am a true Laker fan at heart and in denial, to fuel some chump's vacation.&quot;

calling kobe a &quot;high school kid&quot; ain't attacking his character? in my opinion that is in a way as saying he's just some chump off the street who got lucky.

 

[Mark]

1)We all know Wallace's game is affected by his anger, and the Blazers didn't give him any help. He had his way with Horace in the regular season when the Blazers were actually playing ball.

2)Chris Webber hasn't been the same ever since he came back from his foot injry a few months ago

3)Tim Duncan threw up his usual numbers against the Lakers.




Your making it sound like Horace is defensive player of the year. His defense is inconsistent. One day he will play a good night against Duncan, the next night he'll get burned by a smaller Antwan Jamison for 51 points. His defense is slightly better than it was in the past, but I would take a man who gets 15 points/11 rebounds rather than 8 points/7 rebounds a game anyday of the week. As far as rebounding goes, his numbers get lower and lower in pretty much all stat category's as the years go by. Last time he averaged 10 boards a game was when he was in his prime in Chicago and he played Power Forward there. He played Center in Seattle last year and couldn't get 10 boards a game, proving he can't get rebounds period, not because Shaq is there. Both Tim and David get 10+ rebounds a game.

 

[misterfantastic]

the league was different when jordan came in. jordan competed againt bird and magic and isaiah and kareem. he competed against dynasties. kobe still has a lot to prove.

 

[bigd480]

<< Piipen isn't worth a sh!t. If it wasn't for Jordan, he wouldn't have the numbers he does. Pippen is the most overrated player in any sport I have ever heard. >>

I just wanted to second that

 

[bigd480]

Also, why do ppl compare Jordan at 22 vs Kobe at 22? College and NBA are totally diff... Compare them with 3 years of experience each and they're a lot more similar...

BTW, imagine if AI was 6'7&quot; and KB was 6'0&quot; - who'd be doing what then?

 

[Enkrates]

It's funny how only the people in LA that say Kobe is better. Please people, don't laugh at how pathetic they are, it's the smog that make them delusional.

 

[Enkrates]

<< BTW, imagine if AI was 6'7&quot; and KB was 6'0&quot; - who'd be doing what then? >>



Kobe wouldn't even be in the NBA if he's 6'0&quot; .

 

[1200monkey]

The Lakers are the most arrogant team ever assembled. When millions of books and videos are made of Kobe Bryant, then we'll talk... Jordan's God. When anyone plays against Jordan, you need to follow &quot;The Jordan Rules&quot;. For anyone who's unfamiliar with that, go to a bookstore and look it up.

I'm also going to have to disagree with several of the replies here:

1. Supercyrix: Jordan in his early years was not coached by Phil Jackson, he was coached by Doug Collins.

2. Mark: The game has change tremendously offensively... but, since when does offense win anything? Goes to show how much you've played the game.

3. Jordan was in the All-Star team his rookie year and averaged 28.2 PPG... Kobe's rookie year (straight from a HS Pennsylvania) he average 8. Plus, Jordan has 10 scoring titles... Kobe 0.

4. Kobe line drives his jumpers, it'll hurt him as he gets older, just like Vince Carters inability to use his knees during free-throws.

5. Finally, don't EVER, EVER, EVER compare Kobe with god.

 

[chewie1]

Dude...the lakers didn't play seattle. It was Sacramento and the man was Peja Stojakovic (sp) ... You have just established that you don't know jack about basketball...I don't see why you even argue...let me guess, a whiny spurs fan?

Armstrong vs Fisher is about even I would say. Armstrong was undersized as well, but not as strong as fisher...but he could nail the 3...he led the league if I recall correctly. Pippen is so much better than fox all around. You're delusional. Additionally, Grant didn't shut webber down...webber got his during the series.

Webber's #s:
26.2 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 3.8 apg ....wow..grant really shut him down.

Wallace
16.7 ppg, 8.0 rpg ... he contained wallace...didnt' exactly shut him down.

additionally...
While fox did pester Peja into shooting 39%, he still got his 20 ppg. He only shot 41.5% against the suns anyhow..

Duncan:
23.0 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 4.2 apg, 4.25 blks ... shut down?

Young Grant was much better than old Grant.

 

[chewie1]

Oh yeah, let's take a look at Fox's numbers during his celtics years.

96-97: 15.4 ppg, 3.8 apg, 5.2 rpg. Now, pippen only &quot;edges&quot; him? Horsesh!t.

Pippen's numbers for 96-97: 19.1 ppg, 5.8 apg, 5.2 rpg. This wasn't even his best season.

And just for the hell of it, since you dissed BJ, his numbers in 92-93, arguably his best season:
2.1 rpg, 3.9 apg, 14.8 ppg, 47.6% FG, 44.4% 3PT

 

[limsandy]

KOBE can kiss my ass.
Go, Jordan...... Oh well, he's retired.

 

[tkim]

kobe came to the NBA from HS..mj didnt. what's fair???...comparing at their age level or their years in the NBA...i think age level, how? mj was not IN the NBA at 22....kobe is. simple as that. you may say that doesn't mean anything....but how many players can come into a pro league after high school (18yrs old) and get progressively better every year?? can you imagine the pressure on him? everyone thinks..&quot;...little punk thinks he's da sh!t...&quot;

eventhough, he has proven that he can hang. better than mj...not yet, an awesome player...yes, many seasons to go to imporve his game..yes, will he be better than mj or all the other greats of the NBA...no one knows. we will have to wait and see.


all i know is many years down the line when we are all SUPER DUPER PLATINUM MEMBERS, many people will be eating there words...

 

[chewie1]

Oh, and who the fvck is Willington?

&quot;Center. Willington vs Shaq. Shaq will eat him this guy even more than Longly.&quot;

I'm thinking you mean Wennington, teh aussie. But he was around during the later championships. Shaq would dominate Bill Cartwright and Will Perdue nonetheless.

 

[aa_koch]

Sorry to &quot;crap&quot; you thread, but when I read the subject title, I thought this thread was about Jordan (UK model... dunno if she is also a p*rn &quot;star&quot and Kobe Tai (definitely a p*rn &quot;star,&quot; from what I remember seeing... ).

Oh my, I think I'm officially a pervert now.

Either way, my vote goes to Michael Jordan. We don't get to watch a lot of NBA Basketball here in the Netherlands, so I am not an expert. But from watching earlier seasons and this year's play-offs (that seem to garner enough interest to warrant a 30-minute special each day), I can tell that Kobe ain't never gonna be on the same level as some of the all-time greats, including Michael Jordan. There is no &quot;God&quot; in sports, but if there was one in basketball, I would believe in Michael.

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I support the Spurs (and the Celtics), by the way... but the fact that the Lakers embarrassed my team this year doesn't mean that my opinion is biased.

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[breakit23]

<< mj was not IN the NBA at 22....kobe is. simple as that. >>




Uh hello have you been paying attention at all Micheal was a rookie at 22.....

 

[josphstalinator]

iverson sucks..

he shoots 8 for like 38.. and he's a ball hog.. he's a joke!

amen to that! after the lakers make him look like a chump you can bet all the iverson ball lickers will say its cause he isnt 100%, the excuses never stop...

 

[josphstalinator]

And this is just one season. Pretty impressive numbers considering this was the year Michael wasn't around. His numbers actually rose when Michael retired and dropped when he came out of retirement. So much for the whole &quot;if Shaq wasn't there Kobe would suck argument&quot;. Not to mention 8 time all defensive team. Overrated? Don't think so. Michael would be the first to tell you if it wasn't for Scottie, he wouldn't have any championships.

so true. but you need to realize that the idiots that think kobe's numbers would decrease dont know the slightest thing about basketball. mwilding doesnt even know the basic rules, he thought that when a player is fouled the miss shot counts in the stat book. sigh.... why do people try to act like they know about a subject when its so obvious they dont?

as ive pointed out before you can look at iverson to disprove the &quot;if Shaq wasn't there Kobe would suck&quot; argument. iverson averaged 22pts on 41% w/ stackhouse on his team, and since stackhouse has left hes averaging 30pts on 42%. stackhouse is averaging something like 27pts since he left iverson as well (he averaged ~20 when he played w/ iverson).

people also need to realize that the game has changed since the 80's. teams dont average 100-110pts/game. averaging 30pts/game now is much more impressive than 30pts/game in the 80's.